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xradiographerPerson was signed in when posted
02:26 PM ET (US)
the re-opened BB thread is now closed (and trolling posts deleted). RIP.
psyorkPerson was signed in when posted
12:39 AM ET (US)
Yep, two years and I still miss it. It's just not natural to post on another website. But it doesn't seem to have affected Boing traffic at all. Probably better for the bloggers' blood pressure too.
xradiographerPerson was signed in when posted
12:57 PM ET (US)
why bother, craniac--you'd lose out on the company of all us other losers!
craniacPerson was signed in when posted
05:36 PM ET (US)
Man, it's been almost two years since this happened. I need to get a life.
MCPerson was signed in when posted
10:23 AM ET (US)
BoingBoing is a labor of love that has also become a large public text. No wonder Cory gets pissed when people send him cranky email. You or I would as well.

If it were a corporation, the shareholders would have brought in beancounters at this point to "run things professionally" at which point it would cease to be boingboing.

One of the paradoxes of stuff that grows.
Privacy-loverPerson was signed in when posted
10:26 PM ET (US)
Hey, quit demeaning the good name of cattle!
MooCowPerson was signed in when posted
07:53 PM ET (US)
Ok all you dumbfukking boink-boink readers:
I, queen MooCow, ONLY flamed on whiney Cory
for changing posting w/o notifying readers.

That's it. Someone else spoofed him.

This is *the most popular* topic Cory
HAS EVER HAD. Cory: bend over so i can
do you, you've milked this cow good.
Where the fuck is my GbH shot?

You've karma-whored enough, where
the hell is my MooCow iron-on by
Queen MooCow,

p.s. - my prions sponge your pink matter
Cory DoctorowPerson was signed in when posted
05:03 PM ET (US)
I still don't see what you mean about Hotmail -- I create a Hotmail account. I give it all bogus information, including bogus personal information. I have QuickTopic send a verification notice to that account, capture the URL and use it to generate my QT account. I promptly forget about that Hotmail account. This generates more spam to my real email address how?

It's kinda funny to talk about limiting spam, anyway. I've long abandoned that fight. I get 400+ pieces spam/day on a mail account I've had for years. I just filter/delete it. I don't even know how I'd indentify it if I got more spam as a result of signing up for some service or another.
denise czajaPerson was signed in when posted
04:31 PM ET (US)
i've been using quick topic for quite a while both as "denise czaja" and "centrs" but with the same email address for both names and i've never had a problem with it.
Privacy-loverPerson was signed in when posted
04:07 PM ET (US)
Cory, I know you're not stopping BoingBoing. Long may you wave.

A couple of info points on the other stuff. Setting up a Hotmail account does, unfortunately, open you up to spam. Some spammers have found ways in to harvest email addresses from the Hotmail lists. It doesn't matter whether you look at the account or not. Also, I don't have a Hotmail account, but I get more spam right after I send something TO someone with a Hotmail account. I think this came up on the Risks Digest.

Excuse me for speaking in shorthand when I said "I genuinely don't expect any problem from Cory." I know you're not the administrator. But sign-ins still depend on the admin's goodwill. For the record, I don't expect much of a problem from QuickTopic either, for a number of reasons, some of which are technical.
Reid EllisPerson was signed in when posted
02:07 PM ET (US)
Any chance of ditching Blogger and going to LiveJournal instead? It has built-in discussions and can log IP's of anon posters.

Ya, okay, I'm a LiveJournal pimp. And hey, you don't have to use, you can use Bryan's instead. :-)
chico haasPerson was signed in when posted
12:29 PM ET (US)
I'm not moo@cow. I'm an asshole, but I'm not that asshole. To me, the cow's a provocateur who took something of value from Cory - his name - and he threatened Cory's domain. Cory reacted with anger. It's understandable and justifiable. As a result, Cory has inaugurated some heightened security to protect himself and his property. Without any irony, I think it's cool and revealing. Fuck ideology, politics, Dub and Ash - it's human nature to protect what's valuable to you. Screen me, baby. I still want to board your blog.
Cory DoctorowPerson was signed in when posted
11:14 AM ET (US)
First of all, I'm not stopping Boing Boing -- I just said that goofy anonymous flames make me want to.

Second, creating a throwaway Hotmail account for the express purpose of receiving *one* confirmation email from QuickTopic doesn't expose you to spam, since you only have to look at the account once after creating it.

Third, wrt "It assumes goodwill on the part of the administrator:" I'm not the administrator, QuickTopic is. QuickTopic's privacy policy says that I can't get your email address, which means that I can't discover who you are.
Mark A HebertPerson was signed in when posted
09:58 AM ET (US)
MC, you make me feel like I'm witnessing the birth of a virtual universe..."the sum assess of the world's woes"
I feel like I should wave, so everyone else who is watching can see me, and know that I'm friendly. Well, mostly harmless, that is.
MCPerson was signed in when posted
09:29 AM ET (US)
These stages may or may not apply to the BoingBoing discussion area:

The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists
Kat Nagel -

Every list seems to go through the same cycle:
1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).

6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).


6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).
Privacy-loverPerson was signed in when posted
03:40 AM ET (US)
Oh, man oh man. There are so many things wrong with this discussion. I've posted here before under another name but for obvious reasons I've ditched that name now.

Mostly I don't blame Cory, because if this was his only tool to keep dipshit identity thieves off his own blog, then that's what he's gotta do. That's where my agreement ends, though. I was going to blow off the Discuss section entirely once the sign-in requirement started, but I've read so much codswallop on this topic that I had to set something up. It's not perfect, but it'll do for now.

First... Cory, what in the world are you doing referring people to Hotmail, for heaven's sake? You _want_ them to get spammed several times a day? Hotmail is honeycombed with security problems. I have a one-to-one correspondence with getting more spam every time I even respond to anyone at a Hotmail address. Jeez louise. Yes, it _is_ trivially easy to get a Hotmail account, and there's a reason.

For the people who think anonymity means cowardice: you've never been stalked. It's not a small thing. I've only been mildly stalked -- hell, I'd call it tracked more than stalked -- but one friend of mine was actively harassed. There are some things for which I use an email address I don't care that people know, but the world of Internet comment isn't one of those things.

Also "requiring sign-in reduces an unecessary form of harassment" works on one side only. It assumes goodwill on the part of the administrator. I genuinely don't expect a problem from Cory. However, on at least one bulletin board I used to frequent the new administrator responded to people requesting anonymity by fingering them and then reading back their information to them and saying "I know who you aaare." (Yes, this happened to me.)

To Michael Slavitch - Yes, it's people like you who make people like me set up several layers of insulation between myself and you. Thank heavens for forwarding. To Denise Czaja - Signing in doesn't mean "good form" any more than putting a napkin on your lap means good manners. It's not necessary to have an identifiable name to be a decent poster. To Parallax - Yeah, your posts show me just how worthwhile non-anonymous posts are. Golly, everyone who wants privacy must be guilty, guilty, guilty.

To JRC and Heath Row - I still own my own words even if I'm anonymous. Those are two entirely separate things. I stand behind what I say. It's just not your business who I am. Oh, and to SixDifferentWays, what, you don't disable cookies?

In short, I don't support anyone screwing around with Cory's good name, but to the rest of you, please don't pretend that requiring sign-ins contributes to Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
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