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Thurmond's stump-speech video-clip

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chico haasPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2002
06:57 PM ET (US)
I do agree with you, Rich, real power in this country is consolidated under one color. I say that color is green.

Were the real power in this country controlled by white men, with the expressed intent of excluding other races, Lott would never feel compelled to make his rueful remark. It's the very loss of that bygone era he was bemoaning.

I'd bet my signed Lester Maddox axe handle on that.
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Rich GibsonPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2002
03:46 PM ET (US)
Hey Chico,

I am not one of those folks who claim that 'black people can't be rascists' but I would offer that 'Stupid White Men' is a cool title because 1. whoever is in power is fair game and 2. most of the institutions in our country (and almost all of those with real power) are run by white men.

I really liked Charles Krauthammer's column 'Lott Must Relinquish leadership role.'

Check out this quote:
'Martin Luther King succeeded in taking a liberation movement that could easily have turned irredeemably divisive and deeply anti-American - note the bitter endemic conflicts engendered by other liberation movements around the world - and dedicated it instead to a reaffirmation of American principles. The point is not just what King and his followers did for African-Americans, but what they did-by validating America's original promise of freedom and legal equality-for the rest of America.'

It is a wonderful editorial, and it altered my views on the Republican party, a bit.

It is clear that there are horrible racist elements in the GOP, and that 'mainstream' republicans do pander to those elements (speaking at Bob Jones University, as an example), but this fringe element is not what defines the Republican party.
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chico haasPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2002
01:20 PM ET (US)
Perfect.
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quinn nortonPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2002
12:24 AM ET (US)
"AND, how come "Stupid White Men" is a cool title but not "Stupid Black Men"? Why is Black Pride honorable and White Pride execrable? Aw, I know the answer, I'm just in a feisty mood."

this kind of sentiment always reminds me of a political cartoon i saw a few years back that made me laugh frickin hard. a man and woman having dinner and the man is say (roughy) "a political party for women? only women? that's rediculous! what if i told you i was starting a political party only for men? what would you say to that?"

"another one?"
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chico haasPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
06:32 PM ET (US)
Bigotry is not just a racial term. The Civil Rights movement hijacked it, for good reason, but it's more broadly applicable. Probably any blanket hatred of a group, say, corporations, Hollywood, the music industry, Republicans, anybody named Clinton, is bigotry. I'm a bigot about lots of stuff. Long live bigotry in all its stupid glory!

AND, how come "Stupid White Men" is a cool title but not "Stupid Black Men"? Why is Black Pride honorable and White Pride execrable? Aw, I know the answer, I'm just in a feisty mood.
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Eli the BeardedPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
05:54 PM ET (US)
To play devil's advocate, Lott quite possibly didn't know
their views and uses that line regularly with whatever crowd
he is addressing. He is a politician after all.
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Stefan JonesPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
04:10 PM ET (US)
If Lott "didn't know" their views, he's as dumb as a bag of hammers and shouldn't be trusted.

If he did know, he's not only a arrogant bigot, he's a lying arrogant bigot.

Know that we know about Lott, let's move on . . . and dig up the dirt about OTHER pol's connections with the COCC and White Citizens Councils. Drag them into the sunlight and let them babble themselves out of office.
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Eli the BeardedPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
02:40 PM ET (US)
A quote from another discussion of Lott's foot in mouth
desease:


Well, in 1992 he spoke at the Council of Conservative
Citizen's annual meeting and told them "The people in this
room stand for the right principles and the right
philosophy." He continued to associate with them throughout
the '90s, although he now claims (despite what he said to
them at their meeting) that he didn't know what their views
were. I believe that more information is better than less
information, so I took a look at their website and I think
you should, too: http://www.cofcc.org/


It is an eye-opening website.
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Rich GibsonPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
01:49 PM ET (US)
The issue is not how bad Thurmond is now, since it appears from most accounts that he has 'redeemed' himself from the racist views of his past. The issue is that it certainly appears that Trent Lott continues to support the views of Thurmond from then.

Really disgusting stuff. And it sort of brings home the dangers of political code speech.
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Stefan JonesPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
12:48 PM ET (US)
Darn shame that the ugly facts about the congressional southern bigot faction didn't come out BEFORE the election.
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oogPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
09:16 AM ET (US)
wait. awkward phrasing of the speech kept me from getting that strom is offering a challenge to the army, rather than proposing a way to force integration. my bad. ignorance and naivete averted.
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oogPerson was signed in when posted
12-12-2002
09:15 AM ET (US)
so, at the risk of sounding naive, or ignorant, or whatever, what exactly is the problem here? based on the transcript of the speech included by the daily show (i watched it last night), it seems that strom is pro-integration. obviously his ideas for how to integrate the southern public are quite archaic, and he does say nigger (which, i imagine, was said a lot more often in 1948 than 2002, for better or worse), this is hardly hitleresque in its "evil rhetoric." am i missing something? it just seems to me like this all doesn't really matter a whole lot.

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