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Gbloogle: what it all (may) mean

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jonlPerson was signed in when posted
02-19-2003
05:55 PM ET (US)
It's all about whuffie anyway, right?
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sailcat sevenPerson was signed in when posted
02-19-2003
01:33 PM ET (US)
Can someone please explain to me how Goggle buying Pyra changes anything? All I've seen for the most part is a lot of self congratulatory hype from the same webloggers who always get excited anytime weblogs get mainstream media attention.

What worries me if us non Blogger users get delisted in favor of Blogger sites. Google usually does the right thing, so I'm crossing my fingers that this won't come to pass.

No, I don't ever expect to make any money off of weblogging. I've been doing it for three years and I'm cool with just expressing myself.
Edited 02-19-2003 01:34 PM
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Frank RuscicaPerson was signed in when posted
02-19-2003
01:24 PM ET (US)
Google + Blogger = Go_Ogle, the Mother of All Online Dating Sites

Here's how I think it will happen:

First, Google will improve the searchability of the "blogosphere" by making it easy for bloggers to append a file containing information about themselves and their blogger friends. This information will be encoded in an RDF dialect called FOAF (Friend of a Friend).

Soon after, it will start to dawn on people that the FOAF file is effectively a static online profile, while the associated blog is akin to a living profile (in the 'living document' sense).

One tipping (i.e. inflection) point later, usage of Google by date seekers will grow to an such extent that our (grand)children will read about it in their history texts. Online dating is at 26M users and growing, after all.

Google will then acquire the best RDF query toolmakers and launch Go_Ogle, the mother of all online dating sites.

Once Go_Ogle is in place, the possibilities are absolutely mind-googling :^)

More on this, including a pointer to foundational code for GPLed Go_Ogle, at www.opportunityservices.com.

Thoughts?

Enjoy,

Frank Ruscica

Founder
The Opportunity Services Group :: Have Fun to Get Ready
www.opportunityservices.com
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Cory DoctorowPerson was signed in when posted
02-18-2003
09:13 AM ET (US)
Just a server outage. Carl said he'd take a look at it this morning.

You can filter BB for poster and for keywords: just subscribe to the RSS or the mailing-list and use a rule to discard anything that you don't want to see.
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CraniacPerson was signed in when posted
02-18-2003
09:02 AM ET (US)
It seems that boingboing is inaccessible. Perhaps some who feels especially vengeful has launched a DOS attack or something.

I am happy with BB. Is there a mechanism to filter the front page by poster? (not that I want to).
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jonlPerson was signed in when posted
02-18-2003
04:49 AM ET (US)
QuickTopic clearly rocks... to drift back on topic: perhaps Google will buy QT *next* week!
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David MercerPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
10:56 PM ET (US)
Wow, that guy is a first class nut job (the stalker listed below).

Kudos to Cory for having the guts to keep all of that up, sunshine IS the best medicine.

And yes, Cory's right about using the Subscribe feature of Quicktopic and filtering out anyone YOU consider a wacko rather than a devils advocate...that's what I think one of the neatest features of Quicktopic is, the fact that you can have what's effectively a mailing list without revealing the participants email addresses, and being able to filter too.

And no one is twisting anyone's arm making them read anything on the net...
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Cory DoctorowPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
05:27 PM ET (US)
"People harrass you with phone calls and lawsuits about what goes on in QuickTopic???"

They do indeed. In particular, one person actually harrassed not only me, but Steve Yost, who runs QuickTopic out of pocket, until Steve killed the QuickTopic in order to stave off what he saw as a genuine threat of a lawsuit.

I preserved the deleted QuickTopic on a Yahoo! group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diaryofastalking/

and faced further harrassment, including phone calls at all hours, etc.

I have never deleted a post from any of the BB quicktopics (other than my own) and I never, ever will. I have never deleted a userid (I don't have this capability, but I could, by switching conferenceing systems, and I wouldn't).

I have told people that they are unwelcome, but never threatened to sue them should they decline to accept my invitation to the world. I have never contacted QT posters out-of-band to harrass them.

BB's trolls have, at various times, invaded my and Mark's privacy, harrassed me by phone and email, threatened me with legal action, and personally insulted me (and Mark's family) with the vilest language imaginable.

One troll even suggested that I should be deported from the country.

I have never retaliated beyond telling these people what I think of them and inviting them to get bent. It's a shame that some people can't (or won't) distinguish that from censorship, but there you have it.
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erniePerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
05:18 PM ET (US)
Cory said: "In fact, in past, I've gone to incredible lengths, including dealing with threats of lawsuits and continuous harrassment by phone and email, to keep these boards open for anyone."

Really? People harrass you with phone calls and lawsuits about what goes on in QuickTopic??? That would be hardcore.

FWIW-IMO: On the Cypherpunks thing - I'll admit on many threads here it was nice to have an INFORMED devil's advocate around, but after a while the whole negative Nelly, crap-on-everything routine does get old. Ideally the main Cyperpunks user should stick around - but pick a damn name and contribute instead of bitch all the time.
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Mark FrauenfelderPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
04:02 PM ET (US)
Anyway. I'm much more interested in what Cory wrote about here. Evan hinted that one of the first projects would be some kind of "blog search." That certainly seems to make sense. I can't wait to see what happens. As much as I like blogdex and technorati, I still don't really understand them. I suspect Google will make something great, like they always do.
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Mark FrauenfelderPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
03:58 PM ET (US)
I don't mind if people disagree with me, as many people have in Boing Boing. Bring on the debate! Maybe I'll learn something. But I don't think Cypherpunk was here to discuss the posts. Cypherpunk was here to bug Cory. So I'm glad Cypherpunk took Cory up on his offer to leave.
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jleaderPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
03:42 PM ET (US)
I've been trying to describe my thoughts about the whole CP brouhaha, and can't come up with anything coherent, and for once I'll let that stop me...

To get completely off topic, though, I have to say that I find something wonderfully quasi-onomatopoetic about Cory's "eschew necessary dental procedures" in /m2. It makes "eschew" sound like something you do with food when your teeth aren't quite right.
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Cory DoctorowPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
03:38 PM ET (US)
Puh-leeze. An anti-social troll made his traditional attack on me and on BB here, and said what we did wasn't interesting to him. I invited him to take his reading elsewhere if he doesn't like what I have to say, and he *volunteered* to get lost, subject to some silly game where everyone had to come by and say, "I divorce thee" three times.

I *have* learned something, which is that I should stick to my new year's resolution of not feeding the trolls. But I really wanted to hear what people had to say about the Gbloogle event, and not watch yet another promising discussion get derailed by this axe-grinding yahoo's horseshit (let me say this again: the reason I do BB and put up QuickTopics is because it helps me understand my subjects better: the unlamented prick who had abused my hospitality and goodwill so many times appeared bent on ensuring that no productive discussion ever ensued from any of those posts).

If I have a regret, it's that yet *another* promising discussion has been derailed by the antisocial ranting of cypherpunk.

If you don't like what I post, don't read it. If you don't like what Xeni posts, don't read it. If you don't like what Mark posts, don't read it. If you don't like what any of us post, find another blog to read.

We have multiple, effective mechanisms that allow our readers to filter which subjects and authors from BB they read. Griping about the choices that we make when we post -- and, worst of all, disrupting these message boards -- is just vandalism.

Note that I have not *told* anyone to shut up or to leave, I've *asked*. I have neither the will nor the capacity to prevent someone posting to these message boards. In fact, in past, I've gone to incredible lengths, including dealing with threats of lawsuits and continuous harrassment by phone and email, to keep these boards open for anyone.

But the answer to bad speech is more speech. Cypherpunk has no right to expect that his meanspirited, personal attacks will generate anything better in return. (The worst part of this all is that I can imagine her/him sitting around, breather heavily and going hur-hur-hur in delight at all the attention s/he's managed to generate for her/himself this time).

Mark and Xeni and I communicate regularily, behind the scenes, about the trolls on these boards. We all revile them and wish they'd crawl back under their rocks, rest assured.
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ahaPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
03:14 PM ET (US)
>Hey, that's the best damned news I've had all day. I've just emailed the rest of the gang to ask them to come by and confirm that you're not welcome here. One fewer rule for my killfile, w00t!<

Cory, it might have been more appropriate to >ask< the rest of the gang to give their opinion, rather than ask them to confirm yours. I notice Mark hasn’t piled on. This kind of thing happens a lot in my son’s grade six class, and in Washington, when the UN and NATO don’t confirm their position. O’Reilly also comes to mind. You have suppressed my freedom to evaluate cypherpunk’s posts here. Count me out until cypherpunk is back. He’ll have learned from this, and you might, also.
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Tom CrossPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
12:09 PM ET (US)
MemeStreams is a project that I've been working on for over a year which provides alot of the capability people want from a blogger google alliance right now.

People on MemeStreams blog into topics. The site can show you the most popular links for different timeframes in different topics. Of course, popular is not the same as useful in most cases, so...

Memestreams has a reputation system, which is a complex thing to explain, but in reality is very similar to the sort of concepts described in Cory's recent novel. It shows you recent recommendations from people that YOU respect, as opposed to what the site as a whole thinks is important.

Memestreams organizes blog threads. People often respond, in their weblogs, to other weblogs. Memestreams organizes all of this disscussion into threads, so that its all in one place. Its all tied to the URL originally referenced, so every page on the internet is augmented with a discussion. There isn't enough traffic right now to warrent filtering these discussions, but ultimately the reputation system will come into play here as well. Read any page on the web and in one click get highly rated commentary about that page.

Memestreams has a search engine. You can rank results based on the reputation system. You can also create groups of people with particular interests or views, and search them to see which results they think are the most relevant.

I'm not google. There are only a few hundred people using this site right now, but I beleive that as it grows it will be a powerful way to turn weblogs into knowledge.

I have a code release that will be out in 24/48 hours with a complete UI makeover and an interactive map of the reputation system that lets you "surf" the links between people on the site. I'm sure a lot of you are quite married to blog software that you are currently running. I will hopefully have XMLRPC integration with most blogging software in the code within a couple of months.
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davegroffPerson was signed in when posted
02-17-2003
12:06 PM ET (US)
Who cares about cypherpuck?

Getting back to the topic: The Booger thing (thanks Joey) is the first peice of news to truely blow my mind in several years. So far, no one has adequately described what it means - and I can't either. Every effort I've read has digressed into neo-hippie ramblings, and I mean that in the nicest way. To me, its an early sign that the ice finally melting, and the real fun about to start again.

Incestuous? Relevant only to blogger insiders? No, this is industry-changing; it will affect all of us. Thanks BB!
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