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09:44 PM ET (US)
/m2335 you are an fing idiot.
crawl back into your hole because you know NOTHING.

there was NOTHING in that post to say to stop posting you made that up
Mr. Dalrymple
08:08 PM ET (US)
/m2332 Shut the hell up. As you hide behind a moniker, and attempt to restrict his right to free speech, who the hell are you to make demands? How do you know he hasn't already made this clear to his immediate chain of command, and perhaps it was basically ignored. People have a right in America, to speak freely. All he asked for is a recurring extra pickup, or, a bigger dumpster to avoid a garbage backup. I've seen other posts on here, where you tell people they should not post, who do you think you are???? /m2161 ............ /m2162
Edited 12-30-2019 01:17 PM
08:20 PM ET (US)
/m2333 have you filled any 1767"s?
Steven D. Karaguleff
07:03 PM ET (US)

This picture is from this afternoon. It was emptied Wednesday morning. We usually get 5-6 bags two times per week trucked in from another custodial route.
Edited 12-05-2019 07:27 PM
10:13 PM ET (US)
/m2330 are you in management???


management has the right to be stupid.

if you are not unsafe find real battles to fight.
02:13 PM ET (US)
As our union President use to tell us be happy you have work !
Steven D. Karaguleff
08:15 PM ET (US)

Due to their policy of turning the "plastics recycling bins" (which I emptied weekly when used for plastic only) into garbage cans, it now takes significantly longer each day to empty the trash cans, due to now having more trash cans to empty, and, therefore more trash, because we are throwing out plastic now, and now more trips out to the dumpster are required. The dumpster typically overflows now, due to the increased volume of garbage. This is a request for a RECURRING extra pickup OR a larger dumpster, at least until the holidays are over.
Edited 12-09-2019 11:17 PM
Deleted by author 12-02-2019 07:58 PM
Elaine Dunlap
07:57 AM ET (US)
I must not have been clear. PTR's cannot work additional hours due to the reasons stated below. It's not a matter of denying them the work opportunities, it's part of their job classification.

Raymer's goal was to have proper staffing packages and people to fill the positions. The monetary remedy was to get the service moving in that direction.

Yes, I am a staffing advocate. However, locally, I am the editor and chief steward in Rochester. I have been trying to answer your questions, not fuel your anger.

You have a chief steward, an Officer assigned to your installation, a MCD and the local president.

You seem like you've read the contract and at least some of the custodial staffing documents. I believe that you posted that you were previously a union president. Why not be part of the solution?
Edited 09-25-2019 08:03 AM
Steven D. Karaguleff
09:22 PM ET (US)
Elaine, I did not say, nor did I imply, anything about changing anybody's schedule. It's obvious that they would show up everyday and do their job, in their facility, according to their schedule. If they were to pickup additional hours, it should be in addition to their assignment. But hey, it's not my job to get people more hours, and it's not my budget. I just believe that it's best if the budgeted hours are actually worked, rather than paying them out for nothing, I believe that was the parties intent too.

Elaine, you said "Being punched on the proper operation at all times is important. Writing time sheets or work orders for all work performed without a route sheet are some of the weapons to correct a bad staffing package."
I already have a stack of 4805's, when is somebody going to address them? We've been recycling for a good 15 years, when is that function going to be accounted for? You did say you are a National Staffing Advocate correct?

82% retired I too noticed that was missing.
Edited 10-25-2019 10:13 PM
82% Retired
05:30 PM ET (US)
"Emergencies are unforeseen or unanticipated circumstances." Add to that "not of a reoccurring nature." It it occurs often (under staffing) it cannot be a emergency.
Elaine Dunlap
01:52 PM ET (US)
Steven, PTR's have a set schedule. Their schedule can only be modified temporarily in an emergency situation.

Emergencies are unforeseen or unanticipated circumstances.

Overtime is due to the needs of service.

Overtime sometimes indicates a bad staffing package.

Associate Offices generally do not schedule according to the cleaning frequencies listed in their staffing package.

Custodial employees should have daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly....etc route sheets that reflect only the items listed in their installations staffing package. Almost no office outside of the plants have route sheets.

Being punched on the proper operation at all times is important. Writing time sheets or work orders for all work performed without a route sheet are some of the weapons to correct a bad staffing package.
07:44 AM ET (US)
You beg for answers/info and then get a thoughtful and detailed response.

But because it doesn't agree with your flawed thinking, you attack and dismiss the truth.

If you're not there yet, you will go to the dark side where the contract doesn't matter. You won't be missed.
Steven D. Karaguleff
09:36 PM ET (US)
Oh, back to the forced OT argument. On what grounds? A lack of proper staffing???? An emergency??

Also, are you telling me it would be a contractual violation to borrow a PTR custodian seeking more hours perhaps just to get 40 straight hours??
Edited 09-24-2019 12:28 AM
Elaine Dunlap
05:50 PM ET (US)
If the volunteer custodians are not part of the W'Ford Installation then they have their own OTDL and sections.
If there is no W'Ford custodian on the OTDL, then forced OT is the proper method.
One of many problems with allowing outside custodial volunteers to work outside of their installation is there is no correct method for choosing the volunteers. Volunteers start causing violations of OTDL rotations within their own installation. Then the 50+ offices (with custodians) in our District would have a valid argument that they should be the custodial volunteer.
This argument always goes back to the following cites: Article 8.5 OT will be scheduled among qualified employees doing similar work in the work location where the employees regularly work. 8.5.D. if the list doesn't provide sufficient qualified people, qualified FTR employees not on the list may be required to work. Article 38.2.B defines an installation. Article 38.7.C. an OTDL in the Maintenance Craft shall be established for each occupational group and level.

Asking for outside volunteers violates the contract. Additionally, we would be violating every custodial section OTDL outside of yours if a handful of volunteers were offered OT while some never get a rotational opportunity. Pandora's box.
I have spent a lot of time and energy trying to correct custodial staffing issues. The 2014 Line H agreement was a genius move by Steve Raymer our former National MCD. There is a written remedy for these staffing problems. It may seem like a long game, but if followed, it will correct the problem.
Steven D. Karaguleff
02:17 PM ET (US)
Not outside the maint. craft I'm saying ask for custodial volunteers. There is no otdl to cross in my facility. Well I guess there is a recent one due to a recent filling of a vacancy at our other facility. But I still don't see an otdl offense by borrowing volunteers.
Edited 09-23-2019 04:31 PM
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