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Sizist/sizeist and you

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Paul
03-14-2001
04:18 PM ET (US)
Okay, I understand. But I think it's a fine line between criticism and insult, perhaps a very very fine line, and "fat ass" certainly comes across as an insult. A criticism? Perhaps to someone uneducated, but I don't think you'd want to give THAT impression.
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Rob
03-14-2001
09:25 AM ET (US)
That's not what I was saying at all.

I was making a distinction between the picture in the article and real porn.

I'm well aware of the wide variety of porn out there; I was a teenager when alt.binaries.* was more than than a spam factory.

All I'm saying is when you put yourself on public display, you should expect people to be critical of you. When you put yourself on public display as, say, an actor, then there will be people who say you can't act. When you put yourself on public display as an author, there will be people who say you can't write, and when you put yourself on on public display as a piece of flesh, there will be people who say your flesh is worthless.

If I'm walking down the street and I see someone who I think has a fat ass (ie, a mirror) I'm not going to say "Hey, look at that fat ass! That's a fat ass, whoo!" even if I'm with a bunch of guy friends who are saying the same thing, because that's just plain mean.
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Paul
03-13-2001
05:40 PM ET (US)
I hate it when I delete unintentionally. :P

Rob, that's fine and good and you're entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like you're neglecting something really simple about porn: there is porn for every taste out there. And that includes people with (gasp) fat asses! Can you imagine? Porn! Fat asses! Together!

Just because it doesn't float your boat or my boat doesn't mean it sinks everyone else's. You're entitled to your opinion, but to call someone a fat ass and then separate people who have fat asses from "real porn" is rather sizist.
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Rob
03-13-2001
01:45 PM ET (US)
You know what? I have a fat ass. And a gut, and I was pretty brutally savaged growing up as a result of my weight and my inability to deal with said savaging.

Worrying about sizism is reasonably important, but I'm going to make fat ass jokes about someone who poses nude in a magazine who's supposed to be an example of porn, and I'm REALLY going to make fun of someone who gets paid for real porn but still has a fat ass, because if you're selling your body then critism about the product should be expected.
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Paul
03-13-2001
10:22 AM ET (US)
"Sizeist" is a stupid word? Please. Until you've actually been on the receiving end of remarks, comments, and other similar bibes about your size, do yourself a favor and do some research. I imagine that "racist" was once seen as a stupid word, too, you know... "sexist" too.

You might want to start at the NAAFA homepage - http://www.naafa.org/ - it's a great place to start. If you don't think sizism is a real thing, wake the hell up. Just calling it "discrimination against fat people" or even thin people, or saying that people should just shut up and lose weight IS a sizist attitude, and the only way to combat it is through education.

Either that, or everyone just shuts up, and we don't look at sizism as the serious issue that it is. You might think it's a stupid word, but I see sizism everyday. It's out there. What do you want to call it?

I swear, the ignorance just drives me insane.

Paul
Edited 03-13-2001 10:26 AM

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