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Stephen MolesPerson was signed in when posted
02:16 AM UK
My name is Steve Moles, I lived on Town Rd in the 60's.
I went to Eldon Rd School.
We moved to the USA in 1967.
I know Steve Sleap.
07:54 PM UK
Hi I was born in Edmonton in 1964. Both my parents and grandparents are Edmontonians to. My grandfather was Sydney Flory and was married to my grandmother Edith Saffell. They lived in Eldon Road in the early 1900s. My grandmother lived with her relations who had the Dairy in Bounces Road. If anyone has any information about them or the Dairy I would be very grateful if you would email me Lozzyb@hotmail.com. Also does anyone know the children from the flory family and does anyone know any information about a George Barnard known as Bill. I have only just found this site and it has been lovely reading about the old days before i was born. As i have said any info would be much appreiciated. Thanks. Loz.
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
08:11 PM UK
Ooops, I failed the intelligence test there. It didn't occur to me to use this old message board to say that the new one is very much in place on the site, or at http://www.quicktopic.com/17/H/wvHV7HBtyqae if you are so inclined. Nothing different about it, it is just that QuickTopic changed the way they did things without leaving back compatibility.

The site has been getting a little strange lately and now includes photos of just about every post box and bus stop in Edmonton ;-)
Ron Roe
08:00 PM UK
Hi Graham,

I thought it was only me that got confused and unable to know what to do next! What a relief to find that someone else is like me.

Tell me however, I'm not sure of your timing for the new event. Are we waiting for you to say OK subscribe again? Or do we just go ahead and do it?

Ron Roe in Lavenham, Suffolk, England.
Lavenham, probably the finest medieval town in the country

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Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
06:33 PM UK
Daft as it may seems, I lost the ability to administer this message board when they changed the way things work six months ago. So I shall shortly be creating a new one and anyone subscribing to e-mail updates will need to subscribe again.
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
12:45 AM UK
Test Message - Please excuse.
Ted Lefever
08:49 PM UK
So pleased to have found your site - by accident. I was trying to trace "Glimpses of Old Edmonton" (which has proved difficult to get up here in Huddersfield) and up popped "Lower Edmonton"!

Born in Ponders End, moved to Edmonton in 1935 (Shrubbery Road then Warwick Road, Bury Street finally Hazelbury Road before going to a council house in Waltham Cross in 1947.

Schools were Silver Street, Croyland Road (now closed), and Enfield Tech. College.

My Mum (now 97) went to Houndsfield Road School and my Dad to Croyland Road.

Will keep an eye on your site. Please accept my thanks for maintaining an interest in the old place!
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03:39 PM UK
You are quite right of course. I suspect I copied an incorrect caption for a photo before I knew a little more about the subject.

Barbot Street and Chauncey Street appeared towards the end of the 19th Century. They can be seen clearly on the 1897 OS Map and the present Barbot Close and Chauncey Close are in about the same place (I wont be more definite than that!).
Robert Joyce
01:06 PM UK
Have just read the page about the Barbot Estate. I think the original road was Barbot Street, I used to live in number 54. I may be wrong as I was five when we were moved out. Those terraced houses lasted almost twice as long as the tower blocks, which are now being replaced by terraced houses.

I can just remember the Green area before it was officially vandalised and my mum still prefers it
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
10:00 PM UK
I don't know about man-hole covers but I have a really nice photo of a storm drain cover. It was actually supposed to be Buckingham Palace but I was holding the camera over my head to take a photo from behind a wall and I forgot about the slight delay on my digital camera. So the photo was actually taken with the camera pointing a foot in front on my feet.

Demolition wise they have taken down two of the four tower blocks with the third due to start being dismantled in about September I think. They quote a week per floor but seem to be faster than that. I think the fourth one comes down before they take on the maisonettes.

There should be some demolition happening with the shopping centre next year as part of the revamp of it. Hopefully they are a little more sympathetic to the past now. I think they are taking down the redundant footbridge over The Green but I think they should keep it as a monument to planners folly and so in the future people can continue to wonder why it was ever built.
Ron Roe
07:54 PM UK
Hi Graham,

I started this the other evening and you have already sent another so some of this is behind the times - just like me!!

Your latest:

I can well appreciate being a curiosity when taking photographs of unlikely places. I've done it myself in Southwark Bankside before it was redeveloped. Now I look at tourists here in the village taking pictures of such ordinary everyday places. INCLUDING man-, sorry, person-hole covers!!

Sorry I don't remember the monkey-puzzle tree. As for house prices, well the ones you quote are quite reasonable to me. But they have gone mad, nevertheless.

How is the demolition work going on at the moment.
I hope that they have something more traditional in store for you. And, in a way, for me too.

Now back to my original msg:

I had a look at your page on Hertford Road and can add the odd comment. Such as, it has changed almost out of recognition! But how could it be otherwise with umpteen years between.

You mention the public Library in Houndsfield Road. This was a splendid modern building when I was young. The entrance was on the left of the building front. Upstairs to the library which was in light oak, bright and clean. The Reference Section to the right complete with national and local newspapers fixed with brass strips to, I think, semi upright reading boards. To the left, having passed through the gate by the librarian who checked books back in, the library proper. I was always mystified by "Eyeless in Gaza" by Aldous Huxley which sat on a high shelf near the fire exit. It was for adults so I couldn't take it out. What on earth could it be about, I wondered. I had to make do with "Orlando the Marmalade Cat".

I used the library from my very earliest years of reading, prompted by my mother. I knew then that I was going to be a librarian when I grew up. (I didn't become one!) The downstairs part of the building was used as the dining hall for Houndsfield Infant School during the war, not that I used it. I think a child's meal was 4d. (1-1/2p.?)

Your four pictures of the western side Clevedon Road to Bedford Road. No comment on nos. 1 and 2. No. 3 shows the post office which was there back in the dark ages. To its left was a hairdressers, boys haircuts were 6d. (2-1/2p). The problem was that boys tended to get overlooked when the men were around and the wait might get longer and longer especially on a Saturday. The corner shop to the right of the post office was a rather large cafe with a regular poster in the entrance advertising the latest films on at the Empire. OK, OK, the Granada if you wish to be modern. In picture No. 4 showing the larger more imposing buildings I can't recall what the corner shop was but perhaps it was an insurance office.
Certainly nothing of interest to me. The centre shop was the grocer's Price's (Page's?) and the right hand was either Shersby's the estate agent or a confectioners (Fortts?). In which case Shersby was a separate building to the right again.

On the other side of the road you have mentioned a private club that you call K.C.M. Looking at the blow-up photograph I am reminded of it. Why do I feel that its splendid maintenance is out of keeping with the properties around? It is a building that I had completely forgotten about. Clearly it is not new, looking at the chimney pots and the entrance but I did considered it fairly new in my day. It was unlikely to have been a pub but I do recall that it was a club even then in the 1940's. There was the local branch of a workingmen's club near Tramway Avenue and that could have been it. The club caretaker before the war was Mr.Wicks and his family might have lived-in so a look at the Electoral Roll for, say, 1938 might assist.

Your view of the shops between Causeyware and Tramway look interesting. Certainly the yellow end one was Carey's later Leatherbarrow's, Bob Bennett is now Richard Morris, then Eddie Fry's who was a newsagent and appears to be one still. What is also interesting are the shops between St. Alphege and Causeyware. I have already mentioned a couple including Mr. Johnson but those in the photograph were private houses in my day. I'm glad that you too consider roof lines. In fact it is always interesting to look above the shops to see what upstairs looks like. I don't feel that there was bomb damage on the southern end of the parade of shops. Might be wrong because of the 1941 bomb that I mentioned earlier. However the chimney stacks have gone, likewise the jutting rooms similar to those above Carey's. The "new?" houses behind the tyre shop on the corner of St. Alphege Road occupy the site of the United Dairies Depot.

"the bottom of Galliard" is OK with me. It wasn't an area with which I was too familiar but I do recall it as a quiet rather sleepy place with "quiet" but new shops. It looks pretty busy to me now and the buildings look much the same. I guess that you stood outside St. Alphege Church to take some of the pictures. I am in contact with someone who lived in Nightingale Road in the years I lived just up the road. I have mentioned your website to him but whether he wishes to add his thoughts I don't know.
Thanks for going to look and I'm sorry if I have bored everyone by, perhaps, labouring the points raised! I appreciate the opportunity to record my memories in this way. I hope that there will be some way of saving them for a future local historian. Perhaps there is one already?

Ron Roe
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
08:56 PM UK
Well I am 39 so it is all relative :-) I am certainly not fit so the walk did me good, though I wished I had some water with me as it was a smidgen warm yesterday.

The photos are all linked from the site. They are just 640x480 medium quality ones though the originals are actually 1280x960 high quality. They are a bit snatched as one does get some rather old fashioned looks when taking pictures of what seems to be nothing in particular.

There is even a photo of the monkey puzzle trees in the front garden of the house on the corner of Galliard and Hertford Road. I guess that could be after your time but I don't know how fast they grow. I can only remember there being one as a child but it was pretty mature even in the 60s.

Oh yes the lido at Houndsfield Road. A nice pool surrounded by grotty changing rooms that badly needed updating. Now the site of a residential home.

Southbury Lido bit the dust as well a few years back along with Enfield's football stadium. You'd be amazed at the area now. The biggest multiplex cinema in London (about 15 screens) and a brand new leisure centre.

Some of the new housing is private, including some fancy use of solar energy, and the rest is housing associations or something like that. They have built new dwellings on Plevna Road and are building these new ones on Montagu Road for those being displaced by the demolition of the tower blocks and maisonettes on the Barbot Estate, which of course only date back about thirty years.

I don't know about yuppies but there are lots of Fairview and Laing flats and houses springing up everywhere there is a free space. You'd be amazed where they find room to build them. So there are certainly a lot more homeowners around. Mind you with the prices the way they are something has to give. A house opposite me is a two bedroom end of terrace on the Latymer Road estate and was sold for about 150,000 earlier this year but this fell through and it is now on the marker again for about 175,000. That means the basic middle terrace houses are going to be about 150,000. It is crazy.

If there is an influx it is of asylum seekers and other immigrant groups. Other London councils nominally charged with housing them pay for them to rent property in Edmonton and Enfield and this leaves the council's infrastructure creaking at the seams. Last year it was reported that there are 600 children of asylum seekers in Enfield schools. That is twenty classes. That is one heck of a hit to take in just a few years.

Not only is the crossing still by Causeyware Road, but there is still a butchers there too :-)
Ron Roe
08:26 PM UK
Hello Graham,

Clearly you are young and fit. That was quite a walk and I envy you. Not for your health because I'm not too bad for a golden oldie but for the opportunity. I am sure that we all look forward to seeing the pictures.
> had given up on it. I just can't imagine it as a paddling pool!
> I mean it isn't even pale blue ;-)

No. just concrete grey! Quite unlike the Lido which was a shade of blue.
> considered safe to let the ankle biters climb the steps to the
> top in case they fall off.

How many of us fell off the slide in my day? I don't know of any. BTW I went down a double slide only the other day in Bury St. Edmunds up here in West Suffolk, with my grandaughter. I hadn't expected to do so but she insisted. The first time I have been down a slide for nearly 60 years! I didn't fall off and I hope she asks me again.

The new housing that you mention, are they council properties or yuppy homes? Do they have yuppies in Edmonton!

Thanks for confirming the crossing by Causeyware Road. I'll be able to cross in safety on my next visit.

The Pitch and Pint? Well I suppose that it is better than the Slug and Lettuce but did the brewery realise that the pub site is so old and the same name has been there since time started. I fear, just like the developers, that they couldn't care less.

Ron Roe.
Graham JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
09:07 PM UK
Quick quiz time...

That is a quiz of the I don't know the answer sort!

Near Tramway Avenue, between Elizabeth Ride and Tudor Road, is a building that is now a private members club. However the look of the building and some faded memories are screaming "its a pub" at me. So the question is, if this was a pub what was it called?

There is a snatched piccy of the building at :

You might also appreciate http://www.lower-edmonton.co.uk/images/dig...-07-29/100-0858.jpg which is the only bit between Tramway Avenue and Elizabeth Ride that was familiar to me!
Ron Roe
08:29 PM UK
Hi Graham,

----- Original Message -----
From: "QT - Peter Cartwright" <qtopic+6-kNChfWVvv2Hd2bJnUSW@quicktopic.com> To: <hillis@waitrose.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: Lower Edmonton

No, not in the least! I was only thinking this morning how lucky I am to live here in happiness with my wife, Anita, and our English Setter, Bosey.
We DO NOT live in one of the twee Olde Worlde cottages but in a modern 1988 detached just outside of the centre and certainly not in the 'Igh Road!
Having been in advertising since a couple of centuries ago I do know that one very important thing for Townies to remember is that without tourists the English village is dead, with no shops. So I blow the trumpet. We are fortunate in Lavenham............at the moment.

September 11 decimated us of the regular American and Japanese tourists. Whilst the non-existent foot & mouth crisis in East Anglia, was just as devastating, stopping the British, Dutch, etc. We're recovering.
AND I've passed on your website to three contacts with me at Houndsfield in the days of yore. Not noticed that they have contributed however.
Ron Roe in Lavenham, Suffolk, England.
Ron Roe
08:29 PM UK
Hi Graham,

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