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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
07:20 PM ET (US)

Kanawha Bird-with Berry salts.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
07:16 PM ET (US)

Debi,

KANAWHA BIRD-WITH-BERRY

Kanawha also produced a Bird-with-Berry salt that is similar in design to the Degenhart and Boyd versions. Full details on the Kanawha bird can be found in the article. I’ve attached a picture of the label in case you would like to show it in H&J 932 & 933 and then we have all of the Bird-with-Berries salts covered.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
07:15 PM ET (US)

H&J 947 - McKee Bird-with-Bird Table/Master in Blue.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
07:14 PM ET (US)

H&J 947
MC KEE BIRD-WITH-BERRY TABLE/MASTER

Dimensions: 3-7/8” L, 2-7/8” W, 2-1/8” H (Base 2-1/8” L)

Manufacturer: McKee Glass Company – circa 1890-1900 (Start date is one of the first catalog dates to show the Bird-with-Berry salts. But Birds may have been made earlier.)

Known Colors: Amber, Blue, Vaseline & Clear

McKee’s Master Salt has a smaller base than the L.G. Wright version.

A Bird-Without-Berry Table salt was also made by McKee and can be seen in some of their catalog pages.

For more detailed information on how to tell a McKee from a L.G. Wright see “Bird-with-Berry Open Salt” under References>Open Salt Articles.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
07:05 PM ET (US)

L.G. WRIGHT BIRD-WITH-BERRY TABLE/MASTER
H&J 946

Dimensions: 3-7/8” L, 2-7/8” W, 2-1/8” H (Base 2-1/2” L)

Manufacturer: L.G. Wright – Newer Productions – 1937-1999 (Dates are when company was in business. Unknown exactly when bird was first made, but still appeared in 1996 catalog).

Known Colors: Amber, Amethyst, Blue, Green, Clear & Amberina

L.G. Wright’s Master Salt has a larger base than the McKee version.

For more detailed information on how to tell a L.G. Wright from a McKee see “Bird-with-Berry Open Salt” under References>Open Salt Articles.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:59 PM ET (US)

H&J 946 - L.G. Wright Bird-with Berry Table/Master in Amberina.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:51 PM ET (US)

H&J 933 - Degenhart Cobalt Blue Bird-with Berry.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:51 PM ET (US)

H&J 933 - Degenhart Trademark Heart.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:50 PM ET (US)

H&J 933
DEGENHART BIRD-WITH-BERRY

Dimensions: 3” L, 1-7/8” W, 1-5/8” H

Manufacturer: Degenhart Crystal Art Glass – circa 1951 to 1978 (Dates Bird-With-Berry salts were produced)
 
Known Colors: Over 100+ known colors. Prior to 1965 Degenhart did not keep records of the colors they produced.

Same exact mold as the Boyd bird. Unmarked from 1951-1971. A “D” in a Heart mark was added starting in 1972 and used until 1978.

Poor “Made in Taiwan” copies of the Degenhart Birds, complete with their signature “D” in Heart mark, have been found.
  
For more detailed information on Degenhart Birds and Taiwan Copies see “Bird-with-Berry Open Salt” under References>Open Salt Articles.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:49 PM ET (US)

H&J 932
BOYD BIRD-WITH-BERRY

Dimensions: 3” L, 1-7/8” W, 1-5/8” H

Manufacturer: Boyd Crystal Art Glass – circa 1978 to 2014 (Dates Bird-with-Berry salts were produced)

Known Colors: Over 80+

Same exact mold as the Degenhart bird. But Boyd birds were “always” marked from the first day of production. The mark consists of a “B” in a Diamond with a series of lines and letters added for each five years of production.

For more detailed information and Boyd’s Signature Trademark Chart see “Bird-with-Berry Open Salt” under References>Open Salt Articles.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
06:48 PM ET (US)

H&J 931
MCKEE BIRD-WITH-BERRY & BIRD-WITHOUT-BERRY
 
Dimensions: 2-15/16” L, 1-13/16 W, 1-5/8” H

Manufacturer: McKee Glass Company – circa 1890-1900 (Start date is one of the first catalog dates to show the Bird-with-Berry salts. But Birds may have been made earlier.)

McKee produced three versions of these bird salts:
Version 1: Bird-Without-Berry (Rare)
Known Colors: Vaseline, Blue, Amber & Clear

Version 2: Bird-With-Berry (Protruding Eyes)
Known Colors: Vaseline, Blue, Amber, Clear & Aqua (Rare)

Version 3: Bird-With-Berry (Flat Eyes)
Known Colors: Vaseline, Blue, Amber & Clear

Chinese Imports that look very similar have been found.
For more detailed information on the different McKee versions and Chinese Imports see “Bird-with-Berry Open Salt” under References>Open Salt Articles.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:32 PM ET (US)

H&J 938 Swan - Another color and details 3/4 front view
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:29 PM ET (US)

H&J 938 Swan - Another color and details
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:26 PM ET (US)

H&J 937 Mosser Type 3 - Amber
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:20 PM ET (US)

H&J 937 Mosser Type 3 - Lt Amber / Yellow
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:12 PM ET (US)

H&J 936 Cambridge Type 2 Crown Tuscan - top
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-19-2020
01:07 PM ET (US)

H&J 936 Cambridge Type 2 Crown Tuscan
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
11:40 AM ET (US)

H&J 945 - hen with painted features
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
11:36 AM ET (US)

H&J 945 - Mark
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
11:30 AM ET (US)

H&J 945
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
11:28 AM ET (US)

H&J 945
This may be a better hen to use for #945 as it has the Westmoreland Mark as well as a paper label.
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
10:45 AM ET (US)
Thanks girls. I am actively looking for the ones we need for the project. Treasure hunt!!
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-18-2020
02:44 AM ET (US)
Good find Jan. I'll get it posted soon.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
11:35 PM ET (US)
That's great Jan, another one off the list. You girls are on a roll!!
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Lynda LaLondePerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
08:37 PM ET (US)
  Hey fantastic, you found #2815. Good for you.
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
06:34 PM ET (US)

H&J 2815 last view
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
06:33 PM ET (US)

H&J 2815 profile
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
06:32 PM ET (US)

H&J 2815 bottom
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
06:31 PM ET (US)

H&J 2815 top down
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Jan SPerson was signed in when posted
10-17-2020
06:30 PM ET (US)

Here’s one we need: H&J 2815
Hexagon with symmetrical cutting. All surfaces are highly polished.
1 3/4 pp x 15/16.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-16-2020
08:44 PM ET (US)
Good work Debi...another mystery solved!!
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-16-2020
06:30 PM ET (US)

I asked about H&J 602 on Inez's Facebook group and finally found out what it really is. Paul Kirk Jr. said it is a cut down European 1840s era ("Biedermeier") item. Possibly goblet/tumbler, spill, or violet vase. I always had a feeling it was cut down from something else. The base and stem just looked too large for a tiny salt bowl.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-16-2020
01:12 PM ET (US)
Just in case anyone might think I'm ignoring Judy, I am not. We have been communicating through email.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
03:15 PM ET (US)
Debi I emailed a copy of the Cambridge 3" Swan Chart I wrapped up today. I'm not sure what version of Word you can open so I went back to a file with the .doc extension. If you have trouble with it I'll try the .docx.

The chart worked with the swans I currently have. It even brought a possible wrong ID to my attention with the amber salt I have. I thought it was a Mosser Type II because of the wings and wide foot. But according to the Cambridge article on Reissues, Mosser didn't make a Type II. That would push my amber swan to Type III, but the wing tips aren't as wide as the other Mosser or the Cambridge.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
02:51 PM ET (US)

Here's the close of the blue swan's straighter feathers.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
02:51 PM ET (US)

The feathers on the top of the bump on this blue swan are straighter and thicker, like the ones in post #182. It measures 2" high. I'm not positive that this one is H&J 926 because the H&J picture for 926 is not very clear, I think it may be Smith's early version, but if not, than whose? I will also show a close-up of this swans feathers.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
02:49 PM ET (US)

Here's the close-up of the curved feathers of H&J 927.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
02:49 PM ET (US)

Debi, I am so sorry that your back is acting up again...or should I say still. You work too hard at the computer and need to take it easy. I get bad neck pain when I'm on the computer too long and it's not fun.

I know we were told not to participate with pictures, but I though showing my pictures may help with the discuss on the Smith H&J 927 salt, and possibly with H&J 926. Attached is what I always believed to be 927. It measures 2-1/4" high. Please note the top feathers on the bump near the tail have a bit of a curve or swirl and are also thinner in texture. My salt looks similar to the red one in post #183. I will also show a close up of the feathers.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
08:10 AM ET (US)
Debi sorry about your back acting up again. I have a friend and a brother that have back pain. I have hip and knee pain all the time. All can make living a normal life impossible.

This has been a learning lesson for me. Sometimes I think something is obvious in a photo. BUT, that is because I know that something is or isn't there. I know now that I need to point out details better in writing. I understand why you like to have the item to look at and feel. I'm the same way. Wanting to have things correct is a good attitude.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
07:55 AM ET (US)
Morning Debi ... I think the shots are at a slightly different angle to the camera and that is making the wings in front look different. The tail missing from the amber one doesn't help matters. That make the amber wing look higher.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
07:38 AM ET (US)
The bump closest to the tail looks larger and more defined on the amber one than on the red one. It looks like two different molds to me.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
07:34 AM ET (US)

Red
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
07:34 AM ET (US)

Amber
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
07:29 AM ET (US)
Judy, I actually mentioned that I thought one of the amber pictures of H&J 926-27 looked like it had a flat tail. but I edited it out before posting. I am already confused on just that little swan let alone the birds again. My back was so bad yesterday I didn't want headache too so I only worked on putting the pictures of some others on the pages. My heart just isn't into contemporary salts that I don't have many examples of. When I do these H&J pages I like to pull out my salts and measure them, feel them, see the slight differences in some, etc. I still see a difference in the wings between your amber one and red one. Maybe I'm just going blind like Lynda. LOL
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Lynda LaLondePerson was signed in when posted
10-14-2020
02:47 AM ET (US)
 God bless you all. I am totally lost.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
07:47 PM ET (US)
Debi,
Do you think you will have enough space on the project page for H&J 931 (MccKee Bird-with-Berry) to add a notation that Chinese Import look-a-likes have been found and refer readers to the article for more complete information? And the same type of notation on H&J 933 (Degenhart Bird-with-Berry) about Taiwan “fake” copies? Kind of like how you have been noting newer reproductions up in the right-hand corner and referring them to Ed Bowman’s research pages.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
07:44 PM ET (US)
Thank you so much Judy. I didn’t expect you to tackle my extensive request so quickly given all the “bird” work you have on your plate right now, but I really do appreciate it!! Oh…and I wasn’t asking you to make any decisions on how the article reference should appear on the H&J Project pages. I was just making some suggestions as I know Debi also reads through these messages and thought it logical to cover the topic at the same time. I’m sorry and I probably should have posted a separate message to just Debi on that subject. I will do so with the McKee Chinese Imports and the Degenhart Taiwan copies information. Thanks again…you’re the best!!
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
08:55 AM ET (US)
Joan I think I made all your recommended edits ... I'll let Debi decide how she will add the article reference.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
05:09 AM ET (US)
Judy, I must apologize in advance for the length of my post and hope it doesn’t put you to sleep before you get through it…lol!! I took a closer look at your posts on the Bird with Berry salts and picked up on a couple of things that probably should be addressed before Debi starts to put the project pages together.

First, I think you may have inadvertently transposed the information and pictures for H&J 932 & 933.

Post #73 – The H&J 933 description states that the “amber” bird is “unmarked”. If that is the case it cannot be Boyd because the Boyd birds were “always” marked from the first day of production, so H&J 933 is actually an “unmarked” Degenhart bird. Degenhart were unmarked from 1958-1971. The “D” in a heart mark was added and used from 1972-1978. This post can be easily fixed. If you edit all your posts (73-77), that are currently marked with H&J 933, and change them to H&J 932 so they will be associated with the Boyd bird. And remove the words “and unmarked” in your info section, then the pictures and information will now be correct for the H&J 932 Boyd bird.

Post #68 – The H&J 932 description states that the “blue opaque” bird has the Boyd signature mark of a “B in a Diamond”. Your H&J 932 posts 68-72 show information on and pictures of a “marked” Degenhart bird. On this one you would need to edit posts (68-72), that are currently marked H&J 932, and change them to H&J 933 so they will be associated with the Degenhart bird. And correct the mark information to read… “Unmarked from 1958-1971. Marked with a “D in a Heart” 1972-1978”, then the pictures and information will be correct for the H&J 933 Degenhart bird. One other thing I think is important to cover on this Degenhart project page is that there are fake Taiwan copies, complete with the Degenhart mark, being sold as authentic Degenhart Bird with Berry salts. And a link to the Bird with Berry article, that helps identify and shows pictures of the “fake copies”, should also be included.

There is some information that should probably be added to the McKee post to further clarify the number of birds that were produced by McKee.

Post #29 – This one is a little easier to fix and just involves adding a little more information on the McKee birds. McKee actually produced three birds. One without the berry and two with the berry (one with protruding eyes and one with flat eyes). I’ll cover them in order. Bird without Berry: The only information you need to add is “Clear” to your known colors. Bird with Berry “Protruding” Eyes: In addition to Clear they were also made in Blue, Amber, Vaseline and Aqua, so these need to be added to your known color list. Bird with Berry “Flat” Eyes: You didn’t cover this one in your information but did provide a picture (Clear bird). So, information on this “Flat” eyed bird should probably be added along with the known colors of Vaseline, Blue, Amber and Clear. There are some identifiable differences between the two McKee Bird with Berry salts so it may be a good time for Debi to include the reference link to the Bird with Berry article, rather than confuse the reader with too much info on the H&J project page. Also, a note to let readers know that there are Chinese Imports on the market, that look very similar to the McKee birds, that also covered in detail in the article.

Your posts and pictures for H&J 946 & 947 (Wright & McKee Masters) are spot on. And most of your pictures and info should probably be covered on the H&J project page because I only provided minimal detail on masters in my article. The article, however, does have a picture of a McKee catalog page that includes a Bird “without” Berry “Table” salt. So, maybe your post for the project page can remind Debi to include a brief note about it and have her refer readers to the article to view the catalog page.

One last thing, one of your posts pertained to how and where we cover info and show “pictures” of the Kanawha bird. My suggestion would be to add a note reading something like… “Please use the following link for more complete information on all known Bird with Berry salts” to H&J 932, which is the only H&J bird project page left that does not already mention the link. This way no matter which H&J Bird with Berry project page they pull-up it will lead them to the article where they will find pictures and detailed information on the Kanawha bird, along with all the others.

I feel so bad that I created more work for you. And if there is anything in my post that is unclear, which I'm sure there likely is, or if I can do anything to help, please don’t hesitate to let me know. But again, I thought it best that I bring this up now before Debi started to work on these.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
03:42 AM ET (US)

H&J 927
Swan

These shots do not show the broken tail.
I started to pitch this swan but it is such a pretty amber.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
03:40 AM ET (US)

H&J 927
Swan

Debi you may be able to use these two shots of the amber swan to show a different color. I didn't realize I'd posted the wrong series of pictures for this one.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
12:40 AM ET (US)
Great articles ladies. Now I think I need to finish the articles I started years ago.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-13-2020
12:30 AM ET (US)
Debi the swans at #100 and #102 are the same. The amber swan's tail is broken off. Use the picture of the amberina swan at #102.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
07:51 PM ET (US)
Judy, That's a cute name that you friend came up with for her Dog Training business. At least she didn't call you a bird-brain...lol!! And don't rush on my part with the Cambridge ID chart. I can use the time to ID mine and read through the Cambridge links Debi just posted.

Debi, Thanks for putting my article up so quickly. Hopefully it will help make the assembly of the Bird with Berry pages a little less cumbersome. Also read your article on Blue & White, very interesting and lots of great information.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
07:19 PM ET (US)
Judy, the pictures you have posted at #100 and #102...Those are two different salts because the wings are different. #100 wings look like H&J 926 and #102 looks like H&J 927.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
06:55 PM ET (US)
Joan, I got your article uploaded. It went easier than I thought it would. Also added my write up on Blue and White salts I did about 10 years ago. I saw it in my folder and figured I should get it on the website too. They are under References>Open Salt Articles.
Edited 10-12-2020 06:55 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
06:26 PM ET (US)
Debi I printed the articles. Looks like they are going to be a great resource. The color chart in article two looks a little like I'd thought about how to organize the identification differences, i.e. wing dimple, size of feet. etc.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
05:50 PM ET (US)
I checked in on the EAPGS Facebook page today and came across this series of articles on the Cambridge swans:
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/99crystalball314a.php
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/99crystalball315a.php
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/99crystalball317a.php
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/99crystalball319a.php
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/00crystalball322a.php
http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/9700/00crystalball323a.php

The second one looks like the most information as far as colors and types.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
02:42 PM ET (US)
Joan I'm going to finish the pictures and update my files on the Mosser and Summit Hens on Nests before I start on a list of ID's for the Cambridge swans. That will get salts into boxes and out of my way. I was thinking about trying some kind of Id list for the HONs. That will be a more extensive one than the swans; so the swan ID check will be a good practice run for hens. Hens, swans, birds with seeds...A friend thinks my life has gone to the birds. She doesn't have room to talk through, she runs a dog training business named Gone to the Dogs.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
02:20 PM ET (US)
Judy, I think we are good on the Bird-with-Berry salts. You already posted a lot of great pictures and descriptions that I believe Debi will be able to pull from for the H&J page pictures and information. And then she can just add a link referring people to the article for those who want a more in-depth view or greater details covering all the birds, the U.S. companies that made them, Chinese imports and fake copies of the Degenhart birds made in Taiwan.

I'm more than happy to give you the lead on the swan salt identification chart/map/pictorial...lol!! I have ten swans but I have never used the Berg chart to identify any of them. Some have the Cambridge mark, but I don't know what "type" they are. But I promise I will go through them, identify which ones I have, and provide you with any information or pictures you think will be needed to accomplish what you have in mind. I'm here when and if you need me!! Just holler!! How's that sound??
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
11:51 AM ET (US)
Joan, Debi is going to be busy, busy, for sometime. Do you need pictures or anything from me for the Birds with Berry migration?

I have a couple of Cambridge swans ordered and on their way from a seller I like on eBay. I hope I can get better pictures of the things that show the differences between Cambridge, Boyd and Mosser. Ladies how do you think this should read/look like? Both Ed Berg and Ed bowman started with the Type I mold and progressed to the Type III molds. That can be a little difficult to follow, and may force readers to go through details they don't need to check. Maybe a checklist under each mold type would make an identification easier.
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-12-2020
11:18 AM ET (US)
Debi, Getting approval for use of my article was quick and easy. Mary and Kent are wonderful to work with. Will email a copy to you today.

Lynda & Judy, Thanks for your support (as always). All worked out well.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
11:15 PM ET (US)
I'll continue working on getting the pictures and pages put together this week. If you get any addition salts please post them when you get them. I'll try working on the ones I think we have all the pictures of first. That way I won't have to redo pages over and over again.

Lynda, your black swan is pretty and I think it was Burtles & Tate but it doesn't appear on this H&J page.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
02:46 PM ET (US)

Joan I think Lynda is correct about copy rights. I talked to my daughter, who worked as a marketing director with Block Buster before they merged and closed down, about it and she said if you are the author and have no agreement that national has exclusive rights you can give the article to anyone you like.

Now picture Snoopy doing the HaPPy DaNcE! That is how I feel right now. I was able to get a good picture of the dimple on the wing of my black Cambridge swan. This is one identification that is easier to find by touch. I could feel the dimple on the clear swan, but couldn't see it with my eye or the camera.
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Lynda LaLondePerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
01:00 PM ET (US)

   Debi, to my knowledge Joan owns her article. OSC has to ask HER for permission to publish it anywhere else. It woukd be different if she sold it to them but she didn’t.
   Do you guys want a picture of my black bird that J J says was rare and like an ass I didn't write the information down. I'll have to scroll back and see if I can find it. I'm such a dumb bunny.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
12:12 PM ET (US)

H&J 938
SWAN - bottom
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
12:10 PM ET (US)

H&J 938
SWAN - top
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
12:08 PM ET (US)

H&J 938
SWAN - back
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
12:04 PM ET (US)

H&J 938
SWAN - head

Debi the amethyst swan must be swimming here.
Hopefully it will make it this week. In the meantime
I thought I'd at least get the amber one up.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
12:01 PM ET (US)

H&J 938
SWAN

DIMENSIONS:
3 7/8” L x 2” W x 2 3/8” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
L.G. Wright No 77-62 circa 1960
Later Produced by Rosso.

Wright Colors: Amber, Lt Blue, Crystal, Red, Green,
Amethyst, Cobalt, Black, Pink, Yellow
Rosso Colors: (R in Keystone Mark) Vaseline,
Vaseline Iridized
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Joan F.Person was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
11:23 AM ET (US)
Debi, Happy to take pictures of the swans I have. Like Judy observed we may have a problem with the details but am willing to give it a try.

I'll call Mary and email Kent about the article and let you know.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-11-2020
04:22 AM ET (US)
Joan, I know you wrote the article on the birds with berries, but since it was for OSC I don't know about posting it on my website. You might have to ask OSC if you can submit it anywhere else. I do have a reference section for articles and would gladly post it there if you have permission.

If we, by we I mean mostly Judy and Joan, want to try and make a pictorial of the swans that would be great. Otherwise I can just put Ed Berg's drawing as a page two. I don't enough different ones to contribute much. Just my Cambridge black and crown tuscan and a cobalt Mosser.
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Jan, clear 617 has been added to the page. Had to resize and jiggle pictures around so I didn't have to delete any.
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I went back to my swans to see if I think I can get a picture of the depression on the wings and larger foot. When I get back to the camera work I'll try and see what happens. Measurements on the Cambridge Type III swan with paper label are 2 3/4" wing tip to wing tip. And, I noted that the amber swan I have for Type II is likely a Mosser unmarked.

The second page of pictures of differences for ID will be a challenge.
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Debi, Thanks for the swan identification link. I forgot all about it. I think that is a great idea to somehow include it as part of the H&J project with actual swan pictures. Probably need to do a second page on the bird-with-berry salts also. I have pictures and descriptions of the two "foreign" versions made in China & Taiwan that I need to post. Just thought of something...could we put the article I did on the bird-with-berry salts in the reference section under salt articles and then put a link to it on the bird-with-berry project pages? There are so many versions to try and jam into just one or two pages.
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05:13 PM ET (US)
Will I was updating my files and realized I hadn't posted No 938. That is one of the swan pictures that I needed to retake. Sooo I'll get photos and info together and post it as soon as I can,

A second page of comparisons for some of these salts would possible keep other people from going as crazy as we are. I know a couple of collectors that will appreciate all the research and identification help very much.
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10-10-2020
10:52 AM ET (US)

H&J 617. Let me know if you want a different view, Debi.
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10-10-2020
09:39 AM ET (US)
All of this is why I don’t collect any of the birds!!! But My opinion is, save the comparisons for a second page
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Debi I don't have a book on Smith either. I was lucky to find Shirley Smith's book for this HON project on disc. That book was selling for over $100 when I looked at it.
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10-10-2020
12:36 AM ET (US)
Judy, do you have a L. E. Smith book? I don't so I went and looked on Amazon and the prices are sky high. Don't know why a book on Smith glass (mainly reproductions) would still cost so much but I don't think I'll be getting one any time soon. Since one of the H&J swans was found with a Smith label I guess it was definitely made by Smith, but that's all we have to go on. It would be nice if a collector actually had one with a label and would post a picture or two.
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10-09-2020
11:11 PM ET (US)
Debi the list for Westmoreland starts in 1979...The swan is dated 1976. I googled Levay and found that they worked for Levi, Mosser and a bunch for Fenton. That leads me to think they may have also worked with Smith.
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10-09-2020
10:05 PM ET (US)
Joan, maybe you could go by Ed Berg's checklist: http://opensalts.us/References/SaltyComments/SC27.pdf (last page)
It might be a good idea to put this as a page two with the H&J Cambridge swans. Maybe we could redo it with pictures?
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09:38 PM ET (US)
Debi, Have both a red and cobalt swan but they are unmarked. And if I remember correctly, they both were part of a Berg group I purchased on eBay but did not have the Berg stickers on them. I know very little about these swans so don't know if they are unmarked Cambridge swans or repros.
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10-09-2020
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Judy, I found this webpage on Levay Glass. Sounds like all the glass they decorated was made by Westmoreland. I went through all the colors and didn't see any small swan listed unless I missed it. More confusion...
http://www.carnivalglass.net/carnivalglass...a%20Blue%20Carnival
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10-09-2020
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Joan, Not necessary for pictures of the pink Cambridge unless you want to. I was just trying to figure out if by pink, Judy meant the Crown Tuscan or if there was also a pale transparent pink for the colors list. I know the marked cobalt Cambridge one is rare but I sure would like to get one of those! Red is rare too I think.
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10-09-2020
08:24 PM ET (US)
I am having a hard time getting into these with all the different companies and variations. Since we are doing this to correct H&J, I feel we should make sure we get it right and there's just such little "for sure" information to go by. Hard to get all the pictures on one page too. I might have to go to two pages but even if I put it in the note to scroll down I wonder if people realize there is a second page. I've only done it a couple times so far but some of these might need a second page for the comparisons, especially the Cambridge and other swans and the McKee and other birds.
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10-09-2020
08:07 PM ET (US)
Debi, In answer to your question in your post #86. Yes, Cambridge made a transparent light pink as well. I have one with the Cambridge "C" in triangle mark. Let me know if you need a picture(s).
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10-09-2020
06:00 PM ET (US)
Debi that is it for now. I'll be able to send additional pictures for the squirrels and the #938 swan in a few days. If you think of anything I may be able to help you with, i.e. different photos or additional information just give a yell.
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H&J 926
Swan - bottom
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H&J 926
Swan - top
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H&J 926
Swan - front
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H&J 926
Swan - mark
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H&J 926
Swan

DIMENSIONS:
2 1/4” L x 1 1/2” W x 2 1/8” H
 
MANUFACTURER(S):
Reproduction of the swan salt at 927.

DESCRIPTION: Possible reproduction of the Smith
swan. Marked on the bottom Levoy 49/2000 1976.
Not sure about the name and not sure if they made
the swan or just irridized it
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Additional Bird on Branch - older clear front
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Additional Bird on Branch - older clear top
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   Sigh..... I am overwhelmed. But I think that's a good thing.
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Jan thanks for the catalog pages. The bird on the page looks like the clear one here.

I went to Salty Comments no 27 where Ed commented on the bird on branch. He indicated that an amber salt was listed in Clark Brown's book "Supplement to Salt Dishes" published in 1941. Mosser wasn't in business then. He was sure that two different molds were involved. He checked Sandwich and they said they had no record of making it. Ed
said it is a Vistorian novelty dish made in the late 1800's. So I am still at a loss about who made the salts, and in how many different versions.
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01:33 PM ET (US)

Catalog page
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Here it is, made in Sweden 1890
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Bottom of the Mosser salt.

Debi does your bird on branch have a makers mark? I have another coming in. It should be here soon. It has a "M" mark but I don't know much more.

Are you thinking about pitting the old salt at #949 and the Mosser at #940? I didn't note the different branch shapes. I should have; that is more noticeable than the cut end and can be easily shown with photos. I'll rethink the pictures and can take what ever you think would help show differences.
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01:03 PM ET (US)
Debi and Judy, there is at least one foreign-made bird on a branch. Let me see if I can find the catalog image again.
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Judy, I think there is more than just 2 versions of the bird and nest on branch salt. Mine does not look like your clear one and not the Mosser one either. Your clear one has a definite Y shape on the branch under the nest. Mine is shaped more like the Mosser one, more rounded. Mine has crisp detail, even eyes on the bird. But my branch ends are different. I begin to get very frustrated when there are no clear answers.

On your pictures of 946 and 947, you have good comparison pictures but basically only one picture of each type by itself. The pages will look like each other with no pictures of each salt by itself. Know what I mean?
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Mosser reproduction - cut log end
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Mosser reproduction - "M" Mark
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Mosser reproduction - top
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Mosser reproduction
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Old salt LOG CUT END
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH
Old version - bottom
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H&J 939 & 940
BIRD NEST ON BRANCH

DIMENSIONS:
OLD CLEAR SALT: 3 ½” L
Nest 1 13/16” W, 1 ¼” H at the tail

MOSSER AMBER SALT: 3 ½” L
Nest 1 7/8” W, 1 3/8” High at the tail

MANUFACTURER(S):
Victorian Novelty circa 1800's Old version No. 2685 shown
in a "Reijmyre Stockholm, Sweden" catalog Circa 1890. Old
one with flat surfaces on the cut end portion of the branch.

Mosser late 1970's with the "M" in a circle mark in the bowl.
Wood grain on the cut end of the log.
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H&J 945
WESTMORELAND NO 3 CHICK
HEN ON NEST - Westmoreland Glass Mark
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H&J 945
WESTMORELAND NO 3 CHICK
HEN ON NEST
Note slightly turned head
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H&J 945
WESTMORELAND NO 3 CHICK
HEN ON NEST white milk
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H&J 945
WESTMORELAND NO 3 CHICK
HEN ON NEST - hen top and nest bottom
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H&J 945
WESTMORELAND NO 3 CHICK HEN ON NEST

DIMENSIONS:
Basket: 2 1/2” L x 2” W
Hen Top: 2” L x 1/2” W
Top and Base together: 2” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Westmoreland circa 1925
The hen salt has a head turned slightly to the
right and a straight tail. The neck and beak are
also thicker than those on Degenhart, Boyd or
Vallerystal hens. The nest has a basket weave
design that continues on the bottom with a
scalloped top. Westmoreland produced this
salt in several colors and some may have
painted features.

Reproductions by Rosso since 1984.
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H&J 942
HEN ON NEST - classic black carnival
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H&J 942
HEN ON NEST - avocado
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H&J 942
HEN ON NEST - 5th Boyd mark
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H&J 942
HEN ON NEST - Hen top and nest bottom
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H&J 942
HEN ON NEST

DIMENSIONS:
Basket: 2 1/2” L x 2” W
Hen Top: 2” L x 1/2” W
Top and Base together: 2” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Boyd calls this a “one-inch chick”. The hen salt
has a straight head and tail. The nest has a basket
weave design that continues on the bottom and a
scalloped top. Boyd produced this salt with different
five-year period marks beginning in 1976.
Made in over 200 colors.
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H&J 927
Swan - bottom amberina
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H&J 927
Swan - top amberina
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H&J 927
Swan - side amberina
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H&J 927
Swan - top
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Moving on working backward.

H&J 927
Swan

DIMENSIONS:
2 1/4” L x 1 1/2” W x 2” H
 
MANUFACTURER(S):
Smith Hand-Crafted circa 1970’s

DESCRIPTION: Nicely detailed glass swan
found in several colors.
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H&J 928
Swan - bottom
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H&J 928
Swan - top
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H&J 928
Swan - 3/4 view of the back
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H&J 928
Swan - Head detail of excess glass
around the edge of the beak
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All-Righty-Then, Things are working here. As a last ditch effort I replaced the thump drive. We got jpeg pictures!
So here goes you all.

H&J 928
Swan

DIMENSIONS:
2 1/4” L x 1 1/2” W x 2 1/8” H
 
MANUFACTURER(S):
Poor quality reproduction of the swan salt at 927.

DESCRIPTION: You can see and feel excess glass
along the tops of the wings, on the mold lines. There is
an excess easily seen on the beak.
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Thanks Debi. I think the problem is happening when I save to a file from the ViewNX2 program. I'm going to take new photos of green swan and retry saving them to the file where I have this type of salt stored.

Cambridge made their 1040 Type I swan in "Peach-Blo" and it looks pinkish. Thanks for getting the mark for the ebony swan.
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02:05 PM ET (US)
Judy, sorry but I don't know why some pictures will not transfer or open. I just take the picture card from the camera and put them on my laptop and never had any error messages.
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Jan, I'm jealous you have the old cobalt Mosaic swan. Your picture is clearer than Richard's of the cobalt one so I will use yours.

Judy, I was just wondering if there is a transparent pink Cambridge swan. I'm not sure of the colors Cambridge made. I know the Crown Tuscan color was also painted in what they called a Charleton decoration but maybe it wasn't done on the small swan.

Here's my picture of the mark on the black swan. I can crop it.
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Jan thanks for the kind words. Right now I'm just crazy. I can't figure out why I can't get the pictures of the #928 green swan to upload to the thumb drive in the right jpg format. The pictures of the swans I took for #927 in amber and amberina are working fine. Can a green swan be cursed?

Jan I've never seen the Mosaic Swan Boat in cobalt. It is beautiful. I always felt luck to have one in clear.
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Mosaic swan boat
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Judy, this is incredible. You are AMAZING!!
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I have another swan on the way from eBay for #926 so that first row is complete except #930 Squirrel by Guernsey.
Row 2 OK unless you'd like additional colors of Birds with berries from other folks.
Row 3 Cambridge swans look covered. I have the swan at #938 in amber and buy a couple from eBay if colors are an issue.
Row 4 Birds on Branch I have two with details and I have another on the way to get the Mosser Mark.
Row 5 Smith hen at #943 post in blue only, and Mosser hens posted. I have a Boyd for #942...Also a bunch of colors. I have the Westmoreland at #945 covered.
Row 6 Is complete and posted.

Looks good on my end. Let my know if you have any requests for something I din't think of. The mail is a little slow, election I guess, but the salts from eBay are on the way.
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Debi I don't have a Crown Tuscan or just pink Cambridge swan. I have one that is a pale yellow. Hope that one didn't look pink here. If your black Cambridge mark doesn't photograph well I'll try to get it on my swan. I forgot it when I did that set of photos.

The information I have on 944 and 976 is they are Mosser. They made the mold and produced 10 colors.

I'm reshooting this morning. I had the strangest thing happen with the photos for the Swan at #928. I shot two that I have for #927 and they came out fine. But the series of shots for #928, the poor quality one, all will not open. I get a file error for all of them. I know you have Nikon Coolpix L810...Has this ever happened to you? I may have done something in the editing faze and not saves as a jpg. Just have not been able to figure it out. Got to stop doing camera work while half asleep!
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Judy, if 944 and 976 are both by the same maker, I will just put "See 944" by 976. If there's two different makers I can put one maker on each. I am not that familiar with these contemporary salts. Except for maybe buying a cobalt example, I don't have many of these.

I have a black Cambridge swan with the mark so I can use that picture. Also have a Crown Tuscan one with a Cambridge label. Is Crown Tuscan the same as pink in your list, or did Cambridge make a transparent light pink color too?
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Debi if you want 944 and 976 separate let me know. I'll shoot more
pictures of the amethyst salt for 978. I don't have a shot of it in the
same position as the cobalt one in H&J on page 63.
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN - amethyst bottom
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN - amethyst
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN - top
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN - "M" mark
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN - bottom
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H&J 944 and 976
MOSSER NO. 112 OPEN BACKED HEN

DIMENSIONS:
Basket: 3 1/2” L x 1 3/4” W, 1 7/8” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Mosser circa 1973-1995
An original Mosser design with some marked with
an “M” in the bowl. Produced in 10 colors, some
found with a Satin Finish or Iridized.
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Posts 68 to 72 -- Degenhart Bird with Berry
Posts 73 to 77 -- Boyd Bird with Berry
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H&J 932
Bird with Berry - Pale Green Slag
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H&J 932
Bird with Berry - Tail glass bump
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H&J 932
Bird with Berry - Head detail
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H&J 932
Bird with Berry - Mark
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H&J 932
Bird with Berry

DIMENSIONS:
2 15/16” L x 1 13/16” W x 1 3/4” H
 
MANUFACTURER(S):
Made by Boyd
Marked with a “B” in a Diamondt on the bottom.


DESCRIPTION: INDIVIDUAL with non-protruding eyes and
a bump on the left corner of the tail. Found in many colors
and glass types.
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H&J 933
Degenhart Bird with Berry - Blue
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H&J 933
Degenhart Bird with Berry - Tail Bump
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H&J 933
Degenhart Bird with Berry - Head detail
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H&J 933
Degenhart Bird with Berry - Mark "D" in heart
on the inside if the bowl.
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H&J 933
Bird with Berry

DIMENSIONS:
2 15/16” L x 1 13/16” W x 1 3/4” H
 
MANUFACTURER(S):
Made by Degenhart circa 1958
Unmarked from 1958-1971. Marked with a “D in
a Heart” inside the bowl 1972-1978”

DESCRIPTION: INDIVIDUAL with non-protruding
eyes and a bump on the left corner of the tail. Found
in several colors and glass types.
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Debi I'm wiped out for today. I hope to get more photos and posts done tomorrow.
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Posts 62 thru 65 are Cambridge and Mosser repros of
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2
Mold Type IIIB

Cambridge swan has a paper label...Mosser not marked.
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Mosser Reproduction of CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2
Mold Type IIIB - back
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CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2
Mold Type IIIB - top
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Mosser Reproduction of CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2
Mold Type IIIB
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:53 PM ET (US)

H&J 937
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2
Mold Type IIIB
Dimple in wing and more wing detail. Wider breast
but less detail on the head and neck.

DIMENSIONS:
3 3/8” L x 2 7/8” W x 2 1/4” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Cambridge circa 1940-1958
Mold went to Imperial and then Mosser

Cambridge Colors: Clear, Crown Tuscan and Emerald Late Dark.
11 Mosser Colors…many found in Satin and Iridized finishes.
Edited 10-07-2020 07:59 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:50 PM ET (US)
Post 55 thru 69 are all H&J 936, Cambridge swan 1040 1/2 Mold
Type II.

The only one that is marked is the ebony ... Can you reuse the Cambridge
Mark form H&J 835
Edited 10-07-2020 07:57 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:46 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II
unmarked Mosser reproduction - amber top
Edited 10-10-2020 10:35 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:44 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II - clear back
Edited 10-07-2020 07:56 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:40 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II
Three Cambridge Swans
amber is an unmarked Mosser repro.
Edited 10-10-2020 10:32 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:37 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II
by Mosser unmarked reproduction
Edited 10-10-2020 10:34 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:35 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II
Ebony is marked with the Cambridge "C" in Triangle
Edited 10-07-2020 07:55 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:32 PM ET (US)

H&J 936
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 1/2 Mold Type II
Swept more pointed wings with a dimple in the wings

DIMENSIONS:
3 3/8” L x 2 1/4” W x 2 1/8” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Cambridge circa 1939-1940

Cambridge Colors: Clear, Ebony, Pink, Carmen,
Lt Emerald, Mocha, Clear Satin Decorated, Amber
and Forest Green.
Edited 10-07-2020 07:54 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:28 PM ET (US)
Posts 47 thru 53 are all for H&J 935
The 1040 Mold Type was produced by Cambridge and Boyd.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:26 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
BOYD SWAN 1040 Mold Type I - Boyd Mark
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:25 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
BOYD SWAN 1040 Mold Type I - back
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:23 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 Mold Type I - Cambridge Mark
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:22 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 Mold Type I - top
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:19 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
Boyd SWAN 1040 Mold Type I
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:14 PM ET (US)

H&J 935
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 Mold Type I
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
07:07 PM ET (US)
H&J 935
CAMBRIDGE SWAN 1040 Mold Type I
Flat top on the wings.

DIMENSIONS:
3 1/2” L x 2” W x 2 1/4” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Cambridge circa 1928-1933. Marked “C” in a triangle.
Later Produced by Boyd. Marked with "B" in a Diamond

Cambridge Colors: Clear, Light Emerald, Ebony, Peach-blo,
Heather Pink, and Apple Green.
Edited 10-07-2020 07:12 PM
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
04:14 PM ET (US)
Judy, Yes I think we can do one as McKee, one as Boyd and one as Degenhart.

That's odd that your carnival swan with shell is not signed. It's most definitely a Joe St. Clair. I just looked at the two I have. One is clear glass but it has the new reins so it's probably a St. Clair also, but not marked. The other is a Bittersweet amberina carnival.
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Lynda LaLondePerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
02:18 PM ET (US)
  My God..... good Heavens. WOW.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:34 PM ET (US)
I need to do lunch and then more photography.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:29 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
MCKEE MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY
Eye detail

You could also reuse the photo at no 39 to show eye details
compared.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:26 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
MCKEE MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY
Bases of the Wright bird, on the left and the McKee bird on the left

I think the picture for this detail at no 38 is better. But if you don't
want to reuse it here is a different one.
Edited 10-07-2020 01:30 PM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:23 PM ET (US)

H&J 947
MCKEE MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY

DIMENSIONS:
3 7/8” L beak to tail, 2 7/8” W, 2 1/8” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
The Bird with Berry by McKee has a smaller base than the
L.E. Wright Bird. The eyes are bulging and more detail in
the features. Found in a verity of colors.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:19 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
Wright Eye and berry detail
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:17 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
L.G. WRIGHT MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY
Eyes of the Wright bird, on the left and the McKee bird on the left
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:15 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
L.G. WRIGHT MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY
Bases of the Wright bird, on the left and the McKee bird on the left
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
01:12 PM ET (US)

H&J 946
L.G. WRIGHT MASTER BIRD WITH BERRY

DIMENSIONS:
3 7/8” L beak to tail, 2 7/8” W, 2 1/8” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
The Bird with Berry by L.G. Wright has a larger base,
flatter eyes and less feather detail than the McKee
Bird. Found in a verity of colors.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
12:28 PM ET (US)
Hi Debi -- Glad you found the cobalt swanboat. The carnival swanboat doesn't have a mark.

I think I've seen the bird without berry on a McKee catalog page.

How do you feel about changing the listing on H&J 932 and 933? Group Boyd and Degengart together under 932 much like H&J did in the description section? Then using 933 to describe the KANAWHA birds. I have an amberina bird with a paper label I can picture as 933. This would cover all four makers of the Bird with Berry.

Glad you found the cobalt Swanboat.
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Debi RaitzPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
12:03 PM ET (US)
Judy, I can put the bird without the berry on the same page to get it mentioned. We do have a catalog image of both I think. Have to look.

The Mosaic swan was also made in cobalt. I have pictures of the amber and cobalt from Richard Ryan, the toothpick holder collector on EAPGS. Since you have the carnival version, does it have a St. Clair mark? We don't have a picture of that mark. That should complete that page.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:14 AM ET (US)
Debi I have the Bird with berry and bird without
berry together because they are both McKee.
Do what you think is best about putting them
together under the same number. The bird without
berry is hardly ever noted anywhere.
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:11 AM ET (US)

H&J 931:
Bird with Berry
McKee Tail Detail
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:08 AM ET (US)

H&J 931:
Bird without Berry
Head detail
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:06 AM ET (US)

H&J 931:
Bird without Berry
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:05 AM ET (US)

H&J 931:
Bird with Berry
Eye and Head detail
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
11:02 AM ET (US)

H&J 931:
Bird with Berry

DIMENSIONS:
Bird with Berry
2 15/16” L x 1 13/16” W x 1 3/4” H

MANUFACTURER(S):
Originally made by McKee circa 1889

DESCRIPTION: INDIVIDUAL with oval bowl,
PROTRUDING EYES and well defined feathers.
Found in clear, blue, amber, vaseline, and aqua.

INDIVIDUAL with oval bowl,
FLAT EYES and well defined feathers. Found in
clear, blue, amber, vaseline.


Bird without Berry
3” L x 1 3/4” W x 1 1/2” H

Also originally made by McKee circa 1889

Bird without berry found in clear, amber, blue,
and Vaseline.
Edited 10-13-2020 08:52 AM
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
10:51 AM ET (US)

H&J 948
U.S. GLASS JUST OUT
clear back
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
10:50 AM ET (US)

H&J 948
U.S. GLASS JUST OUT
bottom in amber
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Judy in TexasPerson was signed in when posted
10-07-2020
10:48 AM ET (US)

H&J 948
U.S. GLASS JUST OUT
All three colors
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