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Dance & gender: equal opportunities for male dancers?

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ICDFPerson was signed in when posted
03:52 AM ET (US)
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Fredrick IbemgboPerson was signed in when posted
05:09 PM ET (US)
I got the invite and I have joined the group.
andy raine
03:42 PM ET (US)
Fredrick, facebook says they have sent you an invite to the group - if you check your e-mail. Let me know if that's difficult link to follow.
Fredrick IbemgboPerson was signed in when posted
02:34 PM ET (US)
Thanks Mr. Raine. I have sent you an Email.
andy raine
10:45 AM ET (US)
Fredrick Ibemgbo, if you wish to join the Men in Dance Network you can look for the facebook group of that name or e-mail me at andy@uppersprings.com [- are you on facebook? ]
  or in the future we may have a men's cyberforum occasionally by e-mail over a few days.
andy raine
10:26 AM ET (US)
2 great points you made, Fredrick I, 1]that some dances which look great with women are just not suited to men. I can think of some choreographies like that,but it might be that it's true of certain traditional dances or particular dance-styles. 2] IF the dance were being used as a 'praise/worship offering' then the intention of the heart would be what mattered most and would be understood by the Intended Recipient. But it's a bit like other public displays of affection. You may not be greatly aware of other people watching or care too greatly about their opinion, but they would probably notice if you seem offhand or half-hearted. But if we see our gift of dance as a God-given faculty then it deserves our best whatever the context.
Fredrick IbemgboPerson was signed in when posted
03:26 AM ET (US)
My African point of view, not all dance style befits men. They are some that is perfect for females even though men also try but, the audience would clamour for females.
But, that is not really my point, When the command to praise God in dance in Psalms 149:3 was given it was regardless of gender, my point is, if your heart as a male dancer is fixed on praising God like David, Then public opinion shouldn't matter. If you are called to dance for God, you need to get yourself trained in that field because God also deserves the best of you. The talent is raw and ofcourse needs to be polished.

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Peter Hothersall
04:17 PM ET (US)
So You Think You Can Dance only ran two series here in the UK. It was never the hit it has been in other countries. In fact there are few programs like it. The recent series Dance Dance Dance where people with dance experience took on famous pop music and film dances and BBC Young Dancer of the year are the only ones. The main dance program is Strictly Come Dancing (Dancing with the Stars in other countries). The idea of which is that celebs learn to dance. So in the UK at least the idea of to much excessive professional dance is making it seem unreachable for men to dance is not too prevalent.
In Western Society the problem more lies with men themselves. There is still a hesitation in most men when it comes to dancing. Sporting prowess is still more important and that goes for boys as well. So to answer the OP I would say no we haven't reached that point, but it is down to men themselves.
Edited 02-27-2017 04:19 PM
andy raine
06:05 AM ET (US)
I think what you say is true, Andrew. Men in dance are expected, and these programmes are no longer seen as a special-interest 'artsy' thing, but prime-time viewing. That widens the net of people expecting men to participate in dance and overthrowing prejudice and negative expectations. But 2 things: 1) seeing live dance is very different from watching exceptional things on tv, and highly skilled dance has always been admired without us then rubbishing people in real life who dance without it being an Olympic-level competitive sport. I know from performing on the streets with our teams at Edinburgh Fringe etc that it isn't always the most skilful performances that captivates an audience. I've seen there be guys eating fire next to us, and folk standing rivetted watching us instead. Skill is great, but needs to serve the over-all performance. You see that with ice-skating or gymnastics: certain requirements have to be included in their competitive performances, but the ones that are satisfying to watch are where these are seamlessly included in the choreography. [Same with singing: Whitney Houston reaches some notes that sound like a circular-saw, impressive but not pleasing to the ear - give meTom Waits every time!] But it can be daunting if we think of how wonderful other people are. Comparing ourselves to others can paralyse us. Nobody dances just like you and creativity is boundless, and needn't be boring, whether that's trained or untrained boring.
Edited 02-22-2017 07:49 AM
Andrew D ParkPerson was signed in when posted
10:22 PM ET (US)
With popular arts-based reality shows such as "So You Think You Can Dance" happening there is much more male representation in this art form. Many of those males involved do not typify the stereotype of effeminate males which once pervaded the professional dance scene and culture. I think seeing lots of very muscular, gymnastic and `blokey' males dancing robustly doing masculine moves and dancing, as well as mixing it up with more traditional types of ballet etc. broken down and eroded that stereotype a lot. That, I think is, good for the future of dance.
Derived from all that hyper-reality stuff, the general public's expectations and perceptions of what constitutes good `male dance' and 'good female' dance, and just 'good dance' itself, has reached very lofty and often unreachable heights that even many well-honed professional dancers probably could not reach. So, given that most Christian dancers are not `professionals' to that extent of ability (gymnastic, contortionist etc), how can they ever compete on the public stage(whether they are male or female) without being measured against those hyper-realistic TV-dancer images?
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ICDFPerson was signed in when posted
01:57 PM ET (US)
Have we again reached the point where men in dance have equal opportunity for a distinctive voice? Have we passed the 'critical mass' where that becomes a foregone conclusion?


Facilitated by Andy Raine
ICDF Network for Men in Dance
Edited 02-23-2017 09:45 AM