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3 man rotation with play at the plate

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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-10-2018
09:32 AM ET (US)
baseball season never ends...:)
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BWild
08-10-2018
08:32 AM ET (US)
Football 🏈 season
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-08-2018
11:02 AM ET (US)
Mark, Did you mean to say PU was in the Incorrect position? The guy was in the baseline...:)
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Mark
08-08-2018
09:42 AM ET (US)
on 3 -man, PU should be 3rd base extended (unless either partner went out on a trouble ball, then PU should come inside to make the call at 3rd base), so PU was in correct position. He tried to get out of the way, but probably should have been quicker. The U1 was there at home like he should have been, but could have been improved his angle a bit. He simply made the wrong call........Rusty makes a great point. U1 would need to SELL the malicious contact call with decisive, firm audible and mechanics. If the runner holds up or tries to alter his path at all, then you have Obstruction and the run scores. Great comments for a lazy summer day!!
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Isaac
08-07-2018
05:17 PM ET (US)
 Malicious contact plain and simple! Like Jeff & Mark said with or without the ball the runner can't just truck the catcher. He had more than enough time to avoid the catcher.
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
05:08 PM ET (US)
Thanks for posting Kevin! Great to have you in our association! Great observation regarding the C moving toward the runner. I am not saying that he did (because he obviously got trucked) but any defensive player may be called for malicious contact as well...plays like this must be handled like Rusty mentioned in his comment. If the catcher did not have possession of the ball and hinders the runner we should have obstruction (delay dead ball)...but as soon as the runner trucks the C...malicious contact. Can’t wait to meet you at our training sessions
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Kevin Heald
08-07-2018
04:22 PM ET (US)
Well, I'm the new guy here, so take this for what it's worth, but I was wondering where the ball was? Was the catcher moving to try and catch the throw or why exactly was he moving to that spot (nowhere near the plate)? On the comments below the video, "Corey Burnett" has another angle and the catcher looks like he moving towards the runner to either initiate contact or intentionally get it his way (it really puts a different light on it). The runner definitely is intent on trucking him, but the other angle may explain the call in the video. Like somebody said though, if he tries to avoid the catcher and the throw comes in and he tags him out, he should be safe for obstruction. Looks like he didn't want to take the chance that the ump would get it right. I don't know much yet about three-man rotations, but it just looks wrong to have the PU standing in the base line when the runner comes by.
Edited 08-07-2018 04:25 PM
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
02:42 PM ET (US)
Exactly Rusty. Plate guy was in the way. As Rusty pointed out, PU should have been at point of 3rd base (basically in back side of the coaches box) to see the play coming at him (remember this is 3 man mechanics, not 2)...PU cannot interfere with the runner as he comes around third---move more into foul ground to get the heck out of the way...I love the comments
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LeRoy
08-07-2018
01:44 PM ET (US)
The third base ump (plate guy) was indeed in the wrong spot. But, since we don't know what he was seeing on the field, it's possible he was preparing for an overthrow as he knew there was no chance of a close play at third. Sometimes you go with your gut on a play. But Rusty is right, he should have been on the field.
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Rusty BatcherPerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
01:15 PM ET (US)
Umpire too close to second base, (why) plate umpire should be not in the base path, but at the point of third base extended, U1 late and/or not at the point of the plate, as to step right for a swipe tag, or left, "in this case" for a straight in play and also was "WAY TO QUICK" on the call, you need to use good timing, (more than normal) to get this one right, and as "Mark has it", Correct, MC. Again, good slow timing with very methodical signals for the sell. "TIME" (hands up loud and proud) "THAT'S MALICIOUS CONTACT" (big stabbing left hand point) "YOUR OUT" (big right hand, Carlos, fist hammer to the door high in the air) "AND YOUR DONE" (showing the big two step "heave ho" over the third base dugout) Good timing and with a big sell to take charge of the situation, especially with the catcher laid out on the ground, keeping them in the dugout and showing everybody you got this, I'm in charge and we are done!, pull out the card do your homework while things settle, one coach and maybe the player in your face, but not a bench clearing show starring you as the ring leader on utube, Lol, not on my watch.
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
01:06 PM ET (US)
Mark is correct. Malicious contact...with or without the ball, runner cannot truck him. Defensive player is not supposed to be in baseline without the ball, but the runner must avoid the malicious contact. How about the plate umpires position as he went to third?
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Ed
08-07-2018
12:50 PM ET (US)
Couldn’t tell whether catcher had the ball or not, if he did - malicious contact and batter is out. If not, then he should not be in baseline and I don’t think it is malicious contact. Let me know what the correct call is
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
11:55 AM ET (US)
Notice where the plate umpire ended up on the play? opinions?
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Mark
08-07-2018
10:12 AM ET (US)
Malicious contact.......runner is out and ejected. MC always supersedes Obstruction (Rule 8, Sec 4, Art 2e)
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LeRoy
08-07-2018
08:46 AM ET (US)
It sure looks malicious to me, but the catcher was in the base path without the ball too. Looked like the first base ump was to far from the play and didn't stick to the catchers hip. He did not have a good look at the contact.
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Jeff TenbargePerson was signed in when posted
08-07-2018
07:50 AM ET (US)
https://youtu.be/9sJz8EGCEWI

Click the link above to view the video.
Please submit your own message to what you notice about the rotation of the umpires...thoughts on the play...and general observations...
JT

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