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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2020
10:55 AM PT (US)

19 July 1955

Ponte Brolla via the Locarno-Bignasco railway, destination Paudex pres Lutry.

Roger
987
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2020
10:44 AM PT (US)

Terry J - Welcome.
First follow Steven's suggestion to join AHPS link is at top of this page. Best $20 you will spend this year.

Second - There are not many concerns about modern forged cancels, as you have noticed few modern stamps are worth more used, certainly not enough to develop a forgery system to defraud collectors,though some exist (see reecent issue of TELL).

The 1880 granite paper series is different - there were many, many mint sheets sold to collectors of the perforated Sitting Helvetia design. These should have a certificate for any of the expensive stamps. Of course, an ideal way is to collect them on cover, the lower value stamps are reasonable when collected this way.

Just this week I wrote to a seller on eBay who is offering a 1Fr gold 1882 issue granite paper stamp for $184.50! See certificate.
Here is what I wrote to the seller -
I thought I'd pass on some information. Your description -
"ORIGINAL APS CERT #227106 ACCOMPANIES THIS STAMP
CERTIFIED AS GENUINE ON GRANITE PAPER BY THE APS WITH A 'FAKE' CANCEL
. . . .
SCOTT CATALOG VALUE AS USED WITH GENUINE CANCEL IS $1,400"

Totally accurate, but the problem is this -
The stamp in mint perfect condition is listed in Swiss catalogues at CHF23. The stamp you are offering is actually a damaged mint stamp so a small fraction of the mint price. A fake cancel has no bearing on the catalogue value of a used stamp for this issue. These were mostly remainders and offered to collectors in the 1880's which led to many fake cancels, of which it's possible to even read the town name. A smudge would get a Swiss clerk fined for not providing a legible cancel! Best this stamp be withdrawn before it gets you in trouble with a dissatisfied customer."

So it's always consumer beware, but in stamp collecting it is always possible to get an third party opinion to make the collector more certain that what is being purchased is the real thing.

A final question to ask yourself, is the cancel date during the period one would expect for the given stamp. Remember dates are always after the issue date, never before, certainly not 5 years early!
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Steven KennedyPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2020
09:11 AM PT (US)
TerryJ - I have many Switzerland duplicates if you are interested. skennedy@paphs.org

Here are a few links on cancellations -
https://swiss-philately.co.uk/wp-content/u...tation_Markings.pdf
https://swiss-philately.co.uk/cancellations-handstamps/

I would also suggest joining the American Helvetica Philatelic Society at https://swiss-stamps.org/
985
TerryJPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2020
08:19 AM PT (US)

Hi,
I am organizing my accumulation of Swiss stamps to form a collection. In looking at catalogs, I notice a lot of stamps (especially early ones) have a higher value for used vs unused. For rarities I can understand the temptation to forge a cancel, and therefore the necessity for expertising. But in many cases, the premium for used isn't that great, and the stamp value wouldn't warrant a certificate. Some examples in the image include Scott #'s 255, 328, B194, B205, C40. How can I be confident that I have a valid cancel on many of these stamps?
984
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-18-2020
07:21 AM PT (US)

18 July 1907

Collect card for 6 month subscription to the Swiss Agricultural Magazine, which still exists.
Zürich to Kloten.
2 centimes postage plus 10 centimes to collect Fr2.15.
983
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-17-2020
09:21 AM PT (US)

17 July 1908

International postal card mailed in St Gallen and processed aboard the Zürich-St.Gallen-Chur-Zürich postal car, destination Antwerp, Belgium.
982
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-16-2020
11:15 AM PT (US)

16 July 1908

A letter mailed in Waldenburg and processed aboard the Liestal-Waldenburg railway.
It was not possible to deliver the letter even after attempts by both the post office and using police records. The letter received an "Unknown" label and hand stamped reasons for the letter being returned. Luckily the clerk aboard the train at the time of posting wrote "W'burg" in pencil indicating the origin of the letter. As can be seen the Waldenburg backstamp shows the process took two days.
Edited 07-16-2020 11:16 AM
981
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-15-2020
08:36 AM PT (US)

15 July 1952

Postcard mailed at Lenk station and processed on board the Zweisimmen-Lenk railway, which is only 13km long. Card addressed to Bern and forwarded to Kiental.
980
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-14-2020
09:00 AM PT (US)

14 July 1910

Lausanne [razor cancel] to Echallens, which is a town on the Lausanne-Bercher railway.
Domestic postal card.
979
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-13-2020
10:54 AM PT (US)

13 July 1917

Local business post card for delivery within Chur.
Chur razor cancel, one of the first devices to be modified reflecting the change from hatchures above and below the date line, to the Swiss Cross and postal district number below.
978
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-12-2020
11:08 AM PT (US)

12 July 1867

Domestic letter Burgdorf to Consulate of United States of North America in Basel.
Edited 07-12-2020 11:08 AM
977
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-11-2020
02:00 PM PT (US)

11 July 1901

Postcard mailed at Gonten station and processed aboard the Appenzell-Winklen railway, destination - St Gallen.
976
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-10-2020
09:01 AM PT (US)

10 July 1875

International registered letter Vicosoprano to Elbing, Prussia. 25 centimes postage plus 10 centimes registration.
Vicosoprano blue 10 July
transit Silvaplana 11 July
transit Chur 11 July
transit Chur-Zurich-Chur ambulant 11 July
transit St Gallen_Sargans-St Gallen ambulant 11 July
received Elbing 13 July.

"Elbing is the German name of Elbląg, a city in northern Poland which until 1945 was a German city in the province of East Prussia"
1450km from Vicosoprano to Elbing.
975
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2020
08:51 AM PT (US)

9 July 1938

International letter from Bienwil am See [return address on reverse] to Heidelberg, Germany.
Posted at the Bienwil train station and processed on board the Luzern-Wildegg-Luzern railway.
974
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-08-2020
11:30 AM PT (US)

8 July 1875

International letter from Tiffany and Co., Geneve to Paris transit Bellegarde 9 July.
The UPU agreed to start its international rates on 1 July 1875, seven days earlier than this letter was posted.
For a couple of reasons France did not start at this time and it wasn't until 1 January 1876 that France officially joined the UPU. This means that for the last six months of 1875 the rate to nearly all European countries was 25 centimes, except France which was 30 centimes.
973
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-08-2020
07:28 AM PT (US)

Hi Steven - Compare your stamp with examples on this page, many have a certificate. I would likely require a certificate, but that doesn't seem 100% since some don't appear light red to me. I guess it all depends on the asking price and whether you can purchase conditioned on a good certificate.

https://www.philasearch.com/en/dosearch.php3?suchtext=F24a

Roger
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