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Philately of Switzerland

422
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-21-2019
02:38 PM PT (US)

21 April 1900

Khartoum, Sudan to Whitley Bay, England.
I acquired this card when I was searching for cancelers manufactured by Güller. This certainly had a similar look, especially the date wheels. I couldn't find any further unformation, so conclude not made in Switzerland.
421
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-20-2019
12:49 PM PT (US)

20 April 1910

Bellinzona to Diemberg bei Wald, a very tiny village, forwarded to Neuhaus.
Nice example of a perfin for the Banca Cantonale Ticinese canceled with the Bellinzona deCoppet razor canceler.
Edited 04-21-2019 02:26 PM
420
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-19-2019
09:41 AM PT (US)

19 April 1869

Ebnat to ???, nachnahme [collect] of 50 centimes. 10 centimes postage and 10 centimes to collect under 10 francs.
419
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2019
01:08 PM PT (US)

17 April 1871

Basel to Rouen, France, received 20 April.

This originated in Mulhouse, Alsace, France, when occupied by Germany, and was hand carried to Basel for posting. This route was to avoid the front lines between the French and German military force.
418
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-16-2019
02:49 PM PT (US)

16 April 1866

Geneve to Thonon, France. Cross border rate 20 centimes, instead of 30 centimes for longer distance letters between the two countries. The rate was effective for 10 gram letters 30 km direct line between origin and destination.
417
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-15-2019
07:25 PM PT (US)

15 April 1896

Lausanne to Bulawayo, Matabeleland, received May 18.

Read story here - http://rogerheath.com/~thernsp2/roger/Heath_Matabeleland.pdf
416
Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
04-14-2019
08:47 PM PT (US)

About the unusual Album 2000 sticky embroidery "stamp"- Sticker-Vignette... My guess is that anybody who knows how to operate a modern programmable Bernina (Swiss) sewing machine and can do good sketches should be able to produce a good quality piece like that, and many more. Adobe Photoshop could also be used to convert any original color into any other color - see my poor example...
415
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-14-2019
07:22 PM PT (US)

A local stamp club member asked if I could identify this item. I haven't a clue, maybe someone more knowledgeable of modern Swiss cinderellas may have the answer.
414
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-14-2019
02:05 PM PT (US)

14 April 1878

Jnwyl [Inwil] to Eschenbach [LU]. Receiving date stanp on reverse confirms year.

Local nachnahme letter 5 centimes local postage plus 10 centimes to collect 4.40Fr.

Jnwyl zwerg cancel
413
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-13-2019
07:03 PM PT (US)

13 April 1867

Locle to Campagne Tournier Champel [Geneve], domestic letter. This letter shows the amount of handling some items received in the early days in search of the addressee.
Locle 1867_04_13
transit Neuchatel 1867_04_13
transit Ambulant Geneve-Neuchatel 1867_04_13
transit Ambulant Geneve-Sion-Geneve 1867_04_13
transit post officeGeneve A 1867_04_14
transit post office Geneve C 1867_04_14
412
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-12-2019
02:53 PM PT (US)

Apparently a popular day to mail letters.

12 April 1884 - international printed matter from Havana, Cuba, to Livorno, Italy. The diagonal cut lower left indicated to clerks that this was printed matter and unsealed. This canceler was manufactured by Güller of Hüttikon.

12 April 1909 - international registered letter received in Ste Croix, Switzerland from Warsaw, [Russia]. Receiving date stamp is a DeCoppet razor cancel precursor issued in 1897.
411
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-12-2019
02:45 PM PT (US)

12 April 1876 and 1880 - 25 centimes Tueblibrief primary purpose for international UPU letter.

Top - Lausanne to Warsaw, [Russia]

Lower - Lausanne to Croix prés Roubaix, France, uprated with 25 centimes stamp for registration.
410
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-11-2019
12:53 PM PT (US)

11 April 1906

Zeihen to Herznach registered local letter [3.5km] from government agency. I have read about these types of letters that have 35 centimes franking, but can't find my refrence explaining the rate. 5 centimes local letter, plus 10 centimes registration plus plus?

Of interest is the revenue stamp lower left, which I've not seen before on front of item.
409
Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
04-10-2019
07:45 PM PT (US)

I found the attached document to be interesting. It is related to a Swiss government life or pension insurance. Eight postal Z 135 stamps (not fiscal stamps) are attached and were obliterated with a postal canceller. These eight stamps (2 singles and 3 pairs) would have been unusual in a postal letter with a catalog value near 400 CHF. Does it have any philatelic interest ?
The attachment has the front and the reverse of the document, plus an informal translation.
408
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-09-2019
02:31 PM PT (US)

9 April 1968

Neuchatel to Soleure [Solothurn] from the Suchard Company.
The domestic letter rate at the time was 10 centimes, so this could only be over paid or a letter over 10 grams. I weighed this letter and it is 6 grams! Maybe a sheet of paper was separated from these two sheets.
407
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
04-08-2019
07:46 PM PT (US)

8 April 1908

Zurich razor cancel used in 1908, scarcity 7/10 to Dombresson, near Neuchatel.
406
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-07-2019
12:43 PM PT (US)

7 April 1884

Hamburg 17 March 1884, to Valpariso, Chile.

The Valpariso receiving date stamp [insert right side up] was made by Güller of Hüttikon and shipped 25.XI.83. One of numerous cancelers amde for countries in Latin America by this Swiss manufacturer.

http://rogerheath.com/~thernsp2/roger/latin2012/frame1.html
405
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-06-2019
11:01 AM PT (US)

6 April 1881

Domestic registered letter Winterthur to Unter Stamheim. 10 centimes postage plus 20 centimes registration.
404
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-06-2019
10:58 AM PT (US)

5 April 1905

Originally sent from Paris 21 December 1904 to Noumea, New Caledonia via Naples, and Brindisi. Forwarded to Basel, Switzerland arriving 5 April 1905 Post Restante and forwarded within Basel ℅ the Editors of a National Journal. More time needs to be spent detailing this card. I do remember whenI first got this card that the addressee was conducting plant research in New Caladonia.
402
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-04-2019
12:54 PM PT (US)

4 April 1882

Neumünster, transit London April 6, transit Trinidad May 2, received San Fernando ? 1882.

The recipient, Robert (Lechmere) Guppy, received this card from the headmaster of the school his nephew Francis was attending in Switzerland. It stated that Francis was doing well and that the next year's fees would be . . . . .

Robert had an interesting life. When 18 years old, while attending school in England, he became heir to a castle from a grandfather, but he did not want to be tied to that estate, therefore, using a small cash inheritance from another relative he took off on the high seas and was later shipwrecked on the coast of New Zealand in 1856. He lived with the Maoris for two years and got many tattoos which he showed to many over the years. When the Chief wanted him to marry a daughter, Richard left for Trinidad where his parents lived.

He trained to be a geologist and while studying the terrain discovered tiny fish in the muddy fresh water streams. He sent examples to the British Museum where they were catalogued, and became known in comon terms as guppies! These fish also lived on the mainland of South America less than ten miles separating the island from the mainland. This proved the fish were related, though geological motion had separated these fish populations.

During his many studies he documented the geological formations of Trinidad leading to oil explaoration on the island. These studies showed that specific fossilized microorganism led to oil reserves. Many years later he donated his complete collection of shells, and fossized organisms to the American Museum of Natural History.

He was for many years Superintendent of the Trinidad education system
401
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-03-2019
04:17 PM PT (US)

3 April 1880

Zurich to MIlan, Italy. International UPU letter.
400
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-02-2019
03:46 PM PT (US)

2 April 1877

Domestic 5 centimes Tueblibrief uprated 20 centimes to Utrecht, Holland. 25 centimes UPU international rate.
399
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2019
12:34 PM PT (US)

1 April - Razor Cancel Day

1919 [upper]
Neuchatel to Frauenfeld 3 centimes wrapper for printed matter up to 50gms.

1922 [lower]
Luzern to Scandinavia, Wisconsin, USA. In this case machines had been used for a number of years in the largest post offices. Luzern used its "old" razor canceler to cancel stamps the machine had missed. These are called skips. This devices survived another 16 years.
398
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-31-2019
02:36 PM PT (US)

31 March

top - 1898 - Cabinda to Sao Paulo [ now Luanda], Angola
In February 1892 Güller of Hüttikon, Switzerland, maker of Swiss post office cancelers, sent two styles of cancelers to Angola. Eighty-seven were of the style above, and ten of a different style. The tiny text apparently did not ink well, and nearly all cancelations seen by this collector are partially illegible. It is not known why this colony did not choose the bold Portuguese design of the 1880’s.

lower - 1908 - Genoa railway cancel to Bradford, England.
This canceler was also made by Güller. One of many for Italy between 1907 and 1912. They are all similar in design, though different diameters.
397
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-31-2019
02:22 PM PT (US)

31 March 1878

Meiringen local registered letter. Postage 5 centimes plus 20 centimes registration.
396
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-30-2019
01:37 PM PT (US)

30 March 1906

From Hannover, Germany 29 March 1906, received Aarau [razor cancel].
Postage due applied Aarau 30 March, out for delivery –10am. Refused, label added - 30 March –8pm.
Returned to Hannover, received 1 April 1906.

Short paid international printed matter. Nice perfin stamp of the company which sent the card.
Printed advertising on the message side, but “postkarte” not crossed out, thus postage due, which was uncollected.
Hand written note at bottom by postal carrier confirms money not collected.
395
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-29-2019
12:37 PM PT (US)

29 March 1870

Bern to Olten nachnahme printed matter rate of 2 centimes plus 10 centimes to collect under 10Fr.
394
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-28-2019
12:05 PM PT (US)

28 March 1924

Collect demand for a single advertising insertion in publication Fr1.85 plus 20 centimes postage. Local letter 10 cenitmes plus 10 centimes to collect under 10Fr.

Refused and signed by M. Werly with note that he paid at business office [purple pencil]. Large note in red must be office notation that Fr1.75 was paid on March 29, which means the payment demand was in the mail while M Werly was in the office paying his bill.
393
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-27-2019
12:32 PM PT (US)

27 March 1895

From Berlin, received Luzern 28 March.

Underfranked international letter, postage due applied 28 March.
Short 10 pfennigs = 12 ½ centimes plus penalty 12 ½ centimes = 25 due. I'm not sure what the blue pencil below the 10 pfennig stamp reads. It's 1 something.

This letter was addressed to the Hotel Schweizerhof. I have a number of postage due to the hotel and it seems the clerks had to guess which to pay, and others they returned. Those returned all seem to be commercial advertisng types of cards and letters. So what rules did clerks follow when postage due items arrived at the hotel mail room? We do not know, but best guess a supervisor made the judgement.

On this back flap is a small coat of arms with the motto - ich bau auf gott- which is associated with Heinrich XIV The Prince Reuss Younger Line. Reuss was established in 1080 by King Henry IV, certainly an old established family. The perfect guest for the Schweizerhof.
392
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-26-2019
06:14 PM PT (US)

26 March 1872

Basel to Mulhouse. Rayon Limitrophe [cross-border] rate. This was a disputed area during the Franco-Prussian War at first French, then becoming part of Germany.
390
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-25-2019
12:33 PM PT (US)

25 March 1871

Geneve to Nimes, France, pre-UPU rate 30 centimes.
389
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-24-2019
02:36 PM PT (US)
Then there are forgeries but most were taken off themarket.

http://www.pro-philatelie.info/faelschunge...8/zwergstempel.html
388
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-24-2019
02:32 PM PT (US)

24 March 1876

5 centimes postal card from Ursenbach [zwergstempel] to St Imier.

More information about zwergstempels can be found here.
http://www.philaworld.ch/index.php/Zwergstempel

https://www.google.com/search?client=safar...l&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

and catalogue values of different zwergstempel
http://www.mbtaxcards.ch/download/zwergstempelb.pdf
387
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2019
04:14 PM PT (US)

23 March 1872

Neuchatel to Chaux de Fonds to collect Fr10.50. Postage domestic letter 10 centimes plus 20 centimes to collect 10<20 francs.
386
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-22-2019
12:42 PM PT (US)

22 March 1873

5 centimes tueblibrief (postal envelope) uprated for distance letter Zurich to St Gallen. Returned with note - "Unbekant St Gallen - Unknown.
385
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-21-2019
01:31 PM PT (US)

21 March 1906

Post card overprinted changed to printed matter, and advertising information on picture side. Most likely Tobler purchased large volume of post cards and had their own printer add the information.

Bern to San Francisco, USA.

The Great Earthquake of San Fransisco occurred on 18 April 1906. This card probably arrived a week before the eathquake and fire. The building of the address, 1197 Mc Allister, was right on the outer edge of the fire boundary, uncertain whether it was burned. Very close was the City Hall wich was destroyed by the earthquake. The address of company advertised, Bishop & Company was 425 Battery, manufacturers of candy, headquartered in Los Angeles, definitely burned. Sometimes using City Directories in research prove very interesting.
383
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-20-2019
01:53 PM PT (US)

20 March 1906 Aarau to Wiesbaden, Germany.

First posted 19 March - 7pm (fleuron top right), underfranked and processed for return to sender for additional postage 19 March - 8pm (lower razor inverted). Probably delivered the morning of the 20th to the business for the addiitonal postage.

Reposted with correct franking 20 March 1906 - 10am (top left razor, 2 strikes);
received Wiesbaden 20 March 1906. International postcard.�
382
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-19-2019
08:48 PM PT (US)

19 March 1874

Bern to Kirchlindach via Ortschwaben 20 March (on reverse). Returned from Ortschwaben 29 March, received Bern 29 March.
Domestic letter 10 centimes plus 20 centimes to collect 15Fr.

Lower left corner "nicht angenommen and signature" not accepted [Refused].
381
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-18-2019
01:43 PM PT (US)

18 March 1912

Postcard from Basel, Switzerland to Paris, France, via Basel-Belfort Ambulant postal wagon.

Postage due because sender franked card with 5 centimes, and international cards required 10 centimes, therefore, short 5 centimes plus 5 centimes penalty.

This card could have been rated as printed matter, 5 cenitmes, but the sender would have been required to write "Imprimé" on the card which did not happen. Note the card also did not have the standard "Carte Postal" printed on it which was probably confusing to the sender.
380
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-17-2019
12:45 PM PT (US)

17 March 1923

Machine cancelled uprated postal card for international destination, 10 centimes plus 15 centimes.

Machines had been in use in Bern for 11 years processing most of the "machineable" items passing through the Bern post office. There were occassions when the machine did not align with the item being cancelled, resulting in the crown of the machine not cancelling the stamps! For a couple of years it's apparent from examples that this "obsolete" deCoppet razor canceler was used by staff as a backup to cancel the misses!

In this case the item was machine cancelled on 17 March and the razor canceler set for 17 April! Notations in the message confirm the machine was correct and the hand cancel was set incorrectly.
Edited 03-17-2019 12:46 PM
379
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-16-2019
07:45 PM PT (US)

16 March 1877

Basel 16 March, border transit 16 March (red), to Puteaux-Seine, France, 17 March.
Verso: Forwarded Puteaux 2E 17 March 77, received Neuilly-s-Seine 4E 17 March, attempted delivery 3E 18 March. Refused and returned Neuilly-s-Seine 18 March, transit Paris 18 March, transit Paris Etranger 18 March. Received Basel 19 March.

Registered UPU letter 25 centimes to France plus 20 centimes registration.

Each country used a different system of marking returned mail.

The French authorities issued each post office a hand stamp identified by a unique office number:
            RETOUR A L’ENVOYER
                      2635
These were used for decades without change until the 1960’s.

France was consistant in having all handwritten return markings on the reverse of postal items.
378
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-15-2019
02:43 PM PT (US)

15 March 1904 -

Lausanne to Reims, France. International postcard 10 centimes using 5 2 centimes stamps. The regulation was for one cancel for each stamp, and one date stamp clear of the postage stamps. In this case the Lausanne razor canceler was used.
Edited 03-15-2019 02:44 PM
377
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-14-2019
10:25 AM PT (US)

14 March 1871

A simple domestic 10 centimes tueblibrief from Aarburg to Burgdorf.
376
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-13-2019
12:45 PM PT (US)

March 13 1890

13 March 1890 from Rüthi bei Riggesberg, transit Bern 13 March, received Luzern 15 March.
Domestic registered letter, 10 centimes postage plus 10 centimes registration.

The Bains du Gurnigel, a 560 bed hotel, was owned by Johann Jacob Hauser, father of the three Hauser brothers who owned the Hotel Schweizerhof in Luzern. This letter was sent to his surviving son, Adolf Hauser-Spath, possibly a personal private letter.

The photo is of Adolph, the recipient of the letter.
375
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-12-2019
01:53 PM PT (US)

12 March 1918

Bern to Lauterbrunnen, received 13 March.
Nachnahme to collect 19.35 Francs. 15 centimes for domestic letter, plus 20 centimes to collect 10 > 20 francs.
Total 35 centimes.

Refused with note in purple pencil -
"Zurück: W. Zimmermann geld am Montag geschickt"
"Return: Zimmermann sent money on Monday!

Monday was March 11 the day before this request was mailed.
374
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-11-2019
02:59 PM PT (US)

A trio of different times and uses for 11 March.

1867 - Bern to Basel. Nachnahme demand for 31.50 francs.
2 centimes printed matter rate plus 40 centimes to collect 30-40francs = total 42 centimes.

1904 - St Gallen [razor cancel] to Tenerife, Canary Islands. International printed matter rate for up to 50 gms.

1912 - Wil-Konstanz-Wil Bahnpost to Bombay, India. International post card rate 10 centimes.
373
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-10-2019
11:38 AM PT (US)

10 March 1875

Nachnahme letter from Goldbach to Rohrbach, domestic letter 10 centimes plus 10 centimes to collect 50 centimes! Transited Burgdorf.
372
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-09-2019
03:03 PM PT (US)

9 March 1911

A nice example of the Lausanne razor cancel on a block of 20 - 100 centimes postage due. Probably used for interdepartmental accounting.
371
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-08-2019
12:50 PM PT (US)

8 March 1903

Kristiania [Oslo], Norway to Geneva, received 8 March using Rue du Stand razor cancel, sent out for delivery and redirected by the carrier [Facteurs] 9 march, leaving Rue du Stand 9 March [top razor cancel]. Uprated domestic postal card.
370
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-07-2019
12:19 PM PT (US)

7 March 1868

Neuchatel to Engis, Belgium. 30 centimes pre-UPU rate.
One of the early rotating date wheel cancelers made by Güller.
369
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-06-2019
08:00 PM PT (US)

6 March 1908

A nice Zürich fahrpost razor canceler on a nachnahme cover to Saignelégier.
10 centimes postage plus 10 centimes to collect under 10 francs.

For the record the three posts below are another ID I use for another baord and mistakenly posted using that ID.

Roger
Edited 03-06-2019 08:01 PM
368
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
03-05-2019
12:35 PM PT (US)

5 March

1867 - Originated Genoa, Italy, hand carried and posted in Bellinzona. Saving of 20 centimes. We have no iddea if this was a regular occurance for this correspondence, or a one time event.

1901 - Luzern (razor cancel) to Tientsin, China, forwarded to Tongku, via Hong Kong 3 April, Shanghai 6 April, received Tongku German Post Office 14 April. The recipient was a member of a post card exchange society and I have cards addressed to him prior to his deployment to China and after his return. He went as part of the German contingent to fight in the Boxer Rebellion.
367
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2019
04:14 PM PT (US)

4 March 1908

Letter from Alexandria, Egypt, received Bern 4 March. Date stamp is deCoppet razor canceler type 4.04. There are fewer than 10 known uses of this devices as a receiving mark between 1908- 1914. It was primarily used on outgoing mail. Sometimes it pays to ask for scans of the back of itmes, or for sellers to always scan both sides when selling postal history cards and covers!
366
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2019
10:16 AM PT (US)
The letter is a local letter to Herren Zehnder, Bramberg [a district of Luzern.]

Quite possibly to this family, since the Hotel De la Paix was opened in 1912 and the letter was sent by a general "consumer" supplier.
https://www.de-la-paix.ch/en/About-us

A street called Brambergstrasse runs right through the district.
365
Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2019
09:38 AM PT (US)
It is likely that the last line was for a post office in a town such as "Bramberg 1 in Neuenegg" just 40 mikes west of Lucern.
However, there are towns with that name also in Austria (within state of Salzburg) and Germany (Bavaria).

Most likely the 5c postage will be Switzerland only. Today the "zip code" for the Bramberg post office will be quite different.
The name of the addressee is not clear (upper left line) but the next line "Gebrüder" stands for Brothers.
Let me know if this makes sense...
364
SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2019
04:15 AM PT (US)

I wonder if anyone can help to identify the destination of this cover? It was posted in February 1912 from Luzern. The 5 centimes rate suggests it was either a local letter or sent outside the country as printed matter.
363
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
03-03-2019
01:56 PM PT (US)

3 March 1872

Bern to the Honorable D.W. Yulee, Fernandina, Florida. 50 centimes pre-UPU rate to USA.

Interesting history about this man can be found here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Levy_Yulee
362
fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
03-02-2019
01:18 PM PT (US)

2 March

1899 Apples, Switzerland, to Paris.
Entered mail stream at Apples station on the Regional Biere-Morges railway. 10 centimes international postcard rate.

1905 Nottingham, England to Aarau [due to unclear handwriting misdirected to St Imier prior to Aarau], then forwarded to Zürich. 3d, 1 1/2d plus 1/2d = 5d total for international double weight letter.
361
SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
03-01-2019
05:49 AM PT (US)

1st March.
I live in Wales. 1st March is the day we celebrate the life of our patron saint, Dewi Sant (St. David). This printed matter wrapper links Wales and Switzerland.
It was originally posted in Liverpool on 1st September 1894 and addressed, rather optimistically, to Bale with no additional information. Unsurprisingly, the postal authorities did not immediately recognise the destination and the cover was missent to Bala in Wales. Someone there worked it out, added Switzerland in red ink to the front of the cover, and forwarded it on the 2nd September. The receiving mark of Basel on the rear of the wrapper shows it reached its destination on the 4th.
360
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-28-2019
11:47 AM PT (US)

29 February 1869

A fun letter because there was no February 29 in 1869. There was a Feb 29 in 1868.
A back date stamp shows this letter transited Aarau 27 February and arrived Rome 3 March.

The error was in the clerk looking at his device and mistakingly setting the date as 29 instead of 26.

Pre-UPU international letter to the border of the Papal States. 35 centimes/ 10 gm, with 20 centissimi collected from recipient.
359
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-28-2019
11:41 AM PT (US)

28 February 1887

Zürich to Montreux nachnahme card to collect 3.15fr. - refused.
Postage 5 centimes plus 10 centimes to collect under 10Fr.
358
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2019
06:05 PM PT (US)
Hi,

Oh, well. It didn't seem right to me that it took seven months to issue a stamp for the rate that started 1 January.

I missed that 1918 printing.

Here's confusion in July 1918 relating to a 5 centimes post card which required postage due.
http://www.rogerheath.com/~thernsp2/roger/...e2015/4_page09.html
357
SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2019
05:56 PM PT (US)
Hi Roger,

I also suspect the card is philatelic, it somehow feels that way. I shall continue to look for a FDI from Geneva. The 7.5c issued on July 19 was the type II (138II). However 138III had been issued on 1 January 1918. When the 7.5c. was overprinted with 5c. in January 1921 there were very few 138III left in stock which is probably why they were catalogued at £8,000 SF in 1992 compared with 0.50 SF for the overprinted 138II!

Iwan
356
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2019
05:46 PM PT (US)

27 February 1868

Schaffhausen to Berlingen "AFFR.INSUF." [insufficient franking]. The first weight was up to 10gms, second weight to 250gms. This letter weighs 13gms, therefore, overweight for single weight letter. I believe at this time if a letter was underfranked that no credit was given for the stamp on the letter and the full amount collected from the recipient in this case 20 centimes.
355
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2019
05:33 PM PT (US)
HI,

The 2 1/2 centimes stamps were first issued 31 December 1917, which was a Sunday. So Monday, January 1, was probably the first day they could be bought at the post office and used correctly. Your card was posted Tuesday, January 2.

I think it unlikely that a major post office didn't have the stamps available for purchase on the first day, therefore, I personally think your card philatelic. A true test would be to find first day items posted from Geneva with the correct 2 1/2 centimes stamps used to uprate a card. Or, send your card for expertizing in Switzerland.
It is interesting that according to Zumstein Specialized [1992] the 7 1/2 centimes stamp wasn't issued until July 19 1918.
354
SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2019
05:19 PM PT (US)

Thanks again Roger for your comments on the postage due. I have an interest in the 1918 - 1920 internal rate of 7.5 c. for postcards. Perhaps this card will be of interest. It was posted from Geneva on 2 January 1918, the day after the rate was introduced. The additional 2.5 c. to make up the rate was achieved by a bisected 5c. tell boy. Is it likely that Geneva had no 2.5 stamps or is it perhaps a "philatelic" item produced by a collector?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-26-2019
10:08 AM PT (US)

26 February 1880

Luzern to Ebikon, domestic registered letter. 10 centimes postage plus 20 centimes registration paid for using 2 x 15 centimes stamps.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-23-2019
07:52 PM PT (US)

23 February 1905

Top - Letter from Betzau-Bregenz to Zürich. Receiving date stamp is a Güller test device shown on the first page of Güller's proof book which was started for de Coppet style mechanisms. The Zürich Briefträger III device was issued to a carrier for his receiving mark, in this case to place on postage due stamp.

The rate should have been 25 heller, so short 5 heller [5 centimes] international mail added a penalty equal to the shortage, therefore, 10 centimes postage due.

Lower - 5 centimes postal card Basel to Zürich. 23 February 1901. This Basel canceler was de Coppet's answer to mechanical problems with the first series. This visual style of broad hachures was characteristic of this series.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-22-2019
07:41 PM PT (US)
I think the clerk would have looked at the card, which should have been 7 1/2 centimes - rounded that up to 10 and doubled it as unfranked.
It was posted in a regular post office or letter box, missing the military mail stream, proven by the Geneva machine cancel.

If postage due was 15 centimes, there were 5 and 10 centimes stamps available. The last 1 centimes postage dues were printed in 1910.

Roger
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SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
02-22-2019
06:17 PM PT (US)
Thank you for the responses to the postage due query (posting 344). The lack of any military handstamp seems to support the suggestion that the postal clerk considered the card to be unfranked. The doubling of the 7.5 c rate to 15 c & rounding up seems the most probable explanation for the 20 c postage due charge. However, was such rounding up a common practice? Perhaps the 15 c postage due had not yet been issued.
Edited 02-22-2019 06:23 PM
348
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-22-2019
12:56 PM PT (US)

22 February 1876

Local printed matter from Gelterkinden to Ormalingen, 1.8km apart.
Edited 02-22-2019 12:57 PM
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George StrublePerson was signed in when posted
02-21-2019
08:32 PM PT (US)
As I understand it, free military franking was available to soldiers for mail to their families, and to family members for mail to them. Mail FROM a soldier would be mailed through a clerk in his unit, who used a rubber stamp identifying the unit to confirm eligibility. Mail TO a soldier showed the address of his unit, so that was easily identified.


George
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-21-2019
02:40 PM PT (US)

21 February 1898

5 centimes postal card from St Imier [straight line] to La Chaux-de-Fonds, approximately 15.5km.
Canceler issued 1896 and used until 1904. This was a 30 km railway between La Chaux-de Fonds and Sonceboz.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-21-2019
12:56 PM PT (US)
Here's a guess.
I believe to obtain the military free mail an item had to be posted at a military facility.
The card was marked "military" but deposited in a mail box or at the Geneva post office, thus the machine cancelation.

Since it never entered the military mail stream, it appears the clerk considered it as unfranked. An unfranked distance letter at the time was 30 centimes postage due. I could not find the postage fee for an unfranked post card, but 20 centimes make sense since unfranked was double stamped mail, and in this case appears to be rounded up to 20 centimes.
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SwisdirPerson was signed in when posted
02-21-2019
11:18 AM PT (US)

Hi, have been following the board for a while and have just posted my membership form to AHPS secretary.
Can somebody help with this card? It was posted in Geneva on 30 May 1920 and arrived in Trogen next day. Script in top right corner suggests a military connection and poster probably expected free passage. However, it was charged 20c on arrival. 20c applied in writing twice and postage due stamp for that ammount applied. I believe that internal rate for postcards was 7.5 c. at this time so why 20c postage due?
Edited 02-21-2019 06:05 PM
343
cherylganzPerson was signed in when posted
02-20-2019
01:39 PM PT (US)
Thanks Roger! I had seen one with an extra 30 to pay registration. Clearly, many collectors just guessed at how much to add! Now the quest for the correct rates...
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-20-2019
12:50 PM PT (US)
HI Cheryl, Welcome to the Board.

My 1992 Zumstein Specialized shows Swiss international registration rate as 30 centimes, in effect starting 1/7/1930 - 1/3/1948

Roger
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cherylganzPerson was signed in when posted
02-20-2019
12:31 PM PT (US)
I need the Liechtenstein registration rate for May 1936. I looked at Hindenburg mail online but most are over franked so that both zeppelin stamps could be used. In my search, I found 4 covers with 30 registration rate added and 5 with 40 added to cover registration. My two Swiss catalogs do not give registration rates.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-20-2019
10:53 AM PT (US)

20 February 1875

Top - Postal card from Vevey to Bruxelles. 5 centimes postal card uprated with two 5 centimes stamps to pay special pre-UPU rate from Switzerland. Fewer than 15 examples of this rate exist, so a tatty example is not bad!

lower - Bern to Stuttgart-Berg, 1914 National Exposition postal card with machine cancel promoting the exposition. Card originated at the Swiss National Railway Goods Tarif Department.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-19-2019
12:46 PM PT (US)

19 February 1876

Neuchatel to Warsaw, at the time part of Russia. Received 10 February Julian calendar.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-16-2019
04:27 PM PT (US)


16 February 1889

Neat card to Nova Scotia, Canada with very early Hotel Schweizerhof date stamp, via London on 18th. No receiving marks. This card has an early lithographed image of the hotel on the other side.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-15-2019
05:33 PM PT (US)

15 February 1911

Nachnahme [collect] card from Lausanne to Unterehrendingen, received 17 February.

5 centimes postage plus 10 centimes to collect under 10Fr.

Lausanne Consig. Mess. razor cancel.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-14-2019
01:20 PM PT (US)

14 February 1909

Hotel Schweizerhof, Luzern to Long Riston, Hull, England.

"We are here on our way to Rome. . . . .only staying in Bologna en route. . . . We tobogganed down a hill over 2 miles long last week in just 10 minutes, it took one hour to go up it!"
Edited 02-14-2019 01:22 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-13-2019
05:54 PM PT (US)

13 February 1908

Lausanne to Posen, Germany. Attempted delivery, noted in pencil top left "Firma geschlossen 15/2", retour 15/2 including German UPU label - business closed, it doesn't exist.

Included is an ad for the sending business which I found in an Edinburgh Medical Journal. If you wanted a close shave, this was the company to contact.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-12-2019
12:21 PM PT (US)

12 February 1910

Bellinzona 2pm, to Bern, forwarded from Bern 14 February 10am to Herisau.
Free postcard for military personnel on active duty.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-11-2019
01:34 PM PT (US)

11 February 1874

Zurich to Paris, transit Belfort, 12 February. Small business sticker to seal envelope, Orell Füslli, Zurich.

30 centimes pre-UPU rate for letter to France paid using 5 centimes Tüblibrief plus 25 centimes stamp. Boxed "PD" indicates paid to destination.

From Wikipedia -
"Orell Füssli is a Swiss printing and bookselling company, established by Christoph Froschauer in the 16th century.

At the end of the 18th century it was notable for its bookshop in Zürich. It specialized in disseminating literature of the French Enlightenment by means of written orders through the publishing house Société typographique de Neuchâtel (STN), which was known to print banned books.

From 1793 to 1794, Orell Füssli published Marianne Ehrmann's Die Einsiedlerinn aus den Alpen, the first magazine published by a woman in Switzerland.[1]

A descendant company, Orell Füssli Filialen, still exists.[2]

Orell Füssli has printed some of Switzerland's banknotes for the Swiss National Bank since 1911."
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-09-2019
02:51 PM PT (US)
Stanley - Browser
"brows·er Dictionary result for browser

1. a person who looks casually through books or magazines or at things for sale.
2. a program with a graphical user interface for displaying HTML files, used to navigate the World Wide Web."

This is a Swiss stamp chat board. If you have any other questions about philately - ask. Please realize that using all caps is difficult to read and has for over 20 years on the internet been considered shouting!

Not sure what help you need related to stamp collecting.

BTW - I'm the manager of this chat, so please respect the purpose of this board.

Roger
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-07-2019
12:09 PM PT (US)

Hello Raul,

I enjoy postal history as well and I'm always on the lookout for interesting items of all eras.

A cover I could have posted yesterday is this 6 February 1919 which has a soldier stamp applied which matches the imprinted return address in St Maurice. The cover shows how the stamp were intended to be used as a decorative addition to ordinary mail.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-07-2019
12:05 PM PT (US)

7 February 1874 / 1880

top - Collect letter from Bern to Ortschwaben. Refused, returned for Ortschwaben 10 February, received Bern 10 February. Domestic letter 10 centimes + 10 centimes to collect under 10 francs.

Starting in 1872 postal carriers obtained addressee's signatures to confirm no money had been collected by the carrier. Carriers were expected to account for all money collected during their deliveries and in previous years this sometimes came into question whether money was paid or not. Therefore, the signatures of the person refusing delivery.
["Refusiert xxx Walther" in script on oval marking lower left of cover.]

Lower - A receipt to confirm a registered letter had been delivered. 20 centimes in reality paid postage each way for this confirmation. In this case within Zurich. There are many trilingual Empfangschein found through the years but this also includes English which is much less common.
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
02-07-2019
11:47 AM PT (US)
To Retorix I am quite interested about Swiss postal history. This is such a broad field... Your daily notes teach me about items I might run across in the future. None of these will make me a fortune, but these might be kept in mind when shuffling lots of dealer's covers. Personally most of the times I am "hunting" for better items (who isn't?). The probabilities are loaded against us "hunters" though. And I am a strong believer on how statistics are involved in about everything we do in life. But "hunters" need to develop broader know how, as this is indispensable. I do appreciate your input although a daily dose usually makes me look for the portal for "messages for Philately of Switzerland".

STANLEY The current portal URL is https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/qdRWHrshP637

And to access the portal for the American Helvetia Philatelic Society (AHPS) go to
http://swiss-stamps.org
This will take one to many interesting areas, from general to specialized...
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STANLEY PolchinskiPerson was signed in when posted
02-07-2019
11:09 AM PT (US)
One, what is browser? Me, has no idea.
Two, msg sent was just an info ? Notice? OF some thing in my hand rite now & has 2 b returned I SAY - TODAY!
TRYING TO BE INFORMATIVE. NOTHING ELSE.
DO NOT EVEN KNOW IF ANY OF YOUR MEMBERS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE LOT. SORRY IF I AM ANY SORT OF BOTHER. Stan 914 294 8279.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-06-2019
01:41 PM PT (US)

6 February 1935 - Chur

The „Julierpost”
In February 1935, Swiss Post planned a trial winter crossing over the Julier Pass (Julier to Lenzerheide) as a public relations event. The occasion was the 4th Academic Winter Games in St. Moritz. The event was advertised extensively and many stamp collectors posted their letters and cards with partly ‘wild’ franking to obtain the special cancellation. So all Julier Post pieces are philatelic items.
Since the trip on 4th February had to be postponed due to a storm, the mail was postmarked with an additional three-line delay handstamp (Chur in blue, St. Moritz in black).
For processing the large volume of mail (13,000 pieces were transported from Chur to St. Moritz and 16,000 from St. Moritz to Chur) additional clerks and cancellers were needed. So the Chur 5.04 canceller, lying in a drawer for five years, was brought out and used for the cancellation of some of these letters.
Edited 02-06-2019 01:42 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-05-2019
07:36 PM PT (US)

5 February 1906 - Bern to Lyon, France. International postcard.

A German made canceler used in Switzerland - hammer canceler.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-01-2019
12:23 PM PT (US)

1 February 1901

Biel/Bienne to Geneve. Domestic postcard.
Nice advertising card with receiving razor cancel Rue du Stand post office, and addressee's date stamp, 1 February. Mailed and delivered the same day, probably wouldn't happen today!
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-31-2019
02:39 PM PT (US)

31 January 1866

Ambulant Circulaire No3 to Hay, Wales. The letter was posted at the Veytaux train station [straight line mark].
International letter 50 centimes.

Today Hay-on-Wye is a small town but a huge book collectors paradise. There are many, many booksellers in this town.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-30-2019
06:28 PM PT (US)

30 January 1937

 
Escholzmatt to Steinhusen, Walhusen.
Nachnahme card requesting 3Fr for ½ year subscription. Escholzmatt to Steinhusen, Walhusen.
This is not a collect by postman, therefore, postcard postage 20 centimes.
Refused!

Unusual stamp for this service.
315
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-28-2019
02:15 PM PT (US)

28 January 1915

First day of issues for the surcharged 1 on 2centimes, and the 13 on 12 is listed as issued 29 January.
A local letter within Arbon, probably by a stamp collector since the franking, 32 centimes, does not match any normal rate.
314
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-27-2019
10:56 AM PT (US)

27 January 1870

Chur to Neuchâtel
Probably a dues request to a Member of the Swiss Forestry Association.
Printed matter including receipt for Fr5.12
Domestic postage 2 centimes, 10 centimes to collect under 10Fr.
313
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-26-2019
12:25 PM PT (US)

26 January 1877

Baden to OberEngstringen [population 322 in 1888].
Newspaper subscription request Fr6.20 plus 20 centimes fee. Domestic postage 10 centimes, plus 10 centimes to collect under 10 Francs.
312
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-25-2019
01:49 PM PT (US)

25 January 1866

Zurich to Zurzach District Office.
Domestic double weight letter. Block of four 5 centimes stamps.
311
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-24-2019
01:17 PM PT (US)

24 January 1873

Domestic postal card uprated for use to Berlin.

Countries that accepted postal cards at this time were Austria and the German States, then later Belgium, Rumania, and the USA at varying rates until July 1875, when a standard rate was determined and postal cards were accepted by many more countries.

There were no Swiss 10 centimes cards available for international use until April 1874.
310
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-22-2019
12:04 PM PT (US)

22 January 1873

Domestic letter Geneve to Crédit Mutuel de la Vallée, Sentier. Ten centimes domestic letter.
"Crédit Mutuel de la Vallée SA is an independent regional bank created in 1865." 2015 being the bank's 150th anniversary.
309
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-21-2019
11:01 AM PT (US)

21 January 1868

International letter from Chaux-de-Fonds to Paris.
30 centimes paid to destination.
308
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-19-2019
02:34 PM PT (US)
John,
No. International had a penalty equal to the shortage. So if short 5 centimes, + penalty 5 centimes. 10 centimes collected. Must have been marked by the country of origin that "tax" was due.

Domestic - shortage collected.
307
Postage DuesPerson was signed in when posted
01-19-2019
01:08 AM PT (US)
Roger,

So, not subject to double-deficiency?

John
306
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-19-2019
12:38 AM PT (US)
Hi John,

It was an attempt at sending printed matter at the old rate. The sender appears to have uprated it for an item weighing 50>250gms, rate = 5 centimes,

BUT

January 1, 1921 the under 50gms rate increased to 5 centimes and the rate increased from 5 to 10 centimes for 50 -250 gms. The date on your item appears to be May 31, 1921. Your wrapper was, therefore, short 5 centimes.
305
Postage DuesPerson was signed in when posted
01-18-2019
09:21 PM PT (US)

Hello everyone,

Here is another taxed item that I am trying to decipher.

Why was it deficient?

Thanks for your help.


John
Edited 01-18-2019 09:22 PM
304
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-18-2019
12:44 PM PT (US)

18 January 1859

Registered letter Grosswangen, via Luzern to Baar. [red squiggle marks confirm registration in Luzern area]
Red ink used to cross out Baar as this was "not accepted", see lower left "nicht angenommen".
Letter returned to Grosswangen.
Postage 10 centimes, registration 10 centimes.
303
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-17-2019
02:18 PM PT (US)

17 January 1929
Most likely a dues request from the Men's Choir, Lausanne, to a member in the La Sallaz district of Lausanne.
10 centimes local letter, 20 centimes to collect Fr5 - 20.

This was refused the next day and returned to the sender.
302
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2019
01:45 PM PT (US)

16 January 1877 -

Local registered letter from Nidau to Safnern, via Bienne.
5 centimes local letter postage, plus 20 centimes registration rate in effect 1 September 1876 to 1 November 1884.
301
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-15-2019
12:27 PM PT (US)

15 January 1909 -

Zürich to Walzenhausen, subscription to ornithology and rabbit breeding newspaper.

Printed matter card, 2 centimes postage plus 10 centimes to collect under 10 francs.
299
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-14-2019
12:36 PM PT (US)

14 January 1874

A very interesting postal card.

This was mailed in Geneva for London, transit Basel. It has no writing or printing on the reverse side, therefore, was not a letter, which would have required 30 centimes postage at the time. GB did not recognize a discount for post cards but this was accepted as printed matter! My guess is that this could have been sent as a sample, possibly for a publication article about postal cards.

The story - As a 17 year-old Richard Senf opened a stamp shop in Leipzig, but he was not old enough to own a business. He and his brother bought a company in London and used that for business purposes. They published price lists for stamps. His company was " H. Wernick, & Co., London. SE England ". In later years the Senf Brothers conducted a stamp business until about 1910.
298
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-13-2019
06:26 PM PT (US)

January 13 1915 -

International Reply Coupon issued in Lausanne, not redeemed. Razor cancel of the Lausanne Consig. Lett. Office. [Letter Acceptance Division]
297
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-12-2019
12:54 PM PT (US)

12 January 1911

Post card from Petit Lancy, a section of Geneva to In Salah [March 3], Algeria, via Biskra. In Salah is about 1200km south of Biskra.
296
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-11-2019
03:07 PM PT (US)

January 11

Top - 1868 - Zürich domestic letter to Aarau. Zürich “Elziver” canceler, serifed font and date.

In 1866 Güller & Cie of Hüttikon, near Zürich, made the first rotating date wheel cancelers for the Swiss PTT. This design made it easy for clerks to change not only the day-month-year, but also the hour, with no more trouble than a slight pause in their work to rotate the appropriate wheel. There were no number slugs to handle and lose. Many font combinations are found during the nineteenth century.

Lower - 1894 - Portuguese 20 Reis postal card addressed to Aarau, Switzerland.
Portugal first received 68 cancelers in May 1882 from Swiss manufacturer Güller. Before the decade was over Güller had made hundreds of cancelers for Portugal and its colonies, all with the rounded-rectangle date bridge. Both the Vimieiro, Portugal, and Aarau cancelers were made by Güller.
295
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-05-2019
03:41 PM PT (US)

January 5

Top - 5 centimes postal card uprated for international use. Mailed from Schwanden 1883, addressed to Padang, Dutch East Indies via Naples and Suez. Backstamped Weltevedren 2 February ( which was the government district of Batavia, present day Jakarta) receiving date stamp on front Padang 18 February. Total of 44 days transit!

Lower - Postcard from Lausanne 1904 with razor cancel to Batum, Georgia at the eastern end of the Black Sea. During this time period the port was a trans-shipment point for Russian oil being exported around the world from fields near Baku, Azerbaijan.
I bought this card on eBay from a seller who lived in Turkey about 50 miles southwest of Batumi. It did not come from dealer stock!
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-04-2019
07:17 PM PT (US)

sorry I used the wrong sign-in

I thought I'd continue my items of the day for a while. Maybe other collectors will locate items within their collections that match the date of posting.

4 January 1882
Interesting use of the 20 centimes Sitting Helvetia on nachnahme card from Sion to St Maurice.
5 centimes postage for domestic postal card, plus 10 centimes per 10 francs to collect 11.25Francs = total 25 centimes
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-01-2019
04:00 PM PT (US)

Happy New Year Everyone

These are two of my January 1 items.

Top - Post card imprinted Carte Postale which as seen should have had a 5 centimes stamp. The sender wanted the card to go at the printed matter rate, 2 centimes, which allowed 5 words on the "message" side. To obtain this rate the sender needed to cross out the "carte postale" and write "imprimé" which means printed matter. This was not done, therefore, the card was 3 centimes short which can be seen in blue pencil beneath the top postage due stamp. I liked the idea that the January 1 Lausanne date was repeated by the use of the 1 centimes stamps.

Lower - A domestic postal card sent from Santiago, Chile, to Valpariso. The receiving cancel is dated 1 January 1898. This canceler was made by Swiss manufacturer Güller, therefore, has the month in Roman numerals which was typical from that factory.
291
George ValbyPerson was signed in when posted
12-27-2018
08:41 AM PT (US)
Kevin (post 289):
These are Franco labels, used by the post office to indicate the mail was postage free. There were five versions from 1911 to 1962.
George
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George ValbyPerson was signed in when posted
12-27-2018
08:33 AM PT (US)
Kevin, (post 288):
This is a precursor to the Pro Juventute class of semi-postal stamps. These were issued in 1912 in 3 currencies (10 rappen, 10 centimes, and 10 centesimi, corresponding to the 3 languages). The one you show is the 10 Rp, which is the most common of the 3. The others, especially the Italian language version, have been subject to forgery. The catalog value for this stamp is 7 SFr in hinged, 15 SFr in never hinged, (and 240 Sfr in cancelled, but cancels have also been forged.)
289
Kevin HudsonPerson was signed in when posted
12-27-2018
02:03 AM PT (US)

Here is the second type of stamp I need help to identify.
288
Kevin HudsonPerson was signed in when posted
12-27-2018
02:02 AM PT (US)

Going through the old collection I received, I have so far been unable to identify two types of stamps. This is the first one. What is it?
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2018
10:39 PM PT (US)
Kevin

You are asking questions that are almost impossible to answer without knowing fairly well the contents of both the Swiss and Canadian collections (these two countries have many collectors in the U.S.). Are you a stamp collector, or just somebody who ended with a fairly unknown item in your hands ? This is fairly common. Most amateur collections might have a low value, but sometimes you might have something valuable that required a knowledgeable owner a long time to build his collection. If one goes to a stamp auction these days one will find a fairly large number of country collections that will sell at low prices. It might also happen that somebody already went through the collection and removed the more valuable items (that also is common).

The best approach is to find a serious collector of Swiss and of Canadian stamps and ask for their opinion. In my case I am well over the hill and nobody in my family cares about stamp collecting. I already sold the bulk of the better material starting 20 years ago - the best in Switzerland auctions and the remaining in US auctions.

You should also be aware that in the last 5-10 years there has been a great collapse in what can be obtained in auctions. Nowadays only exceptional material can draw better prices, and the rest might now sell at 10-30% of earlier years. It looks like young people are no longer interested in stamp collecting, and old timers are saturating the stamp market before prices drop even more. The law of offer and demand causes prices to drop even more (causing something close to panic?).

The versed collectors you ought to approach - in addition to be able to understand well the value of items - should also be able to know what is a good place to offer items, and how to present them. Perhaps you could mention what large cities are close to you, and there might be members of nearby Swiss or Canadian societies that could help you. You could also ask reliable stamps dealers for their opinion but they are not specialists. They might prefer a fast sale that does not require much work.

About the album with unused stamps, you might be lucky if you find somebody in Switzerland who is willing to pay 60-70% of face value if the stamps have never been hinged (and preferably adding to at least 500 dollars. A Swiss frank is essentially equal to 1 US dollar). The Swiss stamps after 1960 have unlimited validity and can be used as postage (it would take a good amount of time to arrange the stamps by face value and the lower values would be a drag).

Be careful trying to alter the collections. Do not hinge never-hinged stamps. Do NOT remove stamps from letters as some stamped letters might be valuable. Make sure that they are never placed in a basement or an attic. Do not try to pull stamps that are partially stuck to paper or to other stamps.

Wish you luck, and you will need it.
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Kevin HudsonPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2018
09:14 PM PT (US)

Switzerland collection

I have been a long-time U.S. and Canada collector of stamps and coins. An uncle recently left me his Switzerland stamp collection, much of it pictured above. Since I have more than enough other things to keep me busy, I want to liquidate this collection.

First of all, do you have an suggestions for dealers?

Secondly, if any of you have "holes" in you collections to fill, I'd be glad to see if I have examples for you.

There are 3 albums (2 shown), two of which have mixes of canceled and unused stamps. One album has only unused stamps.

The boxes of glassines contain Regular Issues #7-1091, B201-B620, and International Series 2O, 3O, 4O, 5O, 7O, 8O, 9O, 10O, 11O. All the glassines are in order, and there are gaps in the series. Note also that there are many duplicates of stamps, both unused and canceled.

Please contact me if you have a good dealer recommendation, or if you have an interest in any particular stamps or set.

Best regards,
Kevin
kevin.r.hudson@gmail.com
Edited 12-13-2018 09:33 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-28-2018
02:28 PM PT (US)
I've had an email from Raul that has more information about "T" postage dues cancels.

/m257

He added new information within that post and wants to make sure everyone sees it.

Anyone using this chat board can use the back slash then the letter "m" with the post number one is referring to which creates an internal link to that post. It avoids confusion when the board is more active.
283
Postage DuesPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2018
02:02 AM PT (US)
Roger,

There is another '25' under the framed circular T at the bottom left, the boxed instruction in purple is South African, 'INSUFFICIENTLY PREPAID / ONVOLDOENDE GEFRANKEER'.

Thanks again,


John
282
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2018
01:24 AM PT (US)

Hi John,

I've circled the noted weight "25g" with the 3d hand stamp on top. The other "25" you see on the right and under the left circle "T" are the tax due 25 centimes. The third arrow under the par avion etiquette points to the faint "insufficient postage"
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Postage DuesPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2018
11:36 PM PT (US)
Roger,

Thank you so much for your prompt reply.

It looks as though the air mail calculation was correct but the second 20g letter weight step was missed.

The centimes to South African conversion I do on my own! The conversion rate from July 1948 was 1 penny = 8 centimes, rounded down from the 25 centimes shown.

John
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2018
08:40 PM PT (US)
Hello Postage Dues,

I tried to figure this out using Zumstein Specialized catalogue. This is what I get:
International letter rate first 20g = 40 centimes, second 20g = 25 centimes : total = 65 centimes
Airmail surcharge 60 centimes per 5g increment for 25g letter = Fr3.00
Total for letter = Fr3.65

Franked Fr3.40 - makes it 25 centimes short paid.

Problem is I don't know the international international exchange rate between Switzerland and South Africa during this period.

Maybe someone else can add to this question.

Roger
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Postage DuesPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2018
06:10 PM PT (US)

Hello and thanks for this chat room.

I have recently acquired this cover sent from Interlaken to Johannesburg in 1948.

Can anyone point me to a reference to postal rates for Swiss mail? I'm trying to determine why it was taxed.

Thank you.
Edited 11-16-2018 06:56 PM
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Art ZieglerPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2018
02:17 PM PT (US)

First page of stamps that range in year from 1936-1957
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Art ZieglerPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2018
02:16 PM PT (US)

Booklet Content
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Art ZieglerPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2018
02:15 PM PT (US)

Inside Message
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Art ZieglerPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2018
02:14 PM PT (US)

I have a unique booklet of Swiss stamps that states "to the Members of the Junior Diplomats' Tour of Switzerland as a personal souvenir of their trip 28 December 1957 - 6 January 1958 with the compliments of the Director General of PTT" I tis a lovely book of mint stamps depicting Swiss landscapes and communication themes from 1936-1957.
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
08-22-2018
10:13 AM PT (US)
okbigguy

Might be a post office in "Baden-Schwertstrasse" in canton Aargau. It is not unusual for many old post offices to be eliminated. Just a semi-educated guess...

Where is the letter coming from? That seems to be high postage...
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fake newsPerson was signed in when posted
08-22-2018
01:02 AM PT (US)
Hi okbigguy -

The only location I can find close to the name of the destination is Schwendt[stadt], Tirol, Austria. The Schweiz is probably wrong.

The franking could be the clue. Domestic German, special rate to Austria, cross border rate to Austria, rate to Switzerland. Sorry I can't be of more help. I haven't a clue why Baden is included other than it could have been the "Bath" hot springs, etc in town: a specific health/resort building in Schwendt. Good luck.

Reading the origin cancel might help. I can't read it on my screen.
Edited 08-22-2018 01:04 AM
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
08-21-2018
07:20 PM PT (US)

Can anyone tell me the destination of this cover in Switzerland. I cannot find the post office in post office list
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
07-16-2018
10:52 PM PT (US)
George

This seems a typical beginner's page, which would help another beginner so don't throw them again. Some day somebody might want them. Most stamps have minor to median defects and are not suitable for a serious collector. It could be that some minor varieties might be present, but would need a much larger scanning resolution for that.

In general most beginner's material do not have much interest or value, but we all are in the hands of the laws of probabilities, which rarely throw a winning hand. Once I found an interesting stamp and ended selling it in another country for almost 10,000 times more. Odds are like one in a lifetime if one has a great depth, training and lots of luck. That happens in every form of activity, like in research and engineering, or meeting a good friend, etc.

Keep on looking... Raul
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George HouzourisPerson was signed in when posted
07-16-2018
07:41 PM PT (US)

I have come across this page among my father's belongings. It seems quite old. The stamps are actually glued onto the old album page. Can anyone tell me if there is any value or should I just throw them away?
Thank you for any assistance.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-05-2018
01:27 PM PT (US)

And another mailed on the 4th and received and processed in Zürich on 5 July 1906.

The Zürich canceler was made by Güller according to deCoppet's patents. This device was issued 29 September 1903.

Card short paid 5pf. = about 6 ½ centimes + 6 ½ penalty [double shortage] = 13 centimes rounded up to 15 collected.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-05-2018
01:17 PM PT (US)

Thought I'd put something up for 4 July.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06-24-2018
12:40 AM PT (US)
Hi Joel,

Sorry I can't help. There are a couple of Liechtenstein that may be at our national meeting at SEAPEX, Tukwilla, near Seattle in September.

Otherwise I'm not going to encourage you, because those items were created to a collectors market with no consideration for resale.

I did find this as the closest possibility mint sets 1980-84 on eBay. Remember this is asking BIN price your best bet is to look under closed sales. Look for what you have by catalogue number.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Liechtenstein-Sc-...:g:k3EAAOSwo4pYc~j1

My guess is that eBay could be your best bet, but it could take a while.
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Joel MaxmanPerson was signed in when posted
06-17-2018
08:43 AM PT (US)
I have what I believe is a complete collection of Liechtenstein issues from June 1975 through November 1999. The stamps were purchased by subscription from the Postwertzeichstelle der F.R.; all are in original packaging. Each includes one mint stamp and one first-day cover. I would like to sell this collection. Can anyone here advise on the best way to accomplish that? Thank you. joel [at symbol] maxman [dot] net
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06-09-2018
09:03 PM PT (US)

Then there is this which I use on my title page opening my Hotel Schweizerhof exhibit.
The Schweizerhof still exists and is in the same family since they ought it in the early 1860's.

http://www.rogerheath.com/#hotel-schweizerhof-2

This letter was forwarded to the Hotel Baur au Lac, Zürich (built 1844) and still exists. It is still a 5-Star hotel. I guess these fit into the category of hotel items, but most collectors assume a hotel cover must have a hotel stamp, which are usually very expensive. Guess that's why it is a thin area!
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06-09-2018
08:57 PM PT (US)

Hi Raul,

I guess people who collect hotel items choose how they collect. I have always looked out for special items, never knowing how they may eventually fit into a category I accumulate.

This is an 1864 example that I enjoy because then hotel was considered one of the classic hotel industry properties.
Edited 06-09-2018 08:58 PM
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
06-07-2018
02:51 PM PT (US)
Does this count as an old hotel item ? I have seen a number of these type in the past, but it might be that for it to count as Hotel philately it may need to be much earlier (i.e. some 10-20 years).

Is there some additional relevant info in the reverse of that postal card ? I'll keep my eyes open and see if I run across a number of earlier ones. As usual Italian Switzerland are more desirable, as well as a different cancellation. Nice !...
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06-07-2018
12:58 PM PT (US)

June 7 1900 - Postal card sent from the Schweizerhof Hotel, Bellinzona to Eden Hotel, Palanza, Italy.

Bellinzona razor cancel.
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David R S BrownPerson was signed in when posted
05-14-2018
06:04 AM PT (US)
Thank you both for your comments. Alas, none of the stamps is tied to a cover so cannot be proved to be a genuine use but ...

David Brown
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
05-04-2018
09:38 PM PT (US)

David, Roger

My comments below were made on April, 2018. Now we are nearing the end of November, but in the meantime I did receive some comments from P Guinand (a Swiss stamp expert). He mentioned that there are options to get stamps overprinted on demand with the new (since 1956) small and large "T" overprints. A few years ago an American collector residing in the French speaking area (a member of an international group specializing only on SON stamps) was able to get a friendly post office worker to apply an unusual T overprint perfectly centered over a local service stamp. So it would appear that for the type of stamps mentioned by David they should be on a cover with the total face value adding to the postage due amount,

Stamps with T overprints do not seem to attract many collectors, probably for the difficulty of certifying validity. Perhaps stamps with high face value might attract some interest and I might follow that approach in the near future.
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I do also have the 2000 Amateur Collector catalog, and have been intrigued about the two post due cancellations introduced in mid-1955 to replace the conventional post due stamps.

I agree that the narrow period between the introduction of these hand-struck overprints and the expiration date of the 2nd landscape stamps would make those stamps quite unusual. But in the absence of a cover noting clearly what was the total amount of postage due (equal to the face value of all the T-cancelled stamps) they could not be considered a true philatelic item, specially if one considers that those stamps could have been hand-overprinted with the (A) type T cancel in about any post-office in Switzerland over a period of 20-30 years.

The H.L. Katcher catalog is the only one I have seen covering the T-cancels for the period of 1956 to 1987. The catalog mentions catalog values for the (A) and (B) hand overprints for several hundreds stamps, in the range US$ 1 to 30.

Many moons ago I purchased a large group of stamps with the (A) “T in circle” and (B) “Unframed large double-lined T”. These include more than 100 perfect SONs, plus many more not perfectly centered and about 50 on covers. One of the pages is titled “1955-1968 Experimental Postage Dues”. This might be supported by the fact that an SON for the (B) types is quite difficult in stamps of small size, and also because those stamps do not have gum (this is still iffy). The attachment shows a representative group of these (B)-type stamps.

The catalog years of implementation for this practice are not quite clear. We could certainly use opinions from more versed members…

Although respectable auctioneers might not consider hand-overprinted post dues not-on-cover to be legitimate philatelic items, I might offer later a lot to explore the response from collectors of the unusual.
Edited 11-28-2018 01:09 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-04-2018
12:21 PM PT (US)
Hi David, welcome to this chat.

In my 2000 Katcher the comment is made - As all these stamps were invalidated December 31, 1955 and T cancelations were not introduced until that summer, they are extremely rare and prices cannot be quoted."

My guess is that you would need a certificate to prove these marks valid, and being off-cover makes that extremely difficult.

Wait to see if there are more answers.

Roger
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David R S BrownPerson was signed in when posted
05-04-2018
11:03 AM PT (US)

Second Landscape set used for Postage Due.

In the 1987 Amateur Collector catalogue Katcher reported that staps from the second landscape set were postmarked with a "T" in a circle and used as Postage Due stamps. This was for a short time only and such stamps are very rare.

Can anybody tell me anything more please?

Many thanks.
David Brown
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-13-2018
11:48 PM PT (US)

In May my wife and I will be transferring from the train to a bus in Wohlen on our way to Gebenstorf. We'll stay there while visiting Brugg and Thalheim, where her relatives lived prior emigrating to the USA in the early 1850's. This is all new information in her research, so we have the opportunity to see what they left behind.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-29-2018
08:37 PM PT (US)

A card to end the month of March and usher in April.

Originating in Hannover 29 March 1906 [stamp per fin, confirmed by corner card] received Aarau lower left razor cancel 30 March. Postage due 5 centimes added 30 March-9am, attempted delivery, returned to the post office 30 March where the refused label was added dated 30 March-8pm. Returned to Hannover and received 1 April 1906 4-5 am.

The Swiss carrier confirmed the refusal of the card by the addressee.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-22-2018
01:27 AM PT (US)
At our Seattle Area Chapter meeting held last Monday, Fritz Graf told me the name of the special cancel below

22 II 22 - 22 is a "schnapszahl".

Thanks Fritz
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Lopez RobertoPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2018
02:24 AM PT (US)
Hi Retorix,I will be in Lugano for the four days. Your document below is not bad at all. An early utilisation of the sitting Helvetia (First day 02.04.1882) to an exotic destination. Congratulations.
Hope to meet you in Lugano. Best Regards. Roberto Lopez
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
01-13-2018
12:25 PM PT (US)

Local properly franked cover that somehow got diverted to Pontresina and was charger 10c (not the double rate) to return to Basel as domestic posting. Does this seem correct?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-11-2018
04:45 PM PT (US)

Thank you Roberto for confirming my thought.

I'll be in Lugano and hope to meet you and have some interesting talks - cancels, stamps, destinations, etc, etc., also to view your exhibits.

I know one of your interests is destinations and thought you might appreciate this in my collection.

Roger Heath
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Lopez RobertoPerson was signed in when posted
01-11-2018
03:06 AM PT (US)
I want to answer retorix concerning the additional 10cts. It's a registred letter. You found the proof: the registration number at the left side "No 1218".
It's an very interesting cover.
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
12-05-2017
12:19 PM PT (US)

What is the meaning of the marking T 60/70? Was it applied in Switzerland or in France?
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
12-05-2017
11:12 AM PT (US)

Anyone know of the significance of the pink label. Would like to correspond with a person who is knowledgeable in postage due particularity covers.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-28-2017
06:38 PM PT (US)

Anyone have a clue why this collect cover required the additional 10 centimes.

Seems it should have been 10 centimes postage and 10 centimes collect fee for under 10Fr, which is the top calculation. Then 10 centimes was added?

Th only thing I can think of is that would pay for registration and the registration number is on the left "No 1218"
Edited 11-28-2017 07:48 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-26-2017
02:13 PM PT (US)

I've seen many mourning covers in black, but this is the only one I've seen with red trim.

Does anyone have any idea of the significance of red, instead of black?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2017
07:47 PM PT (US)

17 November 1898

While I'm here I can't resist posting what I think is my nicest razor cover.

The posting date was one day AFTER the recall of all cancelers in 1898. The reason it was used was that de Coppet lived in Lausanne and that is where he received the recalled cancelers for some modifications. Of course the Lausanne device didn't need to be sent to Bern only to be sent aback to Lausanne to deCoppet.
Edited 11-18-2017 01:20 AM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2017
06:57 PM PT (US)

Private mail contract Basel to London 1884

I was just researching a folded letter from Basel to Mulhouse, cross-border rate, dated 17 June 1871. The letter had a company rubber stamp in the top left corner - Danzas & Minet. Turns out this was a freight forwarding company originating in France, then moved its headquarters to Basel.

What has me intrigued is within the company history on the company website.

" Rising Swiss prosperity, new mountain tunnels, and rail links enhanced Basel's role as a trade center on the Rhine River at the point where Germany, France, and Switzerland meet. The Danzas company took advantage of this geographic position to forward freight between these countries and to the larger continent beyond. In 1884 Danzas obtained a subcontract from the Swiss post office for international post deliveries. Even at this time, the company was able to guarantee 24-hour Switzerland-to-London postal service."

Has anyone ever heard of this company carrying mail in or out of Switzerland? I'm also wondering if they only carried between Basel and London, or maybe shorter distances from France to London, etc.?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
10-16-2017
06:16 PM PT (US)

Does anyone know the name of this type of cancel? I know it has a special name when the numerals match across the date bridge.

Roger
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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
10-03-2017
03:21 PM PT (US)
Answer to topic 239 by okbigguy

Those labels and similar items are Swiss Meter (machine impressions). These are discussed on a 92 pages Swiss catalog by Heiner Dürst:

Freistempelkatalog Schweiz, 1987. It is probably listed for sale in places as the Swiss eBay. It is not an easy piece of work...

This is a very special topic that probably attracts very few collectors. The above catalog lists some prices, but as so few are looking for these items, they can be obtained at low prices in bourses.

The Swiss postal meters started in 1923. They are in use by post offices and by private business, government and international organizations. There are a number of different mechanical meters. They can be found directly printed on envelopes, or on gummed labels with or without perforations, etc. Most items have low catalog values but a few might be as high as 50-100 SF.
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
10-01-2017
07:31 PM PT (US)

What can you tell me about these labels. Do they have any value?
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WaldoPerson was signed in when posted
09-27-2017
10:27 PM PT (US)
Thank you for the answer, I just leaned something new about Swiss stamps.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-26-2017
10:23 PM PT (US)
There is a combination of two cancels. One is a date bridge cancel appropriate for the 5 centimes stamp before it was cut diagonally. The second is a date slug cancel prior to 1865.

It's a paste up fake. Value = 0
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WaldoPerson was signed in when posted
09-26-2017
09:04 PM PT (US)

I saw this bisect, and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about Swiss bisects, i know that they are mentioned for the 1862 issues, but not for this period. Can anyone tell me anything about it. I'm also curious as to what it's worth. Thanks.
Edited 09-26-2017 09:07 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-17-2017
04:41 PM PT (US)
I can't find the Basel 10 canceler in the proof books, but it obviously exists since is used on the 1931 card below.

A least we answered your original question - what is the text in front of ELIZABETHAN
Answer - FIL.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-16-2017
10:32 PM PT (US)

Interesting - I just found another example of your cancel on Delcampe, but it's 1931. I will look another time soon to see if I can find it later in the proof books.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-16-2017
10:30 PM PT (US)

This is a real puzzle!
The scan shows your cancel and a scan from the proof book that has similarities to your cancel, that I then "adjusted" by erasing lines to look similar to yours.

The most significant difference is the numeral "9". The "9" from the proof book has slanted tail compared to the panel on your cover which is more oval shaped. In looking through the proof books, Band III and Band IV I can find no postal cancels that have your "9". Though there are a few after 1926 which are for non-postal services.

The "V" for the Basel District is wide, and the only wide "V" I can find start after 1928. All "V"s prior are narrower and a more acute angle.
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
09-16-2017
09:36 PM PT (US)

scan of cancel - no stars
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-16-2017
07:34 PM PT (US)

September 16, 1856 -
This letter was posted in Paris and addressed to Bern [received 18 Sept], then forwarded to the Schweizerhof Hotel in Luzern [received 19 Sept]. From there is was forwarded onward to Hotel Baur au Lac, Zurich [received 20 Sept].

I doubt this letter would be forwarded with such efficiency today.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-15-2017
03:12 PM PT (US)

I found this, but it was issued 3 months after your date.
Notice the location of the "B" and "0" in relation to the date bridge. They are different than your drawing. So my guess is the one with hacheures was modified since the Basel 10 is located like yours. I can't explain the off center Elisabethen
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-15-2017
01:22 AM PT (US)

OK - I found this after looking through many pages of the proof book. This does not mean I found the right one!

Same circumstance as the Lausanne. These earlier cancelers were all sent back to either the factory or the Bern PO repair shop for updating and modification.

Double check your cancel since this is from the proof book and your image looks hand drawn, so a scan of the actual cancel could be more accurate.

The "1" of the Basel 10 is a give away.

BTW - All the post 1914 cancelers appear to have small stars as decoration so I if this is not the correct canceler, yours should have small stars, one on each side, somewhere on the sides between the inner circle and outer circle.
Edited 09-15-2017 01:25 AM
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
09-14-2017
08:51 AM PT (US)
Thanks for the info. On the Basel 10 cancel I am wondering if there is something in front of Elisabethen as it is off center?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-13-2017
10:31 PM PT (US)

Hello OK -

Found your Lausanne cancel in Güller proof book from May 1909. [#17714-15]

Sometime after 1914, and most likely after 1917, the canceler would have been sent to have the hacheures removed and the cross and district number added. Also, the hour date wheels would have been changed from the Roman numeral, before noon/Arabic after noon, to the 24 hour clock used by the European railways. Your example is 10pm.

I could look for your Basel cancel in the proof book, but have no examples of airmail covers.
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
09-13-2017
08:54 PM PT (US)

Also looking for bottom of this cancel
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okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
09-13-2017
08:47 PM PT (US)

Looking for copy of cancels from an airmail letter. Would appreciate any info or pictures.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-07-2017
02:42 PM PT (US)

This weekend is SEAPEX, so I thought it appropriate to post a registered card posted at the International Postal Exhibition, Geneva, which was open from 3-12 September 1922.

Philatelic exhibitions have been going for many years. Plan to visit one or more during the next year, and remember SEAPEX 2018 will be the annual get together for the American Helvetia Philatelic Society.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2017
01:30 PM PT (US)

And just to celebrate the entrance to a holiday weekend.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-02-2017
01:20 PM PT (US)

Here's a puzzle that maybe can be clarified by translating the script on the bottom of the back side.

This printed matter cover [probably a New Year's greeting] was addressed to "Bargen, Baden" [Today known as Helmstadt-Bargen]. Sender's additional instructions were "via ????? Offenburg Heidelberg".

The cover received an "Ambulant No27" cancel dated 5.I.79, so we don't know where it originated, but backstamps show it received a "Schaffhausen" transit date stamp the same day 5.1.79.

There are two "Engen in Baden" date stamps one month apart 6.1.79 and 7.1.79. There is a small town with the name of Bargen a few miles north of Engen. Maybe the letter was held as a post restante situation? Until someone finally really rad the address and got out a map!

The last back stamp is "Bargen kr. Heidelberg" dated 9.1.79, which seems to be the correct location. I can't read the blue pencil on the front, other than it seems to be a street address. "Bargen 10- xxxxxxx".

Maybe the text on the reverse adds to the mystery or clarifies it. If anyone can suggest what that script says, please reply.

Roger
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-30-2017
07:07 PM PT (US)
I've been looking at my Sitting Helvetia because my local stamp club is having a show in two weeks and I promised to create an exhibit that was not cancel oriented. The viewing audience will be local collectors and the public who see ads in the local paper. Anyway, I thought a short exhibit like this might be of interest.

http://www.rogerheath.com/#sitting-helvetia

The frames the local club uses hold 6 pages each, so this is a 6 frame exhibit.
Edited 07-30-2017 07:09 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-30-2017
07:04 PM PT (US)

While I'm going through my Sitting Helvetia I found this double weight letter to France. I like the colors.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-30-2017
06:58 PM PT (US)

It's been too long since a post here. I thought I'd put this interesting letter up for viewing.
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Kevin
05-22-2017
03:25 PM PT (US)
Thank you Retorix for the background! I'd always wondered if the alternate colors (such as 75a) were the result of a printing error. It's also handy to have a reference in the 20c standing Helvetia as a color reference. Thanks again!
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-22-2017
09:51 AM PT (US)

A scan of another example. BTW - I don't own these, they came from auction catalogues.
This could be the most valuable perfin if you are a perfin collector. ); >)

Roger
Edited 05-22-2017 09:52 AM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-22-2017
09:50 AM PT (US)

Hi Kevin -

There are numerous shades of the yellow 15 centimes stamp ranging from light yellow to oranges yellow. The valuable orange is the same color as the 20 centimes Standing Helvetia and I think only a couple of sheets were printed in 1888. It was an inking mix up and the ink mixer thought the Standing Helvetia plate was to be printed and the printer put the "Numerals" plate on the press.

It was recognized immediately but the sheets were released anyway. Here is the 15 numeral and the 20 centimes Standing Helvetia followed by a better scan of the 15.
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Kevin
05-21-2017
11:54 PM PT (US)

For reference, the back of the stamps are below:
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Kevin
05-21-2017
11:52 PM PT (US)

Hi, I have a pair of Swiss stamps that I thought at first were Scott 75. Both are on granite paper. The stamp on the left (in the picture below)is lemon, but the one on the right is a yellow-orange color. I doubt this is Scott 75a, but are there known color varieties for #75, and is there any value in a "yellow-orange" coloring of #75?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-19-2017
09:46 AM PT (US)
Hi Mladen - about being a 23f, it could be but the color is wrong. It should be more faded because the "F" was on thin paper that went through the press and didn't get sufficient inking. It was quality control issue not a specific printing on thin paper. The only way to confirm thin paper is to have micrometer and know the measurements of the thin and normal paper, which is more detailed than required here.

Value - the best I can show is the Delcampe auction site in Europe:

https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectable...=&view=thumbs&order=

This link places you in the middle of the 10 cent stamps an gives comparisons to catalogue values and real life asking prices. You see there is a large variety of prices - quality and wishful thing go into determining price.

Roger
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Mladen
05-19-2017
02:25 AM PT (US)
Dear retorix,

Thank you for your help and comprehensive guide. I think that i was able to see the green thread in the 10 rappen stamp. Do you perhaps know the value of the stamps on the letters?

Also, couldn't the 10 rappen be Zu# 23f?
best regards
Mladen
Edited 05-19-2017 03:01 AM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-18-2017
12:48 PM PT (US)

This table can be helpful when trying to identify Strubels.

Grill cancels (and a few CDS) prior to 23 May 1857. The post office banned all grill cancelers after that date. So you will only find dated stamps used after that date. Then you can use the date of your stamp to reduce the possibilities identifications.

Second step is thread color: so a green thread with a date of 1860 can't be a Munich print from 1854 that would have a grill cancel. And the opposite: A grill cancel makes the stamp an early printing, not a post-1858 for example.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-18-2017
12:39 PM PT (US)
Hi,, Maybe this will help.

The 20 rappen cancelled in Luzern is a Scott 39, Zumstein 25G. 2 clear margins.

The blue 10 rappen dated in 1856 could be one of two stamp depending on the color of the embedded thread. A 10-15x magnifier will probably be of help, even though the thread is on the back of the paper. 1 clear margin, three touching.

It is a Bern printing and first choice Scott 21 with a dark green thread (Zum 23B) or:
Scott 27 with a red thread, (Zumstein 23Cb). If you can't define any shade of red, it will be the green thread.
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Mladen
05-18-2017
07:58 AM PT (US)

Hello sirs,

My late grandfather left me with his stamp collection, however in it there are two letters with swiss stamps, one is dated 1856, the other has postal stamp from 1862. From what i could gather online the stamps are sitting Helvetia, however i don't know how i can identify the print (munich a,b etc.) since the stamps are on the letters and from which i can gather that adds value.

Help would be much appreciated
Best regards
Mladen
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Sylvain Maltais
05-15-2017
08:47 AM PT (US)
Hi George,

Email sent.

Thank you

Sylvain
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George Struble
05-15-2017
03:01 AM PT (US)
I tried to send you a reply, attaching a comprehensive rate list, and something weird happened to my message. Let's try another tack. If you send a private email to me at gstruble@willamette.edu, I will try to send the list in a private email.

George
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Sylvain Maltais
05-13-2017
09:17 AM PT (US)
Hi,

Looking for postal rates applied to Post Cards, From 1870-1900. If possible.

Inland, Foreign, Printed matters.

Thank you

Best regards

Sylvain
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Allen Jenkins
04-27-2017
06:41 PM PT (US)
I should have waited a day or so. My USPS delivery comes in the late afternoon. ANd, today along came my May TELL> I will be more patient next time.
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George Struble
04-27-2017
10:54 AM PT (US)
They were mailed Tuesday, from Colorado. You should receive yours by May 1. Sometimes we're earlier, but it took some time to get all the stuff from our St. Louis meeting.

And it was good to have /you/ among the participants in St. Louis!
Cheers!

George
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-27-2017
10:36 AM PT (US)
Allen - I got mine yesterday, so look for yours in the next couple of days.

I notice that wherever Tell is mailed from the post office is not cancelling the envelopes, so it's impossible to know when they are mailed. This has happened with previous issues as well. Not very "Swiss" in my opinion! LOL
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Allen Jenkins
04-27-2017
09:46 AM PT (US)
Has the May edition of TELL been sent out yet? I haven't received mine in the post.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-27-2017
09:28 AM PT (US)
Hi, Welcome to the Board.

The stamp looks genuine. There are a few forged stamps of this issue, but I've never seen one. What you will find are fake cancelations on the 1881 series where the used value is large compared to the unused value. Anything above the 25 centimes stamp should have a certificate.

If you have questions about these or any other Swiss item, post an image and we'll try to help.

Roger
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Crazy Monkey
04-27-2017
02:06 AM PT (US)

Switzerland Scott #46

I just got this stamp. It is thinned, but I want to know if it is genuine. Is this series commonly forged?
Edited 04-27-2017 02:07 AM
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Raul A Gonzalez
04-16-2017
08:21 AM PT (US)
George - See items 136/137 below
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George Valby
04-15-2017
10:10 PM PT (US)

I am at a loss to identify the "mailing label" or automat stamp shown in the image. The cancel seems to read "BERN 3 BUNDESHAUS" and be dated 7.V.??
Any help will be appreciated!
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Raul A Gonzalez
04-07-2017
04:21 PM PT (US)
Dick

My guess is that Standing Helvetias without watermark would be pretty rare, and several would be much rarer. Have you tried a watermark fluid placing the stamp on a black surface, as some watermarks could be very light ? Let most of the liquid vaporize to better see the WM. Watermarks are the elliptical one with a small cross in the center (2 different types), and only large crosses. There could be a number of exemptions, such as trial runs or gray prints used to show where to find a variety (and maybe also counterfeits I don't know about).

Could you attach images of front and reverse of those stamps ? What is the difference between control mark and watermark?

Raul
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Dick Martino
04-07-2017
02:57 PM PT (US)
While cataloging Standing Helvetias I run across some examples that show no impressed control mark and no true watermark. I am assuming that these are most likely stamps that failed to receive the impressed control mark. Would that be a proper assumption?
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Raul A Gonzalez
03-16-2017
07:34 PM PT (US)
Calvin

If im not wrong the seven varieties listed in the SBK catalog apply to cards CANCELLED on Zurich 1.XII.40, so you need to show the front of the card, not the reverse. The additional lowest listed value is for the unused card (possibly the one you enclosed?).

Raul
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Calvin Deem
03-16-2017
04:51 PM PT (US)

This is the back of a stamp day card "Zurich 7.XII.41". The catalogue lists several varieties of the card. I am trying to determine which this is.

Thanks
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-06-2017
03:15 PM PT (US)
One - Her is a complete article about Swiss proofs an private printings. Published in the UK Helvetia Society Newsletter.

http://www.cpde.ch/PDF/RL/2016-RL-HPS.pdf
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-03-2017
09:54 AM PT (US)
There are three 50 centimes values on this page:

http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw=proof&...drucke&_sacat=40379
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-03-2017
09:49 AM PT (US)
Don't pay too much for it. It's part of a series printed in different colors that were made as "proofs". This has had additional perforations added. These stamps are usually found imperforate and in pairs and blocks four. Search eBay or Delcampe and you will find more. They are not in stamp catalogues.
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Ove Aspen
03-03-2017
07:30 AM PT (US)

I found an unique stamp saying Helvetia with small letters at the top and the number 50 with Black ink on the Black side.The motiv is an orange queen head and I did not find a year print on it.The value says 1 F.I cannot find this stamp in any catalog of Switzerland.Therefore it ,may be valuable and rare?The stamp was Bouvet at the Scandinavian auctionhouse SKANFIl.I have enclosed a rough ipadphoto of it.If anyone can tell me more about it I wpuld be very thankful.Ican be contacted at Oveaspen@yahoo.com or mobilephone Norway 45610993
Edited 03-03-2017 07:31 AM
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George Struble
02-17-2017
12:44 AM PT (US)
My estimate of $10 to $60 was not based on any catalog, so I can be way off. I do note that the copy you saw in AHPS Auction 152 in November 2011, with a minimum bid of $300, did not sell.

Are you an AHPS member? If so, you can submit your booklet to the AHPS auction. The auction is only for members -- as buyers /or /sellers.
I can recommend the two auction houses in Switzerland that I buy through regularly: Roelliphila and Corinphila. You can Google them and find them on the internet. You can ask them by email whether they are willing to take your booklet. If they think it is a $60 item, they will probably not be interested!

Cheers,

George
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M W
02-17-2017
12:22 AM PT (US)
Raul & George -- Thank you for your comments, suggestions and link. (Although I think your guess is a little on the mean side, George! lol)
What about listing the booklet on the AHPS auction? http://www.swiss-stamps.org/gtauction/
I found one example of the same booklet in the Tell Journal archives from September 2011 listed as lot 115 and a $300 min. bid, and catalog value of $979. (I understand that catalog values are akin to suggestions, and that real values are "fluid" in any market, but ultimately you first just need to find someone willing to pay for the item! In my case, I simply would like to sell the booklet for a fair price as I have no use for keeping it...
Raul -- Could send me more details on what I could do to find a reliable auctioneer via email -> as_a_doornail@yahoo.com
Thanks!
Michael
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Raul A Gonzalez
02-15-2017
08:43 PM PT (US)
About the inquiry by MW: I could only see a single pertinent BLK4 with first day cancel 2.Feb.1932 and with Pen cancel S.143. There are 9 Swiss stamps with that first date cancellation for the 1932 Geneva Disarmament Conference

6 definitives Scott 210-215 and Zumstein 185-190
3 airmail Scott C16-C18 and Zumstein F16-F18

The catalog value for the (6) definitives as BLK4 with the correct first date cancel is about CFH 250, and for the (3) air mails is also about $250. But nowadays the stamp market is "fluid" all over to say the least. MW should approach a reliable Swiss auctioneer and ask if those (9) blocks in the presentation booklet would sell a single lot.

See internet URL http://www.marken-meyer.ch/marken-meyer/web/liquidation/vb.htm for the results of a recent auction. You could contact me directly for more details.
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George Struble
02-15-2017
08:23 PM PT (US)
The other three stamps are C16-18. The cancellations are first day of issue cancels for all nine stamps. This is a nice item. If there is an inscription showing that it was presented to some important person, that could enhance its value. I doubt that there are lots of collectors thirsting to outbid each other in an auction. I would guess it could sell in a range $10 to $60. Failed disarmament conferences are not hot!
George Struble
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M W
02-15-2017
06:31 PM PT (US)

sample page of cancelled stamps...
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M W
02-15-2017
06:30 PM PT (US)

Could anyone offer any info about this souvenir booklet? It contains 13 pages with 9 different stamps, each a block of 4, and each cancelled and uncancelled, attached with hinges. I know some of the stamps are Scott 210-215, but not sure of the other 3.
Is there much of a market to sell this?
(This booklet was my great-uncle's who worked in the Foreign Service and bought them in Geneva in 1932.)
Thanks in advance!
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Allen Jenkins
02-08-2017
05:11 PM PT (US)
Thanks George. I got through to the correct number and made the reservation. I had to tell them that I was part of the St Louis Stamp Show - AHPS or American Helvetia Philatelic Society did not show up on their special deal sheet. Also, they require a $50.00 deposit per night that was not part of the $89.00 rate. The Marriott agent taking the reservation said it would be refunded within a few days of departure providing I did not tear the room apart. I don't know if he thinks the AHPS is some sort of sports team. I played rugby in my youth and they could have had a $100.00 deposit and we wouldn't have see much of that after we left.

Thanks for your input and I am looking forward to the annual convention.

Allen
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George Struble
02-08-2017
04:41 PM PT (US)
I'm sorry. I copied the number incorrectly. The correct number is 314-429-1100.

I look forward to seeingyou there!

George
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Allen Jenkins
02-08-2017
04:19 PM PT (US)
I am trying to make a reservation at the St Louis Airport Renaissance Hotel to attend the AHPS annual convention. When I dialed the number 314-492-1100 as listed in the January 2017 issue of TELL, I get a message that the number has been disconnected. Does any one have another suggestion?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12-22-2016
11:30 PM PT (US)

December 23 1903 - Received in Aarau from Mexico City.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12-22-2016
11:28 PM PT (US)

Here's an example for 22 December:

December 22, 1864 -A simple internal 10 centime cover from Winterthur to Dietfurt in the Canton of St Gallen. The blue perforated Sitting Helvetia was issued in October 1862, and in service until being replaced by the red 10 centime stamp in March 1867.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12-22-2016
11:23 PM PT (US)
Holiday Greetings to Everyone and here's a heads up for a chat board activity.

I thought we could start a daily post of covers, and cards we have in our collections. I am going to try posting everyday starting January 1. So start looking through your collections and find those items which have a relevance for the day of the month. Scan and post on the appropriate day.

Roger H.
Edited 12-22-2016 11:23 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12-02-2016
03:29 PM PT (US)

I received this email today from the United nations Philatelists. There must be some Swiss collectors who specialize in UN Offices. So it's time to get organized and participate in this exhibition next October.

Here is the email:

 The United Nations Philatelists, Inc. (UNPI) is pleased to announce a joint effort with the American Philatelic Society (APS) to present a one-time special World Series of Philately (WSP) exhibition devoted to United Nations (U.N.) philately at APS headquarters in the American Philatelic Center in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. from October 27 through 28, 2017.

 We especially wish to formally invite the American Helvetia Philatelic Society (AHPS) and its members throughout the world, to join us in celebrating and participating in this exceptional event. As the seat of the League of Nations and the United Nations Office in Geneva, we recognize the importance of Switzerland in the philately of the United Nations.

 This exhibition, UNExpo17, will showcase the broad cultural and historically rich scope of U.N. philately. Included are: Forerunners to international organization; the League of Nations; U.N. offices in New York, Geneva, and Vienna; U.N. agencies and associated organizations worldwide; and/or U.N. related theme exhibits in more than 100 frames (1600 pages). The unparalleled quality and diversity of the exhibits displayed is sure to be a highlight for anyone interested in U.N. philately.

 Competitive exhibits will vie for eight levels of awards in this unique APS World Series of Philately (WSP) national level exhibition. The grand award winner will be eligible to participate in the annual APS Champion of Champions competition at APS StampShow 2018, August 9-12, 2018, in Columbus, Ohio. The grand award winner of the single frame competition will be eligible to participate in the annual APS Ameristamp Expo in Birmingham, Ala., Feb. 23-25, 2018.

 There will be much for the U.N. collector to see and do at UNExpo17. The annual UNPI meeting is open to show attendees and includes a club meeting with special U.N. related presentations by UNPI members.

 Special guests from United Nations headquarters in New York will attend and best of all, the U.N. Postal Administration will not only attend, but has hinted at something special being planned in honor of UNExpo17.

 A 20 dealer bourse with specialized United Nations material will assure a well-rounded selection of U.N. stamps, stationery and postal history is available.

 UNExpo17 promises to be a wonderful U.N. extravaganza and we invite all interested AHPS members to attend as well as to enter their U.N. related exhibits in the competition or submit non-competitive frames for display only. We hope to see many of you at this extraordinary show to explore United Nations philately at its best.

 Exhibitors may also send their exhibits directly to APS headquarters for delivery ease and security purposes. More information on this option will be forthcoming.

 Visit the UNEXPO17 (http://www.unexpo17.com) website for more information as we draw closer to the date of the show.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-28-2016
08:13 PM PT (US)
For sure PIPEX is a show I'll be going to in May. It's only two weeks after St Louis, but no problem, it's only a 3 ½ hr drive from home. Let's plan a meeting room if enough members want to get together. See you there.

http://www.pipexstampshow.org
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-28-2016
08:10 PM PT (US)
Hi Everyone,

http://stamps.org/National-WSP-Shows

I thought I'd post this link of APS show schedule for next year. If you think you might want to meet other AHPS members, and/or prepare an exhibit for the show closest to your home location, this link lists all the shows.

Keep a bookmark for this chat page. Also, click on the Get Email button so you are informed each time someone posts here. It makes for a closer group. Connections are for connecting. Don't be afraid of letting everyone know if you plan to attend any shows next year. We have over 250 members spread out around the country, so someone must live close to you. I have shared hotel rooms with others who attend these shows, so if one drives and shares a hotel room, the expenses are pretty reasonable!

 ); >)

Roger
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Raul A. Gonzalez
11-23-2016
04:04 PM PT (US)
Clayton (or other collectors of Cantonal fiscal stamps)

I do have a complete set of the (10) Gene Kelly's catalogs of Swiss fiscal stamps. Its original price ca. 1995 was 435 CHF. I am selling the complete se at half price ($220) plus shipping.

Raul A Gonzalez

Raul
Hockessin, DE
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-23-2016
01:44 PM PT (US)
Welcome Clayton -

As you see not many message get posted here, but it's going to get better this year. I see on my members list you do not belong to the American Helvetia Philatelic Society. Our renewal forms are presently in the mail for January membership. If you wish to join our society please click on the above link and you will be all caught up with everyone else. We have over 250 active members and everyone receives a bimonthly journal, TELL.

Our annual convention will be held in St. Louis March 31 - April 2, so plan on joining us.

Do you exhibit?

Roger - President AHPS
Edited 11-23-2016 01:45 PM
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Clayton Wallace
11-23-2016
01:12 PM PT (US)
Hi, I'm new to the board, but a long time collector of Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Saar and Germany revenues. I can contribute to any questions on those particular countries' revenues. My email is my first and last name concatenated into one word, at Comcast dot net.

Happy Thanksgiving US members!

Clay
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2016
11:52 PM PT (US)
rick -

There is no doubt about the AHPS auction item being registered, and it is from Luzern.

I thought we were trying to determine your letter on which I see no Registration markings, and the red is your highlighting.

The person to contact is Mike Peter, whose email is in Tell under the officers section. He exhibits Swiss Registered Mail and should be able to give you a more definitive answer.

Roger
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rickblaney@comcast.net
09-06-2016
11:41 PM PT (US)
Tim:

Great catch - I have this issue of TELL downloaded to my desktop but hadn't the chance to read it yet.
Sure looks like it is a Registered mark particularly with the boxed "Recommandée mark and the registration No. 226.
Many thanks,
Rick Blaney
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2016
04:30 PM PT (US)
Look at lot 72 of the current auction. Same type of squiggly line?
http://swiss-stamps.org/gtauction/

--Tim
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rickblaney@comcast.net
09-06-2016
02:41 PM PT (US)
Hello:

Many thanks for the information. I did not know that they had REGISTERED mail that far back. That is very interesting.
Best regards,
Rick Blaney
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2016
12:48 PM PT (US)
Hi Rick,

The only spiral lines I'm aware of are those on registered letters originating from the canton of Luzern. I don't know the earliest dates of the Luzern squiggly lines, but the lines were used well into the 1870's in Luzern. I see no indication your letter was registered, and don't know about Basel. It could be a flourish to fill the space under the addressee's names.
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Rick Blaney
09-03-2016
03:18 PM PT (US)

Hello:

Hope someone can answer this I have a folded letter sent from Basel to Bayern (Bavaria) in 1786, it has spiral lines to the right of the address. Sometime in the past I seen something about what this was for but can't find it now. I have seen four others on line with the same markings, all from the 1700s.

I highlighted the spirals in RED in the scan.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Rick Blaney
rickblaney@comcast.net
Edited 09-03-2016 03:19 PM
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Philatarium (Dave F.)
08-14-2016
05:12 PM PT (US)
George: Thanks very much for your reply.

Can you or someone else give me an idea of what kind of additional information about booklets is included in either the Zumstein Specialized or the SBK -- information beyond what is presented in the regular Zumstein?

If anyone has access to the volumes, even a snapshot of one of the pages in the booklets section of either catalog (or both) would be a big help in determining if I needed to try to get one catalog or the other.

I like your idea of just picking up a few thousand more for a study! (spoken like a true philatelist!)

-- Dave
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George Struble
08-14-2016
02:46 PM PT (US)
The Specialized Catalog does have a good listing of booklets, but it is dated (2000). The SBK catalog (Swiss dealers catalog) also has a good listing. My copy is from 2010; I don't buy one every year.

None of these catalogs lists much in the way of varieties, certainly not in differences in advertising panels. So you are on your own trying to make any differentiation. So there is an opportunity for you: acquire a few more thousands of these booklets and make your own study of the variations.

George Struble
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Philatarium (Dave F.)
08-14-2016
02:04 PM PT (US)
First, thank you for having this board, and especially for allowing non-members to be able to ask a question here. This is terrific! And I am grateful.

At auction several months ago, I picked up a large assortment (several hundred) of Swiss booklets, primarily Pro Juventute booklets and definitive booklets (but with a few Pro Patria thrown in, too), usually from the 1950s to the 1990s, and I'm trying to make sense of them.

Is there a go-to reference that goes into detail on Swiss booklets?

I have the regular Zumstein catalog for Switzerland and Liechtenstein (although it's a 1999 edition), and a 2012 Michel for Central Europe, which includes Switzerland. I don't have access to the Zumstein Specialized, nor to the Michel Specialized for Switzerland.

I'm asking especially because the former owner identified some booklets (primarily definitive booklets, but a few Pro J booklets thrown in for good measure) as "unlisted variations" of certain other identified booklets. He cross-referenced Zumstein, Michel and Scott when possible, so he was at least using those sources, although I don't know if he had access to the specialized catalogs.

Another thing I've noticed is, with some of the definitive booklets where I have duplication, that the advertising sometimes varies on the front interior and on both the exterior and interior of the back covers, so that leads me to wonder if some might be considered more scarce than others, and if these are documented anywhere.

I've pretty much tapped out on Googling, and have posted my questions on several of the general stamp discussion boards, but so far haven't come up with any additional information.

I'd be grateful for any additional insight that anyone here can provide.

Thank you in advance!

-- Dave F. (and happy to reveal my last name in private correspondence)
usually known on most stamp boards at "Philatarium"
APS 187980

I'll check back here regularly for replies, but I can also be reached at:
philatarium (at) gmail (dot) com (if email addresses are allowed here)

Thanks again for this great resource!

And great to see Roger here, too!
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John Shotliff
08-10-2016
10:18 PM PT (US)
Roger,

Whatever you can find would be appreciated. If any knows someone who works at, or worked for Courviosier that would be fantastic.

Thx in advance.

John
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
08-08-2016
02:59 PM PT (US)
Hi Everyone,

It was great to see so many of you in Portland. One of the better represented gatherings in recent memory [which is the last couple of years for me.]

Glad to see we are using this board again, and I think it it great for asking and answering the type of questions that came up the last few posts.

Roger
Edited 08-08-2016 02:59 PM
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Paul Tremaine
08-08-2016
01:36 PM PT (US)
John/George:

 

In the Liechtenstudy "library" I have a very long article with lots of pictures about the presses at La Chaux-de-Fonds. I have NO idea where it is, but I remember it distinctly. Let me look around and I'll scan it and send it to you. Perhaps it will address your question. As I remember you can see the press names in the pictures; they were proud of their facility.
 

Paul

 

 

 

From: George Struble [1]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Chic Bertolacci; Paul Tremaine
Subject: Fwd: Philately of Switzerland

 

Is this something either of you can help with?

I was happy to see both of you in Portland!

Cheers,

George


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John Shotliff
08-08-2016
10:25 AM PT (US)
Hello.

I am searching for someone who can provide information vis-a-vis printing Liechtenstein stamps:
- types of gravure presses employed by Courvoisier starting in the 1930's (manufacturer and sheet vs. roll)
- printing anomalies (errors, freaks and oddities) attributable to gravure printing.

Thx in advance.
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john barrett
07-27-2016
01:20 PM PT (US)
Forgot my email: jstrubelboy@aol.com
Thanks!
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john barrett
07-27-2016
12:53 PM PT (US)
I will be at Portland show and would love to discuss the 'Green to Blue'5cts numeral 'changeling'; I also am bringing along my solutions for IDing the Munich or Zurich papers used in the Strubeli issues. Those of you who have any problem with this, bring along your Strubeli stamp(s) and they can be IDed FAST!
  I am a professional microbiologist/biochemist and longtime Swiss collector/exhibitor.
See you in Portland!
 John
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rickblaney@comcast.net
07-09-2016
08:48 PM PT (US)
Hello:

Just getting into folded letters from the early and mid 1800s and note that all of the folded letter paper sheets have a crease down the middle and after the sheet is folded, this crease shows horizontally across the face of the letter. Can someone enlighten me as to why this paper has that crease?

Many thanks,
Rick
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Allen Jenkins
07-09-2016
04:47 PM PT (US)
This is Allen again (all in the same day). I have recently gotten into collecting Kleinbogen. However when I go out to the Swiss postal shop (on-line), I a confused by what they classify as Kleinbogen and what are sheetlets, and what are plain old sheets. All three of these categories may have anywhere from eight to twenty stamps. Can anyone clarify this issue for me.

Thanks in advance.

Allen
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Allen Jenkins
07-09-2016
04:42 PM PT (US)
Raul

I am not a chemist - just a watercolor painter - that is where my comments came from. Therefore, I am very aware that some of my paint pigments are staining and some are non-staining and lay them down on my work accordingly in the appropriate intensity. Certain colors fade easily and other will be on the paper forever. Be as it may, I just thought I would a different light on the subject.

Allen
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Raul A. Gonzalez
07-09-2016
02:02 PM PT (US)
Allen

I fully agree with you that the base of many green stamps *might* be a mixture of a variety of blue and yellow inorganic or vegetable pigments. A number of old yellow pigments seem to dissolve in 1N hydrochloric acid faster than the blue pigment, depending on their chemical structure; that might explain the change in color with HCl. There could be other mechanisms of course, but I have observed the change of green to blue with acid treatments in green Swiss, German and Chilean stamps between 1855 and say 1930, using base pigments from England and Germany. I am pretty sure that an in-depth search of original stamp printing colorants could reveal the specific source and composition of the pigments used.

Color change of stamps is a very broad topic that has been observed and studied for much more than 100 years. The most common causes are changes of pH, ultraviolet light (sunlight), oxidation, etc. And of course there are many more recent organic chemicals that can change color with changes of pH, such as phenolphthalein, litmus paper, conjugated double bonds, and many, many others.

Much work has been devoted to this area by philatelists with advanced technical backgrounds. If interested in additional info I would suggest getting the opinion of our sister German Philatelic Society which has a much larger membership, and who are also in close contact with
corresponding European groups.

Raul
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2016
12:57 PM PT (US)

APS StampShow - American Helvetia Philatelic Society will have a booth staffed by volunteers. Our assigned both is Society Both M. Stop by, chat and meet other society members, there will be enough chairs.

We will have two meetings during the show. Saturday 10:30am-12:30 in Room B118, including two slide presentations a show and tell, etc, etc. And on Sunday morning one hour at 11:30am in Room B119 to see and hear Mike Peter's Swiss Registered Mail presentation.

Hope to see many members there.

Roger
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2016
07:57 PM PT (US)
HI Allen - Welcome to the Board.

See posts #130 and 131 where Raul explains how he changed the colors.
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Allen Jenkins
07-06-2016
07:53 PM PT (US)
Regarding Raul Gonzalez discussion of blue and green coloring, in addition to collecting Swiss stamps I am a watercolor painter. In order to get green you mix blue and yellow. It would be interesting to know which of the two was the earlier issue. If green was the earlier issue then the blue issue may have been caused by the fading of the yellow pigment. If the blue was the earlier issue then someone may have altered the dye lot.
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Raul A. Gonzalez
07-03-2016
05:53 PM PT (US)
QT I do have an almost complete collection of both small and large T's between about 1950 and 1955 (or so). Many of them are perfectly centered. No gum or traces of a cancellation, so it seems that they were produced and sold as precanceled T's at the post office.

I do not plan to exchange these as probably these are suitable for a good Swiss auction.

I do have about 20 covers with the large and small T's, none perfectly centered over a stamp.

But my problem is that I only collect very advanced items that eventually end in Swiss actions. Thus trade will be quite difficult.

Raul
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okbigguy
07-03-2016
05:18 PM PT (US)
Does anyone currently collect the "T" overprints used for postage due? Would like to trade some if possible.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-02-2016
10:58 PM PT (US)

The station at Yens, one of the stations on this 12 miles long railway. Train stopped for passengers.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-02-2016
10:15 PM PT (US)

Here's a little taste treat:

Posted in Bière, dated stamped on Bière-Morges Regional train 26.VII.00, addressed to Lausanne where it was received 26 VII.00 at 9am. It was sent out for delivery and returned to the post office with a forwarding address to Bussigny sur Oron, where it was received at 5pm. Of interest is the use of the Lausanne razor cancel used at 2pm as a forwarding date stamp. This rarity rates 10 as it is only known as a forwarding mark during July 1900 during its three years of existence.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-02-2016
10:06 PM PT (US)
American Philatelic Society StampsShow is just one month away in Portland Oregon, August 4 -7. The American Helvetia Philatelic Society will have booth and two meetings. The schedule as follows:

American Helvetia Philatelic Society (open to the public) Saturday 10:30am - 12:30pm Room B118.
[This is a change from earlier publicity.]

Presentations tentatively scheduled during the 2 hour get together:
 Ambulant Cancels of Private Narrow Gauge Railways - Roger Heath
 Swiss Airmail - George Struble
 (Any other member who wishes to present another topic, please let me know. We will have a laptop and LCD projector available.)
 Show and tell by various members, new finds at show, etc, etc.
 General discussion, society comments, etc, etc.


Sunday 11:30am Room B119 - Mike Peter - Swiss Registered Mail presentation.

If you come be sure to stop by our booth and introduce yourselves.
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Raul A Gonzalez
06-16-2016
08:45 PM PT (US)
About the Swiss cover without any postage. Seems that there are a number of clues here:

1. Both the registration label and the post office cancellation mention "Bern 3 Bundeshaus". This is the Federal House in Bern, the capital of Switzerland... and as elsewhere Swiss government mail is exempt of postage.

2. In the upper left there is the bilingual official wording: French "Officiel Affranchi à forfait" and German "Amtlich Pauschal frankiert" which should mean "Official Prepaid package". The German translation is a bit more complex, though...

But in reality both in Switzerland and in the US, government free postage means that that the taxpayers are paying for it... so it is not free...
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06-16-2016
07:50 PM PT (US)

damodhar - sorry I have no answer for you, it is not my area of study.

Here's a similar question about a cover.

Does anyone know how this went via international mail for free? I understand if it was internal in Switzerland, but all the way to California, I would have expected some postage for the international portion.

I'm guessing there were coins or currency in the envelope, there is no other reason why it would need to be registered.
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damodhar mushamPerson was signed in when posted
06-10-2016
10:51 AM PT (US)

SWISS COVER 30V 1921 Tied with 3 opt 2 1/5v16 stamps strip 20 opt on 25 on back Mail of Swiss philatelist Ernst Schmid in Zurich with wax seal of his personal logo clear at one place Regd Zurich 2 Seideng No 295 Label Weight 42 grams. Posted to The Indian philatelist not on cover but Mr Y Ramasheyayya in Editor of that Magazine IMP POSTAL HISTORY ITEM RARE
Can you give rarity of this cover any give details of any importance .Have some good World War Censor covers from 1919++
The Indian philatelist have any info on this Magazine lease publish this in in your mag with my adress please
More next time damubn@gmail.com
DAMODHAR.RAO.M;
Plot No 17 SANTOSHMA Colony,WestMarredpally SECUNDERABAD;500026 INDIA
http://borninpost.blogspot.in/
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-12-2016
01:16 AM PT (US)
I am correcting post #129 /m129

The numerals were printed using cliches put together in sheet size frames. Therefore it could be possible to have the wrong value printed on a sheet, but I could not find and report of this happening. Acid seems to be the component to create blue 5 centimes Numerals.

There are a few reported tech-beche pairs where one of the clichés was inverted in the sheet.

Roger
Edited 05-12-2016 01:19 AM
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André Cesa
05-11-2016
09:45 PM PT (US)

Raul, yes, it is very similar.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
05-09-2016
09:31 PM PT (US)
Wow!

--Tim
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Raul Gonzalez
05-09-2016
09:29 PM PT (US)

André

After 17 years today I was able to resume my 1N HCl treatments, although I was only able to put my hands on a single ml of acid (about 1 - 30th of an ounce). I started from light green and dark green 5c numeral stamps (Scott 72). I soaked each of them with 1N HCl (about 3% conc) for 30 minutes, then rinsed and dried them. The image shows both stamps before (top) and after (bottom) acid treatment. The color rendition and brightness after scanning should be fairly close to actual, although perhaps a bit too bright. Do any of these look close to your blue 5c stamp?
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Raul Gonzalez
05-08-2016
11:15 PM PT (US)

About 1999 I run across a blue Chilean stamp that should have been sort of dark green. I did recall that I had earlier treated green German stamps with acid to get that response. I took three different dark green Chilean stamps, a green Chilean stamp and a green Swiss stamp and treated them with about 1N HCl and obtained similar responses. All these stamps were of different green shades and different periods of time, and the blue color intensity seemed to depend on how intense the original green color was.

Some "experimenters" have earlier postulated that the original green color was formed by mixing blue and yellow pigments or dyes, and that the acid would remove the yellow component. I do not know if that is a valid reasoning. There are some compounds that would change color when exposed to either acid or alkaline media. But the fact remains that the green colors often turn blue and stayed so for many years even after the acid was fully removed.

The best way to check if André blue 5c Numeral stamp is by exposing light green and dark green 5c Numeral stamps to the above acid treatment. Good luck !
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-08-2016
11:44 AM PT (US)
I wrote -"The only blue numeral stamp of the period was the 12 centimes stamp and that means the cliché for your stamp would necessarily have been printed in a sheet of 12 centimes clichés."

That's wrong. The numerals stamps weren't printed that way. Strubels yes, numerals no.

Color changing yes. ); >) I once had a GB 1893 green 1/2d that was a very strong blue.
Edited 05-12-2016 01:17 AM
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Raul Gonzalez
05-08-2016
12:57 AM PT (US)
André

Look at this URL for many examples of color changes imposed on stamps by external factors, including acids (not a very scientific discussion, though, but an interesting introduction).
https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35849

Raul
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Raul Gonzalez
05-08-2016
12:40 AM PT (US)
André

Try a 1 N HCl (hydrochloric acid) solution but be careful not to let it contact your skin and much less your eyes (wear goggles). Hold the green stamp in acid for say 10 seconds and see if there is a cool change. Then rinse thoroughly with water. HCl can be found in chemistry labs.

I have seen blue shades in Swiss and Chilean stamps normally issued in green colors. And a long time ago I did try the above "experiment" myself on the corresponding green stamps. This might take some time to optimize conditions. But the paper might turn a bit dark.

Raul
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Tim Gimmel
05-07-2016
01:48 PM PT (US)
I spent some time last evening looking for references to essay's or proofs in that color, but found nothing. Is that a possibility? I am studying "cross and numerals" and have not seen any reference to a 5 centime blue. But it's early days.
--Tim

Sent from my iPad
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André Cesa
05-07-2016
12:42 PM PT (US)

Raul, what type of acid? Retorix, this is the only way to have a printing error?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-07-2016
11:29 AM PT (US)
André - I agree with Raul that it must be a color changling.

The only blue numeral stamp of the period was the 12 centimes stamp and that means the cliché for your stamp would necessarily have been printed in a sheet of 12 centimes clichés. When I take your image and lighten it [trying to make the background more white] the color of your stamp has a more faded appearance of a "chalky" blue, rather than the deep blue of the 12 centimes printings of this period. Is this correct?

Roger Heath
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Raul Gonzalez
05-07-2016
10:08 AM PT (US)
André

Many green colors of that period turn blue with weak acid treatment. I myself have done it a number of times. Maybe that is the source of that blue (vs green) color. Otherwise it will be quite difficult to prove it is a true printing error...

Raúl
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André Cesa
05-06-2016
09:13 PM PT (US)

Hello, someone knows the stamp Scott 72 (numeral 5c) with the color blue?I have not found in the Scott catalog or Yvert.
Edited 05-06-2016 09:15 PM
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
05-05-2016
10:12 PM PT (US)

Roger,
Thought you would like to see this little cover. Razor cancel from Lausanne, Looks like a 7.02E maybe.

--Tim
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
05-05-2016
10:08 PM PT (US)
Richard,
Thanks for the book. Very very nice!

Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-05-2016
10:14 AM PT (US)
Hello Richard,

Thanks from the AHPS for your "donation" to such a valuable online reference. I see I will be reading 291 pages in the coming week!

When I visited Switzerland circa 2000 I had the opportunity to visit the Postal Museum prior to its modernization. At that time visitors could go down into the basement and into a huge vault to view the national collection. All items were mounted in vertical pull-out slide drawers under glass. One only had to walk along, see an area of interest, and slide out the "file" to look. There are incredible rarities in the museum and they were viewable in a sense eye-ball to eye-ball.

Also, welcome to the American Helvetia Philatelic Society.

Roger Heath

Yup, I missed my chance at the Gross Collection, but nobody sent me an email telling me it was for sale. Oh, well, next time. ); >)
Edited 05-05-2016 10:16 AM
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Richard Frajola
05-05-2016
08:21 AM PT (US)
The Postage Stamps of Switzerland, 1843 - 1862

I recently purchased and split one of my favorite, and one of the most beautifully produced, philatelic books; the Mirabaud and De Reuterskiold book on Switzerland which was printed in 1899. The book was printed in German, French and English and the copy I scanned is the English version.

So, for your amusement, in lieu of a chance to bid on the the ex Gross- Anderegg collection, and a chance to see some gem Swiss Cantonals and other early Swiss stamps in full color, the book as a free PDF file is here: http://www.rfrajola.com/swiss/mirabaud.pdf
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George Struble
05-03-2016
11:50 AM PT (US)
I had tried to send you the whole 11-page table. There are apparently limits to the capabilities of this chatbox. If you send me an email directly, to gstruble@willamette.edu, I can reply directly to you.
George
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Craig Grothaus
05-03-2016
08:01 AM PT (US)
Help George,

Thanks much for a reply but unfortunately it doesn't translate.

Craig Grothaus
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George Struble
05-03-2016
02:55 AM PT (US)
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Craig Grothaus
05-02-2016
08:53 PM PT (US)
I am not a Swiss specialized collector but I would be grateful if someone would share the list of franchise stamp codes and the organizations to which they belong?
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Raul Gonzalez
04-09-2016
06:40 PM PT (US)
Rick

Is always a good idea to use google or wikipedia for this type of words. In this case Aussersihl is just the name of a district of Zürich and does not need a translation unless one wants to know the origin of that name. Aussere might also mean "outer". This district was part of Sihlfeld, the pastures and fields encompassing several districts. So it seems to me that the meaning of Aussersihl might be "outer Sihl". (Just a guess)
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Rick Blaney
04-09-2016
05:26 PM PT (US)

I have a letter that has a CDS Zürich 6 - Aussersihl from 1939. I translate Ausser to mean EXCEPT but can not find how sihl alters the meaning when used in a postal cancellation.
Edited 04-09-2016 05:34 PM
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-26-2016
11:53 AM PT (US)
I see in the bottom example the postmark reads "lettere", Italian for "letter"? The variety of "stemple" in Switzerland is large!
Thanks for the examples.

--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-25-2016
05:01 PM PT (US)

With Cuba in the news, I thought I'd share three post cards I received this week sent from Switzerland to Cuba in 1904 and 1906.
Top - From Brenets very near the French border 14 Sep 1904, received Habana, 29 September.
Middle - From Schuls 14 Aug 1906, printed matter, therefore, no receiving date stamp.
Bottom - From Lugano 20 Oct 1906, received Habana, 3 November 1906.

The addressee lived in the Hotel Florida which is located in the old town area on one of Havana's business streets. It is still open and can take reservations online!
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
08:59 PM PT (US)

And I forgot to post the card with the text. LOL
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Timothy Gimmel
03-23-2016
08:47 PM PT (US)
Ah, French Duh!
Thanks! I am not very familiar with French stamps much less postage dues.
—Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
08:42 PM PT (US)
Ambulant is the same as bahnpost, except it's French.

The bottom card has a green 5 centimes Tell Boy on the other side, making it 5 centimes short for a postcard to France. Therefore, the Swiss clerk marked with a "T" and added the postage due in blue crayon = 5 centimes short, and 5 centimes penalty. The French received the card and added the brown 10 centimes postage due, and collected that amount.

The middle card is an example of the first issue postal card of Switzerland for domestic use. The next domestic use card was issued in 1873 with the first international rated card [10 centimes] issued in April 1874.

Illustrated is one of those cards sent to the USA. It's a scarce use since the it was pre-UPU and only a valid from May 1874 until July 1875, when all international post card were 10 centimes. I can't find my reference right now but I think there are fewer than 10 know examples during that period to the USA.
Edited 03-23-2016 08:57 PM
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
08:32 PM PT (US)
Roger, What is 'Ambulant'? I understand Bahnpost is railway mail, but cannot find a translation for ambulant. I looked in the "multilingual Philatelic Dictionary" that came with Philately of Switzerland.
Also, I do not recognize the stamp the card is franked.

--Tim
Edited 03-23-2016 08:37 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
07:28 PM PT (US)

Here's a little more - Ambulant / Bahnpost cancels which I’m currently accumulating.

There are many different types since railways were being developed and the design and uses of cancelers on trains was being ”invented”.

Here are a few examples-
Top - Ambulant Circulaire No 3 dated 31 January 1866. I believe this train circulated out of Lausanne. It went in a circular route and returned back at Lausanne from a different direction. As you can see the canceler does not use date wheels, but slugs for the day/month/year. This letter was put on the train at Veytaux (straight line mark) and then the clerks on board the train date stamped the letter with the train canceler.

Middle - B(ahn). P(ost). Romanshorn-Bern. This 1872 card went on board in Romanshorn and is confirmed by the written note on the back side of the card. It went to Olten .

Bottom - A 10 August 1909 bahnpost cancel is for the Regional railway Brenets-Locle. The railway is only 4.12 km long and only has two stops along the way. I’m guessing it’s pretty scarce! The dating on rail cancels is slightly different in that the last numbers on the right of the date bridge represent the train number on that route, not the time of day. This card is especially interesting since it was posted with only 5 centimes, and should have had a 10 centimes stamp. Therefore, the on-board clerk had to mark it with the ”T” and indicate the amount to collect from the recipient in France.
Edited 03-23-2016 07:36 PM
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
07:25 PM PT (US)
Roger,
Wow, thanks for the detailed answer. I will keep reading as you suggested and post questions as I have them.

--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
07:00 PM PT (US)
Hi Tim,

The cancels of the two wrappers show they were from different post offices. The top was posted at the main Bern post office. Brf. Exp. is Brief Expedition for the outgoing mail section, or letter despatch.

Längasse is a district sub-station within Bern.

Both offices are First Class offices. We know that due to the cancelers having hour wheels within the the date bridge. The top Bern was processed 22 May 1911 at 10pm (arabic numerals), the lower wrapper Längasse 28 February 1911 at 9am (roman numerals). This standard was changed around 1919 when 24 wheels were used and the roman numerals ended.

Second scan -
Top - Basel canceler shows the same situation as the Bern cancel, only it was process at 11pm.
The lower card - Erlach is a second class post office. It has no hour wheels in the canceler, and usually these offices were smaller and had only one or maybe two outgoing shipments per day, so the processing time was pretty much irrelevant. The small cross is standard. This type of canceler was made in the early 1870’s and some of this style survived for 50 years. The style changed to cancelers with stronger ”hatchures” lines above and below the date bridge during the late 1870’s . It was found the fine lines got clogged with ink and were difficult to clean.

Sometimes you will find a name on the bottom half within parentheses which usually denotes the canton or city suburb of the office. There are many name places in Switzerland that have the same name, so this feature distinguishes the location so no confusion.

On a side note . The UPU card to Neu Ulm in Germany shows a receiving date stamp showing 29 October 1-2Nm 1900 (nachmittag) afternoon.
So it is possible to deduce that the card was processed in the Basel office at 11pm on the 28th and received in Neu Ulm at 1pm the next day on the 29th.

Keep in mind that there were often multiple deliveries in larger towns and cities. Geneva for example had 6 deliveries per day, so it was possible to send a letter in the morning, get a reply, and respond to the reply the same day. Pretty good communication!

Sorry to say I’m not certain what would be a good book to recommend to you. I have a number of very detailed references that I’ve accumulated, but I don’t think they would give you the answers you are looking for. They are primarily ”catalogues’ of the many cancelers made in Switzerland. The meaning of each canceller is something that is learned over time. Once you have an understanding, it makes it easier to recognize unusual cancels.

Any time you have a question, post it here and I’ll answer it for you.

Roger
Edited 03-23-2016 07:31 PM
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
06:28 PM PT (US)

2nd scan to previous post.
--Tim
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
06:27 PM PT (US)

I'm just trying to get the basics, in the attached scans you will see BRF. EXP., LÄNGGASSE, sometimes just a Swiss Cross and on one of the cards is "BRF. DIST.". So I have been assuming there is a mark at time of posting and another at the time it it received at destination office.
Attached are scans of a couple of wrappers and cards.
Thanks!
--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
01:53 PM PT (US)
Hi Tim,

What part of the cancel are you trying to interpret?

Just scan a couple together, overlapping so they can be seen and I can help you describe them. There are numerous references, it's just a matter of what you are trying to accomplish.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
03-23-2016
01:48 PM PT (US)
Recently I purchased a lot of covers and cards and on close inspection of the postmarks I realized I don't fully understand how to read and interpret the different cancels. Are there any Tell articles etc. that are a good primer on Swiss cancellations?
Thanks,

--Tim
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Raul Gonzalez
03-16-2016
02:56 PM PT (US)

Missing image
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Raul Gonzalez
03-16-2016
02:52 PM PT (US)

Phil, George

I did some digging on the set of three stamps W19, W20 and W21. Phil's image shows a cover with an FDC cachet, the W19 stamp with the very common cancel Pen S.252 (Zurich this time but there are a total of 9 different cities, all dated 3.III.45). The challenging items are the true first day of emission covers dated 20.II.45 on covers with FDC cachet. I am attaching images for a true FDC for a block cutout (SBK 900 CHF), and a cover with first day cancel but on a cover without cachet (est. 1500 CHF). Note that both were addressed to personnel of PTT or the stamp printer...
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George Struble
03-15-2016
11:02 PM PT (US)
The stamp is Zumstein number W III.19. The W section includes the semi-postals; W I is for Pro Juventute stamps, W II for Pro Patria, and W III for the others -- but Pro Aero semi-postals are in with airmail stamps.

A used block of 4 of this stamp catalogs 5.00 francs in the latest (2000) Zumstein specialized catalog. The block on cover should be about the same.

The cancel in your example is in German. Only. There may well have been cancels in French and Italian too. I believe I have seen listings that include different prices for FD covers whose cancels are in the three languages; I don't find an example at a quick look.

The inscription printed on the envelope IS in three languages: "Swiss fund for victims of the war, given by the friends of the stamp." Nothing very special about it; I would wager that most of the covers that carry this stamp are that same envelope.

I don't understand your quoted "canc 3.3.1945 in 3 languages" unless this is a sale lot OF THREE COVERS, one each canceled in the three languages.

Hope this helps.

George
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Phil Cartisano
03-15-2016
09:36 PM PT (US)

Surtax stamp no 19 - canc 3.3.1945 in 3 languages


Hi Roger,
I was asking you what the value of this cachet is? and as you suggested here is a picture of it.
The description of the stamp comes I think from A Zumstein catalog:
Surtax stamp no 19 - canc 3.3.1945 in 3 languages

Any information would be helpful.

Phil Cartisano
Edited 03-15-2016 09:41 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03-11-2016
09:20 AM PT (US)
George, thanks for your answer. I have about 20%. I am not familiar with the article, and I'm not doing well with the stamp question.

Phil - You have me puzzled about your description of the stamp you wish to value. A picture would clear up a whole bunch of misunderstanding.

"Surtax No 19". First question - which catalogue did you get the number from? If you have a catalogue number, doesn't the catalogue have a value?

Welcome to our society. Once you have followed George's instructions you will have many hours of reading our TELL archive. Enjoy!

Roger
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George Struble
03-11-2016
12:57 AM PT (US)
I can give you two answers.

1. You can find Gary Hoffman's article on the AHPS website
www.swiss-stamps.org. Click on "Publications" in the list on the left, then "Tell", and open the January 1975 TELL. You can print those -- or any -- pages.

2. Also on the website you can download and print the membership application form. Click on "Membership" and then in the second
paragraph you have the opportunity to download and print the application.
I am the /TELL/ editor. When you join, you will receive the January and March 2016 issues so you will get -- I hope you will agree -- full value for your first year's membership dues!

Cheers!

George
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Phil - future member
03-10-2016
07:40 PM PT (US)
Hi Roger,
What is the value of : Surtax stamp no 19 - canc 3.3.1945 in 3 languages ?
And this is just one of many such stamps in my collection.
How do I obtain a copy of
Volume 1 #1 (January 1975)- pages 7 - 10 Official First Day Cancellations of Switzerland
in Three Languages (1948-1961), by Gary Hofmann
[FD cancel languages]
Thank you for your help and send me a membership application.
Phil
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Chris Bligh
02-08-2016
11:11 AM PT (US)
Thank you Roger for your answer, that is kinda what I figured.
Most of the pages are actually just loose individual stamps that I arranged on the sheets in order to take the photos, but some of them are, indeed, stuck to the pages.

Best Regards,
Chris
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-07-2016
10:54 AM PT (US)
Welcome Chris -

You do have a child's collection. The stamps were never identified, nor soaked off the backing paper. There is some organization as to country, but in general these were torn off envelopes and stuck onto pages. Are they hinged, or glued?

The best one can do with a collection such as this is donate it to a kids group or local Veteran's group, both of which accept donations. There is no value in this collection to anyone other than a beginning collector who wishes to pick out stamps to add to their own collection.

To help in identifying what you have, you should be able to go to any public library and use the Scott catalogues most have either for circulation or in the reference stacks. Remember that the 25¢ per stamp is for a dealer to find it for you and stock it. You can not add up 4 stamps and tell yourself you have $1 worth of stamps. Everything I saw on your images can be seen on the Youth tables at any stamp show being given away for free by the hundreds.

Roger
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Chris Bligh
02-07-2016
08:40 AM PT (US)
Good Morning AHPS,
I recently inherited a large number of stamps from my father, who collected stamps ever since he was a child in Germany in the early '40s. I am requesting help from philatelic societies at large to help in identifying what I have; please see http://christopherbligh.wix.com/stamps for the numerous photos that I've taken. Any advice, sources, valuations, or other information that you could share would be most appreciated!
My Best Regards, Chris
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
02-06-2016
11:57 PM PT (US)

I received some Cross and Numeral's today from an eBay auction and one of the stamps had a good example of the cardboard that created an extra frame around the stamp. Though I would share.

--Tim
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Roberto Lopez
01-18-2016
01:00 AM PT (US)
Hello Roger - thank you for your comments. I think it's important to communicate. A lot philatelists dont share their knowledge with others. So when they die, the knowledge dies with them.
It's motivating having a positif feedback from other philatelists.
Best regards

Roberto Lopez
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-17-2016
06:47 PM PT (US)
Hello Roberto - Thank you for posting the link to your articles. I'm certain they will provide much information for our American AHPS members.

I have seen a few o your smaller exhibits when I visited Switzerland and appreciate the variety of your studies.

I look forward to seeing many more comments from you when questions are asked on this Board.

Roger Heath
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Roberto Lopez
01-17-2016
03:10 PM PT (US)
You can find on my site sevral articles C&N (www.lopez-phila.ch/page20.php)
You can contact me when ever you want to exchange informations. It's always interesting to have an other point of view.

Best regards
Roberto :-)
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
01-17-2016
11:27 AM PT (US)
The reason I was going down the trail of "re-entry" is I know the C&N where printed with individual clichés and sometimes they would break or wear and they would then be "re-sharpened". So I was looking for the correct term. However, I may have mis-intrepered the context when he really meant a type of reprint.
One of the unique items of this issues is these were not printed from plates but from individual clichés that were put together to form "pseudo plate" (can't remember the correct term sorry) and as a cliche would break or wear it would be replaced or "sharpened", hence all the different flaws that would show up.
Sometimes the clichés would not fit tight in the frame and the printers would place cardboard between the clichés and the edges of the cardboard would show up in the printings!
I have really digressed here, sorry. Thanks so much for you help Raul. I am also corresponding with Roberto Lopez in Switzerland as he too has tried to translate to German and has had issues too! (Turns out he is English speaker, he is in Delémont, CH, Canton Jura.)

--Tim

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Raul Gonzalez
01-17-2016
11:05 AM PT (US)
Tim

Things are clearer when looking at an article you mentioned http://www.cpde.ch/PDF/Roux/03.pdf , with the chronology of all cross and numeral issues. It has the text in French as well as German. I am pretty sure that "Emissions et réestampages" or "Auflagen und Nachprägungen" mean "Emissions and re-prints (with the same stamp design), on this case with reprints, colors, watermarks and denominations being the main changes. Still unsolved: 1. Paper changes don't seem to affect chronology 2. What are "Spiesse"?

Raul
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Timothy Gimmel
01-16-2016
11:19 PM PT (US)
Thanks Raul, I will check out the dictionary; and I just remembered I have one in the Philately of Switzerland CD’s I have. The articles I am working on are the ones written by Raymond Roux back in the 80’s. You can find them at http://www.cpde.ch/PDF/Roux/roux.html. I originally obtained them from the APRL from the Harlan Stone collection. I have been slowly translating some of the issues but its pretty rough going. But thats ok. The main thing is I learn about the cross and numeral issue. I am trying to learn all I can about them and slowly accumulating enough stamps to study. If you get time take a look at Mr. Roux’s articles, they are quite comprehensive.
Thanks much for your response and have a great weekend,
—Tim
AHPS #2789
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Raul Gonzalez
01-16-2016
10:29 PM PT (US)
Tim

A couple of items that might help when translating cross and numeral French articles :
1. There is an elementary French-English philatelic dictionary under http://www.hgitner.com/news/french_dictionary.pdf (BUT it does not show your word)
2. I googled the word in question and ended on an article of the Delemont Club on cross and numeral stamps "http://www.cpde.ch/PDF/CPD/2009-Fascicule.pdf" , which I suppose you were looking at. I believe that the meaning for that particular situation is either "reprint number" or "print number" of a particular stamp. (If this is not the acception you need, please send me the article and I will see if I can help)
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2016
06:07 PM PT (US)
Would it be accurate to translate the French word "réestampage" to "re-entry"? This is in the context of clichés.

--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2016
01:21 AM PT (US)
Just a reminder that Sandical is next weekend.

http://www.sandical.org

I hope we see some southern California members visiting.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
12-28-2015
11:55 PM PT (US)
Raul,
Thanks very much for the info. Looks like your searches are doing better than mine! Mr. Lopez's site is a wealth of information (as long as I can use google translate!) I will send email to him and see what information he can provide.
I appreciate your kind offer of help.

Happy New Year!
--Tim
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Raul Gonzalez
12-27-2015
11:11 PM PT (US)
To Tim Gimmel
I am no expert on the several “Cross and Numeral” series (“Ziffermuster” in German and “Chiffre” / “Croix et Chiffre” / “Chiffre et Croix” in French. But I try to make the most out of Internet searches.

My suggestion is that you try Roberto Lopez as a source of information on that topic. He has written a number of more recent articles on that topic, as well as an excellent review, which includes all the stamps involved, as well as visual aids of stamps and postal usages. It includes an excellent number of references by others and by himself, including the 20 p. M Schio’s bulletin issued by Zumstein in 1968: “Die Buchdruckausgabe 1882 im Ziffermuster”. See http://www.lopez-phila.ch/page67.php You should also find access to many of his publications (most in both French and German).

Roberto Lopez is president of the “Club philatélique de Delémont et environs”.
Case Postal 232
2800 Delemont, Suisse (between Basel and Bienne)
Ph 079 374 25 27. Calling from the US: 011-41-79-374-2527
For email try webmaster@cpde.ch to contact him.
If he also speaks Spanish, I volunteer to help as in-between. I could translate French or German to English. My wife might help to write in German and less so in French. (I am not volunteering to become a translator of philatelic articles).
I also know of an American philatelist who lives in the French speaking area…

The 20 p. bulletin by M.Schio will be difficult to buy (Zumstein does not carry it and a very extensive search could not find any copy available for sale anywhere). A couple of Swiss philatelic libraries seem to have it.

1. SGSSV Bibliothek, as item “CH-G 27”. Contact ulrich.fehlmann@gmx.ch
2. CPD biblioteque as item “S 09”

I did not find in the web any other specific references to philatelic articles by M. Schio. Werner Boos seems to have specialized on Swiss varieties, and I could not find specific references to articles on Cross and Numerals.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

Raul raulagonz@gmail.com
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
12-27-2015
02:22 PM PT (US)
I found this in the Tell archive:

"From Tell, VOL. XVIII, 5 Sep. 1992, The Orange 15 Cts., by J. Doorenbos
The "Cross & Numeral" issue has long been a Sleeping Beauty. However, in 1967 it was thoroughly awakened by a series of articles by M. Schio in the BBZ (also published in booklet form) . In 1982-1984, the SBZ also produced a number of articles about this issue, these by Werner Boos."


What I would like to know does anyone have copies of these articles from M. Schio or Werner Boos in the original language or translated to English? I would be happy pay postage or copying/scanning fees.
Happy New Year!

--Tim
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Raul Gonzalez
12-24-2015
08:24 PM PT (US)

Some crosses are easy to frame.jpg

I thought that the $100,000 presented bt Retorix was a bargain, as the seller estimated value is $300,000. But I just cannot understand why he will only pay for Standard Shipping…
Fake cancels or the similar is quite common. The attached stamp with its fancy cancel shows a complete frame around the cross. I asked a Swiss expert for his opinion, and as expected was told it was a fake. I do have several hundreds of German and Swiss fakes...
Edited 12-24-2015 08:33 PM
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Buda
11-25-2015
12:14 AM PT (US)
Thank you Raul, you are the best. :-?
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Raul Gonzalez
11-24-2015
05:02 PM PT (US)

Page 199 Zumstein Postal Stat..jpg
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Raul Gonzalez
11-24-2015
04:49 PM PT (US)
Buda
Attached is the corresponding catalog page. Hope you can read it.
Page 199 Zumstein Postal Stat..jpg
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Raul Gonzalez
11-24-2015
04:47 PM PT (US)

Buda
Two messages follow. The first is an image of my own wrapper. Cannot vouch for the color reproduction. Dimensions are my interpretation of the catalog, and include a fairly thin paper of about 0.1mm.
Zumstein 3b ?.jpg
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Buda
11-24-2015
03:40 PM PT (US)
thank you Raul,
are you sure is this a Wrapper?? because is paper very tiny like a stamp Rayon II. I compare with rayon II and is the same paper. I'm conused!!
can you please make one or two pics from your Zumstein catalog with this stamp/wrapper, I don't have a Zummstein Catalog. thank you
Buda
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Raul Gonzalez
11-24-2015
02:57 PM PT (US)
Buda
That 5 Centimes item is a wrapper (Streifbänder). It is listed in the Postal Stationery catalog - Zumstein Ganzsachen Schweiz as either No. 3 or 4 depending on dimensions. It appears in p. 199 of my 2010 catalog.
Raul
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Buda
11-24-2015
01:39 PM PT (US)

Hi, can anybody help me with this Stamp.is this Local Post Stamp from Switzerland?? I think is this from Switzerland because have a swiss cross and Posthorn..
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-23-2015
05:13 PM PT (US)
Welcome Robert -

That pair is in Zumstein 2015 catalogue as K20 called tête-bêch, or in German Kehrdruke. The pair catalogues used SFr19.00.

Roger
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robert haldeman
11-23-2015
03:47 PM PT (US)

good afternoon- trying to research info re this early pair w one image reversed upside down many thanks
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-23-2015
02:26 PM PT (US)

Dave - I saw these on eBay and the page gives some idea of what the cancels should look like. I would not buy the center 25 centimes to fill a space in my album, but the rest are probably all good.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2015
02:32 PM PT (US)
Post #49

Dave - you will find that many of the high value stamps that are canceled have fake or post dated cancels. Any used stamp should have a clear date, and hopefully a legible town name. These stamps were available to collectors for a number of years in mint condition, and of course, those used for postal service are scarce due to the short time they were valid. You might want to post a scan of the 1Fr so we can see it.

Your only other option is to send the stamps in question to an expert in Switzerland.
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Raul A. Gonzalez
11-19-2015
05:25 PM PT (US)
Would you please kindly inform me what all your messages are about ?
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red
11-19-2015
03:08 PM PT (US)

for sale
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red
11-19-2015
03:08 PM PT (US)

for sale
avir4me@gmail.com
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red
11-19-2015
03:06 PM PT (US)

for sale #3
avir4me@gmail.com
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red
11-19-2015
03:05 PM PT (US)

for sale #2
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red
11-19-2015
03:03 PM PT (US)

for sale #1
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2015
11:55 PM PT (US)

The Razor Cancel book is here and starting this week I'm mailing them out to those who have ordered early.

"The 150 page, A-4 format, volume is a bilingual study of the flexible-head cancellers invented and developed by Swiss engineer Frédéric deCoppet. Documents stored in the Bern PTT archives and deCoppet’s original patents illustrate his inventions and show the ongoing communication during the development of these flexible-head cancellers. Many philatelic sources have been brought together to complete the story.
Examples of these devices used on both outgoing and incoming mail are shown in full color. A large section of black and white drawings shows details not previously published. Included are scarcity tables and charts showing dates of use for each device"

Hard bound is $40, soft cover $35. You can contact me through my email and address listed in Tell. If you are a non-AHPS member and wish a copy, please post here and I'll get back to you through board's email system. Second printing has been ordered in Europe already!

Roger Heath
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2015
10:39 AM PT (US)

Calvin - No need for a perf gauge for Standing Helvetia.

Use this guide from Zumstein with my annotations of Scott numbers. This should identify all Standing Helvetia. I'm not aware of any other Swiss that need perf gauge to identify. You only need the date and to count the side teeth. Date first, then count, then identify from watermark.
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Calvin Deem
10-30-2015
07:53 PM PT (US)
Has anyone had any luck or used EzPerf or Lindner PhilaCombiBox- The World's Most Modern Perforation Gauge! "Raised Teeth". Looking to measure close perfs that differ by 1/4 unit. Any other perf measuring devices?
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Raul Gonzalez
10-25-2015
02:22 PM PT (US)

Zumstein 37 railroad - unusual?
Edited 10-25-2015 02:27 PM
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Raul Gonzalez
10-25-2015
02:16 PM PT (US)
Need to have about 200 strubels classified by Scott Catalog number. Many are not in good condition. Needr a cost estimate for this lot. raulagonz@gmail.com
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Calvin Deem
10-24-2015
10:15 AM PT (US)
Roger Heath'

I have used Western Union to pay for items in Switzerland. They charge $5.00 and will take money in $ and send any currency to any bank in world in local currency.

Cal
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Dave Cottrell
10-23-2015
11:23 AM PT (US)
RE: 1881 Sitting Helvetia -- Is there a good source of info on this series? (with the granite paper). I am especially looking for information on forgeries. Earle does not cover this series and Scott and my (not specialized) Michel only mention their existence.

I have a few specimens, one of the 1 fr value in gold. My luck has never been that good!

Google is not much help. Most hits are dealers, the rest are Wikipedia, et. al, pages about Fournier.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
10-04-2015
08:38 PM PT (US)

Found this in an APS circuit. What are the chances of it being genuine? This is I believe Z.2W (Scott 1L4). Scan is attached.

--Tim
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Dick Hall
09-29-2015
05:09 PM PT (US)
Alan,
The camp in Kradolf was for military internees. The handstamp used at the camp is illustrated in the Special Issue of TELL for March 2012 - "Switzerland in World War II Its Defense - Its Survival - Its Refugees and Internees". You can purchase a copy for $20 from the Secretary (me), secretary2@swiss-stamps.org.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-29-2015
10:30 AM PT (US)

Hi Alan -
I don't have an answer, but we are just starting this Board and hope to get more collectors checking in. Maybe someone will be able to help soon.

I rotated your image to make it easier to view.

Roger
My delete, I failed to "save" the rotated image. LOL
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Alan Lauer
09-27-2015
11:59 AM PT (US)

I am not a member of the Swiss Society, I collect German Postal History. I recently purchased this cover that was cancelled in Bistrai, Upper Silesia. It was part of the border "correcting" that the Nazi's did after the invasion of Poland. The town was once part of Austrian Silesia. It is addressed to a Civilian Camp at Kradolf, Thurgau. I can not find any information on a civilian camp in Kradolf ( cancel is 15 Jan. '42 ). Censored by both the Germans and Swiss. Thanks for any information, Alan Lauer ( APS, GPS )
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2015
07:41 PM PT (US)
Mr. Struble, Thanks much, I like your translation very much!

--Tim
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George Struble
09-21-2015
02:56 AM PT (US)
I would say "Study of the printing flaws in the 'Cross and Numeral' issue of 1882 to 1907"

George

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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-20-2015
06:23 PM PT (US)
BTW, I have translated the title in /m38 as "Study of defects in the issuance of cliché “cross and number”, from 1882-1907", does anyone else have a better interpretation?

--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-17-2015
09:17 PM PT (US)
Does anyone by chance have a German bank account, or know of anyone with a German account? In the near future I will need to pay for the razor cancel books that will be shipped to the US. I can send you a check, then an interbank transfer can be done in Germany.

Roger Heath
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-09-2015
08:37 PM PT (US)
HI Tim,

I think you are correct. As I remember I've seen <<rasier>> written this way when in a title about razor cancels.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-09-2015
08:32 PM PT (US)

Here is an example, I think is the same as being in "quotes".
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-09-2015
11:47 AM PT (US)
Tim - I'm not sure specifically, but I do remember seeing that before about razor cancels.

Can you scan part of the page and post it here so we can see? Then someone will be able to "interpret" the meaning.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-08-2015
09:03 PM PT (US)
I am translating some text from SBZ in French and from time to time I come upon words in brackets, for example, <<word>>, any idea what that means, it seems like emphasis.

--Tim
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-08-2015
12:21 PM PT (US)
Hi Bruce - I guess I didn't have the link obvious enough. I've moved it to the center of the banner.

BTW - your link came through as a text requiring copy and paste. But it pointed out the hidden link in the header.

All should be OK now.

Roger
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Bruce Marsden
09-08-2015
12:06 PM PT (US)
Greetings,

I finally found the moment to add a link to this Discussion Board at the AHPS Website. Please check it out to make sure it works.

www.swiss-stamps.org

Thank you!

Bruce Marsden
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Tim Gimmel
09-06-2015
08:54 PM PT (US)
Thanks everyone for your opinions on /m27.

Tim

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2015, at 5:40 PM, QT - retorix <qtopic-51-qdRWHrshP637@quicktopic.com> wrote:
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
06:42 PM PT (US)
For the record if people want to refer to a specific previous post the code which creates a reference quick link is to type /mxxx

backslash "m" and the xxx =the post number if we had a few thousand posts it would look like this /m2345

In this case it refers to itself since there is no number 2345 post.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
06:40 PM PT (US)
Tim - your stamps look good to me in post /m27.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
05:21 PM PT (US)
HI George -
I'm not sure why this is at the end of your messages. Is it because you are quoting the previous message. I've not seen that type of text before, even on the other board.

Strange - because I'm the moderator and I'm not doing anything to remove the message, and there is no message at 1:09pm. Maybe that is an East/West thing on the time clock for posts?

"On 9/6/2015 1:09 PM, QT - Tim Gimmel wrote:
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George Struble
09-06-2015
04:38 PM PT (US)
These stamps look OK to me. The overprint is very clean and precise. I have seen forgeries in which the wings were imprecise, and others in which there is extra ink blurring the center of the wheel. I see neither of those in these stamps.

George

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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
04:09 PM PT (US)
From looking at Franc Ritter's articles in the Alphorn all the measurement came out correct and the separation of the parts of the wings look good. The only thing I could not find was any type of "indentation" from the lithography he referred. However as green as I am, I'm not sure if I wold have ever caught it. The one thing I have noticed is it may have been re-gummed. But to me it not a big deal if it has. Stamps look good.

Tim
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
04:01 PM PT (US)

Here is a scan of Z.F1 and F2 I was referring.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
03:17 PM PT (US)

Tim,

Scan it if at all possible, then we can have a look.

You can scan and save to your desktop, then when posting here there is button to upload image, then you will see the "Choose File button. Click that and your desktop, or image file appears, then you select the appropriate image.

For example, what I believe is a 30 Centimes blue.
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Tim GimmelPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
02:59 PM PT (US)
I posted the below mails to secretary2@swiss-stamps.org and though I would post my findings here so everyone could find it.

Question:
I just received a circuit containing f1 and f2. They look really good but my understanding is very easy to fake the overprints. Anyone have any suggestions or can point me to article to differentiate the good from the bad?

Answer:
I think I found my answer, Helvetia Alphorn, Vol. 25 #1 & 2 by Franc Ritter.
Still thinking about getting expertised.

Tim
Edited 09-06-2015 03:02 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
02:21 PM PT (US)

It's easy to post images such as this new acquisition to my razor collection.

Aarau origin and receiving cancels outgoing dated 24 December mid-night, received 25 December 1am. Implies the clerk canceled mail to get Christmas Eve outgoing and when he had finished that, changed the time and date wheels and date stamped for Christmas Day. Most Aarau with both outgoing and incoming dates are the same time. The clerk marking the item in and out simultaneously.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09-06-2015
02:16 PM PT (US)
Here's a message board already set up for questions and answers relating to Swiss philately.

It only needs more people to use it.

Roger
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
08-15-2015
12:37 PM PT (US)
HI George - I will sign m y name each time.

I created a ID for another political chat board hosted here, and to open this board I should probably have just used my name instead of continuing with my ID.

Roger
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George Struble
08-15-2015
11:56 AM PT (US)
One problem with this site for sharing messages is that the sender identification is lost. I mistakenly attributed one of Roger's (I now believe) messages to Mike Peter. So please, everybody who posts messages, sign it at the bottom.

I will be delighted to join an informal AHPS meal together at STAMPSHOW in Grand Rapids. But not Friday lunch; then I am having lunch with an old Army buddy whom I haven't seen for about fifty years! He and I even had the same wedding date in 1955!

To include Bob Zeigler, we may need Saturday or Sunday lunch, when his judging responsibilities are taken care of.

George Struble

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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
08-13-2015
06:18 PM PT (US)

Anyone in the Pacific Northwest, don't forget SeaPex September 11-13.
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George Struble
08-11-2015
09:53 PM PT (US)
Thanks for the good news.

Roger Heath is also attending -- with two exhibits.

Cheers!

George

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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
08-11-2015
11:25 AM PT (US)
Hi George -
Yes, we are going ahead duplicating the award you retired.

Hello World - is anyone other than yourself and Bruce attending StampShow? The three of us will have a total of 5 Swiss exhibits on display. and Bob Zeigler is a judge.

Maybe a little later this week we can post a location to meet for Friday lunch together, or some similar activity.

Roger
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George Struble
08-10-2015
01:13 AM PT (US)
I apologize for being late to reply -- but I am not a voting member of the Board anyway. I think you have heard me say that the current Felix Ganz award is the most handsome trophy short of winning Wimbledon. I am thrilled to be able to keep it! I too have a copy of the Arthur Szyk sheet that was laminated on to produce the award; I will gladly donate it to AHPS to make a new award. My local trophy shop doesn't believe they or any other local company can laminate such a sheet onto a plaque. Clearly, someone, somewhere, can. I favor replicating the current award.

I will be in Grand Rapids for STAMPSHOW; will you be there?

Cheers!

George

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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2015
12:54 PM PT (US)
The society needs to make a decision about the future society Grand Award. Any comments are welcome.

Harlan Stone has offered the following solutions to us, each with a particular interest. These are the options.
 
1. If you want to duplicate the last award, I have in my files three copies of Arthur Szyk’s very colorful artwork for “Title page for Switzerland”. This can be laminated onto a plaque with an engraved metal plate with lettering for the “Felix Ganz Memorial Grand Award”.
 
2. I am willing to donate the grand award I retired in 1982, an old map of “Helvetia” in a frame measuring 21 1/2 inches wide by 19 inches high. This award was created by Felix. Attached is a metal plate with the wording “National Convention Grand Award” without Felix’s name. This plate can be unscrewed and replaced with new wording.
 
3. I am also willing to donate the grand award I retired in 1998, a pewter plate 11 3/4 inches in diameter with the cantonal coats of arms in relief around the rim. I bought this at a folk art store in Zurich. It is inscribed “National Convention Grand Award” without Felix’s name, This wording cannot be replaced.
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George Struble
05-05-2015
01:17 PM PT (US)
Main show entrance is good place. At noon!

Cheers!

George

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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
05-05-2015
01:02 PM PT (US)
PIPEX this weekend.

Lunch Saturday. Do we meet in main show entrance?
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04-20-2015
08:15 PM PT (US)
Edward - I don't have a problem with that though all efforts to trade or pay must be done via emails.

I would like to think collectors could posts specific needs, as detailed as possible, rather than "I collect Standing Helvetia, does anyone have this type of stamp?"

That would not be acceptable.

I think it OK to ask for Zumstein 68E - "Helvetta" flaw. Looking for one to exhibit, or complete my collection. ); >)

I've seen other boards and sometimes they become selling boards and that in not the intention here.

Directions to dealers and people who have selections available should be encouraged.
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Edward Duliba
04-20-2015
10:39 AM PT (US)
Hello,
Would it be permitted to place a want list on this forum?
Thanks,
Ed Duliba
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Roger Heath
03-30-2015
08:36 PM PT (US)
George - NOJEX is done. These were for StampShow in August. Boy, I hope my President's message is clearer than my posts here. LOL

The weather was really nice today, perfect for working in the garden today, this is good since the next few days are supposed to be overcast with light rain. We have a new neighbor with two horses, so Judy is making sure we get all the manure for later this season when fertilizing time comes near. The other new neighbor is tearing out a lot of fairly new patio pavers and said if we wanted them we were welcome. I calculate about 225 sqft. All we need to do is get them over from his yard to ours. Then I get to tear up turf so we can build a walk along the edge of one of the beds.

I think I'm glad I planned ahead, I knew something was going to happen in the garden this spring, but seem sit will all come this year.
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George Struble
03-30-2015
08:07 PM PT (US)
I hope you had sent your forms before this. I think NOJEX is now full (as is PIPEX :-) ).

George

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Roger Heath
03-30-2015
07:22 PM PT (US)
Well I mailed my two entry forms and synopese for my "Refused Swiss Mail" [7 frames] which will also be at NOJEX, and my newest and probably last iteration of Razor Cancels [9 frames] which will also be shown at PIPEX.

Looking forward to seeing the responses from the judges.

These for StampShow in Grand Rapids. I'll be spending a lot of time looking at exhibits there, and seeing what is to be found in dealer boxes.

George and I plan on "partying" in GR and look forward to seeing other AHPS members.

Post a note here if you are going to any of these shows.
Edited 03-30-2015 07:26 PM
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-24-2015
12:24 PM PT (US)
Hi Bruce -
George and I are sharing a room at Red Roof. It says 10 minute walk and we figure we can easily do that. LOL

When we reserved it was $99/night plus the NJ tax. George arrives Wednesday , I arrive Thursday. George leaves Sunday, I leave Monday.

I'm just figuring out how best t get to the hotel, probably train then bus/or cab.

I mailed my entry yesterday. 7 frames - Refused Mail of switzerland.

See you there. Roger
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Bruce Marsden
02-24-2015
08:26 AM PT (US)
NOJEX hotel information for Secaucus, NJ:
The official show rate at the Clarion Hotel Empire Meadowlands Hotel is $135 and you should be able to get that rate by calling the hotel. For a three night stay arriving Thursday, May 28, and departing Sunday, May 31st, this morning on February 24th the hotel's website is showing rates of $169 for a cancellable reservation, and $135 for a prepaid, no refund, reservation. There are alternative hotels in the area including a Red Roof Inn within walking distance.

Alternatively, if you will have a car for transportation, you may wish to consider using http://www.hotwire.com to make a discounted, prepaid, non-cancellable reservation in the Secaucus area. This morning, Hotwire is offering a "3-star" hotel in Secaucus (which I recognize as the show hotel) for $116 per night and other hotels for as little as $58 for those on a tight budget.

I look forward to greeting everyone at our convention at NOJEX, May 29-31.
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
02-01-2015
03:07 PM PT (US)
I've been experimenting this morning and now have uploaded a power point presentation of my razor cancels. This was shown at Moses Lake last year and again in the fall at the Sequim stamp club.

See how it works - DeCoppet Razor Cancels of Switzerland - 34.3MB download.
Edited 02-01-2015 03:08 PM
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George Struble
01-30-2015
02:27 AM PT (US)
I expect to be carrying SIXTEEN frames! I'm pretty sure all that can go in my backpack, except for the nine large (double or less) pages. My SCADTA exhibit is now up to six frames, and even so I have 26 SCADTA covers in reserve. According to Ian Gilchrist's census, I own about 15% of the total world inventory of Swiss SCADTA covers!

After the show, I promised I would go to my hometown in Pennsylvania for the quarterly luncheon of my high school class mates on June 2; we graduated SIXTY-FIVE years ago!. So I phoned my sister in State College, PA, proposing to visit her on June 1. It turns out that her granddaughter -- my great-niece -- is graduating from high school the evening of June 1 in Frederick, MD. So I will drive my sister down to Frederick, we will go to the graduation, the next morning we drive back to my home town for lunch, then I deliver her back to State College and hope to have dinner with Ernie Bergman that evening. Then June 3 I drive back to Newark, return the rental car and fly home. Amazing!

Cheers!

George

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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-30-2015
01:44 AM PT (US)
Welcome George - see your email about NOJEX.

I'm going to show my Refusé there. It's only 5 frames which makes it lighter to carry, than 9 frames of razors. LOL
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George Struble
01-29-2015
11:14 PM PT (US)
When I tried to make a reservation at the Clarion Hotel for NOJEX through the hotel's website, it wouldn't let me. When I phoned, the young man would have been happy to make a reservation for me -- at $135 per night. Next I will phone during the day when I can talk to a manager. Bruce Marsden tells me of a nearby hotel in walking distance at about $90 a night, so that is my plan B. Would somebody like to share a room with me? I will be there the nights of May 27 to 30; the room could be extended one more night is my roomie needs that.

George, gstruble@willamette.edu
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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01-29-2015
05:17 PM PT (US)

Welcome to Swiss Philately.

I think this will work well for any ongoing every day comments about our hobby. Guests can participate and we can talk about anything, even if it's not about "stamp collecting".

I'm posting an image of a Güller made canceler for Sweden to show the image capability, and also a link to our present Helvetia Society web site.

http://www.swiss-stamps.us/

Roger

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