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Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
10:52 PM PT (US)

This seems a typical beginner's page, which would help another beginner so don't throw them again. Some day somebody might want them. Most stamps have minor to median defects and are not suitable for a serious collector. It could be that some minor varieties might be present, but would need a much larger scanning resolution for that.

In general most beginner's material do not have much interest or value, but we all are in the hands of the laws of probabilities, which rarely throw a winning hand. Once I found an interesting stamp and ended selling it in another country for almost 10,000 times more. Odds are like one in a lifetime if one has a great depth, training and lots of luck. That happens in every form of activity, like in research and engineering, or meeting a good friend, etc.

Keep on looking... Raul
George HouzourisPerson was signed in when posted
07:41 PM PT (US)

I have come across this page among my father's belongings. It seems quite old. The stamps are actually glued onto the old album page. Can anyone tell me if there is any value or should I just throw them away?
Thank you for any assistance.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01:27 PM PT (US)

And another mailed on the 4th and received and processed in Zürich on 5 July 1906.

The Zürich canceler was made by Güller according to deCoppet's patents. This device was issued 29 September 1903.

Card short paid 5pf. = about 6 ½ centimes + 6 ½ penalty [double shortage] = 13 centimes rounded up to 15 collected.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01:17 PM PT (US)

Thought I'd put something up for 4 July.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12:40 AM PT (US)
Hi Joel,

Sorry I can't help. There are a couple of Liechtenstein that may be at our national meeting at SEAPEX, Tukwilla, near Seattle in September.

Otherwise I'm not going to encourage you, because those items were created to a collectors market with no consideration for resale.

I did find this as the closest possibility mint sets 1980-84 on eBay. Remember this is asking BIN price your best bet is to look under closed sales. Look for what you have by catalogue number.


My guess is that eBay could be your best bet, but it could take a while.
Joel MaxmanPerson was signed in when posted
08:43 AM PT (US)
I have what I believe is a complete collection of Liechtenstein issues from June 1975 through November 1999. The stamps were purchased by subscription from the Postwertzeichstelle der F.R.; all are in original packaging. Each includes one mint stamp and one first-day cover. I would like to sell this collection. Can anyone here advise on the best way to accomplish that? Thank you. joel [at symbol] maxman [dot] net
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
09:03 PM PT (US)

Then there is this which I use on my title page opening my Hotel Schweizerhof exhibit.
The Schweizerhof still exists and is in the same family since they ought it in the early 1860's.


This letter was forwarded to the Hotel Baur au Lac, Zürich (built 1844) and still exists. It is still a 5-Star hotel. I guess these fit into the category of hotel items, but most collectors assume a hotel cover must have a hotel stamp, which are usually very expensive. Guess that's why it is a thin area!
Edited 06-09-2018 09:04 PM
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
08:57 PM PT (US)

Hi Raul,

I guess people who collect hotel items choose how they collect. I have always looked out for special items, never knowing how they may eventually fit into a category I accumulate.

This is an 1864 example that I enjoy because then hotel was considered one of the classic hotel industry properties.
Edited 06-09-2018 08:58 PM
Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
02:51 PM PT (US)
Does this count as an old hotel item ? I have seen a number of these type in the past, but it might be that for it to count as Hotel philately it may need to be much earlier (i.e. some 10-20 years).

Is there some additional relevant info in the reverse of that postal card ? I'll keep my eyes open and see if I run across a number of earlier ones. As usual Italian Switzerland are more desirable, as well as a different cancellation. Nice !...
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12:58 PM PT (US)

June 7 1900 - Postal card sent from the Schweizerhof Hotel, Bellinzona to Eden Hotel, Palanza, Italy.

Bellinzona razor cancel.
David R S BrownPerson was signed in when posted
06:04 AM PT (US)
Thank you both for your comments. Alas, none of the stamps is tied to a cover so cannot be proved to be a genuine use but ...

David Brown
Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
09:38 PM PT (US)

David, Roger

I do also have the 2000 Amateur Collector catalog, and have been intrigued about the two post due cancellations introduced in mid-1955 to replace the conventional post due stamps.

I agree that the narrow period between the introduction of these hand-struck overprints and the expiration date of the 2nd landscape stamps would make those stamps quite unusual. But in the absence of a cover noting clearly what was the total amount of postage due (equal to the face value of all the T-cancelled stamps) they could not be considered a true philatelic item, specially if one considers that those stamps could have been hand-overprinted with the (A) type T cancel in about any post-office in Switzerland over a period of 20-30 years.

The H.L. Katcher catalog is the only one I have seen covering the T-cancels for the period of 1956 to 1987. The catalog mentions catalog values for the (A) and (B) hand overprints for several hundreds stamps, in the range US$ 1 to 30.

Many moons ago I purchased a large group of stamps with the (A) “T in circle” and (B) “Unframed large double-lined T”. These include more than 100 perfect SONs, plus many more not perfectly centered and about 50 on covers. One of the pages is titled “1955-1968 Experimental Postage Dues”. This might be supported by the fact that an SON for the (B) types is quite difficult in stamps of small size, and also because those stamps do not have gum (this is still iffy). The attachment shows a representative group of these (B)-type stamps.

The catalog years of implementation for this practice are not quite clear. We could certainly use opinions from more versed members…

Although respectable auctioneers might not consider hand-overprinted post dues not-on-cover to be legitimate philatelic items, I might offer later a lot to explore the response from collectors of the unusual.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
12:21 PM PT (US)
Hi David, welcome to this chat.

In my 2000 Katcher the comment is made - As all these stamps were invalidated December 31, 1955 and T cancelations were not introduced until that summer, they are extremely rare and prices cannot be quoted."

My guess is that you would need a certificate to prove these marks valid, and being off-cover makes that extremely difficult.

Wait to see if there are more answers.

David R S BrownPerson was signed in when posted
11:03 AM PT (US)

Second Landscape set used for Postage Due.

In the 1987 Amateur Collector catalogue Katcher reported that staps from the second landscape set were postmarked with a "T" in a circle and used as Postage Due stamps. This was for a short time only and such stamps are very rare.

Can anybody tell me anything more please?

Many thanks.
David Brown
Edited 05-04-2018 11:07 AM
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
11:48 PM PT (US)

In May my wife and I will be transferring from the train to a bus in Wohlen on our way to Gebenstorf. We'll stay there while visiting Brugg and Thalheim, where her relatives lived prior emigrating to the USA in the early 1850's. This is all new information in her research, so we have the opportunity to see what they left behind.
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