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retorixPerson was signed in when posted
06:16 PM PT (US)

Does anyone know the name of this type of cancel? I know it has a special name when the numerals match across the date bridge.

Raul A GonzalezPerson was signed in when posted
03:21 PM PT (US)
Answer to topic 239 by okbigguy

Those labels and similar items are Swiss Meter (machine impressions). These are discussed on a 92 pages Swiss catalog by Heiner Dürst:

Freistempelkatalog Schweiz, 1987. It is probably listed for sale in places as the Swiss eBay. It is not an easy piece of work...

This is a very special topic that probably attracts very few collectors. The above catalog lists some prices, but as so few are looking for these items, they can be obtained at low prices in bourses.

The Swiss postal meters started in 1923. They are in use by post offices and by private business, government and international organizations. There are a number of different mechanical meters. They can be found directly printed on envelopes, or on gummed labels with or without perforations, etc. Most items have low catalog values but a few might be as high as 50-100 SF.
okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
07:31 PM PT (US)

What can you tell me about these labels. Do they have any value?
WaldoPerson was signed in when posted
10:27 PM PT (US)
Thank you for the answer, I just leaned something new about Swiss stamps.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
10:23 PM PT (US)
There is a combination of two cancels. One is a date bridge cancel appropriate for the 5 centimes stamp before it was cut diagonally. The second is a date slug cancel prior to 1865.

It's a paste up fake. Value = 0
WaldoPerson was signed in when posted
09:04 PM PT (US)

I saw this bisect, and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about Swiss bisects, i know that they are mentioned for the 1862 issues, but not for this period. Can anyone tell me anything about it. I'm also curious as to what it's worth. Thanks.
Edited 09-26-2017 09:07 PM
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
04:41 PM PT (US)
I can't find the Basel 10 canceler in the proof books, but it obviously exists since is used on the 1931 card below.

A least we answered your original question - what is the text in front of ELIZABETHAN
Answer - FIL.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
10:32 PM PT (US)

Interesting - I just found another example of your cancel on Delcampe, but it's 1931. I will look another time soon to see if I can find it later in the proof books.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
10:30 PM PT (US)

This is a real puzzle!
The scan shows your cancel and a scan from the proof book that has similarities to your cancel, that I then "adjusted" by erasing lines to look similar to yours.

The most significant difference is the numeral "9". The "9" from the proof book has slanted tail compared to the panel on your cover which is more oval shaped. In looking through the proof books, Band III and Band IV I can find no postal cancels that have your "9". Though there are a few after 1926 which are for non-postal services.

The "V" for the Basel District is wide, and the only wide "V" I can find start after 1928. All "V"s prior are narrower and a more acute angle.
okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
09:36 PM PT (US)

scan of cancel - no stars
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
07:34 PM PT (US)

September 16, 1856 -
This letter was posted in Paris and addressed to Bern [received 18 Sept], then forwarded to the Schweizerhof Hotel in Luzern [received 19 Sept]. From there is was forwarded onward to Hotel Baur au Lac, Zurich [received 20 Sept].

I doubt this letter would be forwarded with such efficiency today.
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
03:12 PM PT (US)

I found this, but it was issued 3 months after your date.
Notice the location of the "B" and "0" in relation to the date bridge. They are different than your drawing. So my guess is the one with hacheures was modified since the Basel 10 is located like yours. I can't explain the off center Elisabethen
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
01:22 AM PT (US)

OK - I found this after looking through many pages of the proof book. This does not mean I found the right one!

Same circumstance as the Lausanne. These earlier cancelers were all sent back to either the factory or the Bern PO repair shop for updating and modification.

Double check your cancel since this is from the proof book and your image looks hand drawn, so a scan of the actual cancel could be more accurate.

The "1" of the Basel 10 is a give away.

BTW - All the post 1914 cancelers appear to have small stars as decoration so I if this is not the correct canceler, yours should have small stars, one on each side, somewhere on the sides between the inner circle and outer circle.
Edited 09-15-2017 01:25 AM
okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
08:51 AM PT (US)
Thanks for the info. On the Basel 10 cancel I am wondering if there is something in front of Elisabethen as it is off center?
retorixPerson was signed in when posted
10:31 PM PT (US)

Hello OK -

Found your Lausanne cancel in Güller proof book from May 1909. [#17714-15]

Sometime after 1914, and most likely after 1917, the canceler would have been sent to have the hacheures removed and the cross and district number added. Also, the hour date wheels would have been changed from the Roman numeral, before noon/Arabic after noon, to the 24 hour clock used by the European railways. Your example is 10pm.

I could look for your Basel cancel in the proof book, but have no examples of airmail covers.
okbigguyPerson was signed in when posted
08:54 PM PT (US)

Also looking for bottom of this cancel
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