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Aestrix
04-17-2015
04:24 PM ET (US)
1. I feel like any precautions we make are more likely to hurt us than the traitor, but if anyone can think of a good precaution that won't hamstring our greatest asset (our ability to talk to each other) I'm all ears. Thoughts on the traitor: if they could out us all day one this would be a very short game, so I suspect they have SOMETHING keeping them from doing that. Most obvious is that they need to live in order to win, but I might be able to think of other things if I sat down and thought about it for a while.

I'm not inclined to think the gods are lying, that would be an extra bastardy thing to do. The gods are kind of bastards, but not to the point where they would incite a witch hunt among our own with no actual traitor to find, kill, and display the pieces of at carnivals.

2. Moderation, I'd say. It's okay if our compatriots get a BIT of heat on them, everyone gets a bit of heat on them in a mafia game. Intervene through some indirect means if you need to at all. Something that worked last game for me with defense of michaelblume was pretending to ignore the person being bandwagoned and starting ANOTHER, better one, but there's no guarantee that'll work. Especially if *I* do it, people are catching on to my tricks. Tulip getting attention from Kappa via RNG? Fine, it doesn't look like it's going anywhere, and Kappa's making the mistake of not making the RNG public, so no one will trust that it's truly random.
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TamienPerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)
In case anyone missed it, we have been assigned lucky forum number 13: http://alicorn.elcenia.com/board/viewforum.php?f=13
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jalapeno_dudePerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)
Ok, Kappa's "random numbers" are making me *extremely suspicious*. Do we already have an infosec problem?
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Shoal
04-17-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)
I think if all 5 of us discend on the heretic and say TULIP IS INNOCENT DIE YOU INFIDEL HOW COULD YOU SUGGEST OTHERWISE that would be extremely conspicuous. We should avoid voting each other when we think our vote will get the other person lynched (except when we must, or like in pistachi0n's situation), but we should be careful to neither appear too co-ordinated or too knowledgeable or too clique-y in public. If we work together in kind of ever shifting groups of 2 or so that should be okay.

Example (with names made up, not even bothering to look at the player list)

day 1: pistachi0n and me are both mildly suspicious of andais. jalapeno and aesterix don't really respond to this and are both separately a little suspicious of tau for different reasons. tamien and tulip are mildly suspicious of kappa

day 2: aesterix and me are mildly supicious about something wolf said. jalapeno and tulip are more focused on something mildly supicious modrony said. pisachi0n and tamien etc. somebody else.
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pistachi0n
04-17-2015
04:12 PM ET (US)
In addition to my win condition of killing the infidels, I also have to get lynched before game over. So if suspicion gets cast on any of you, please throw me under the bus. It'll make you less suspicious to town as well if one of you guys start a bandwagon against me. I'd like to play for a few days, though, just to have fun.

Also, every night I can protect one person from getting lynched the next day. I will probably protect jalapeno_dude because he is definitely not the traitor unless there is extreme suspicion on someone else.
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jalapeno_dudePerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)
Okay, I am sufficiently happy with the answers I got from Alicorn that I am willing to start discussing game stuff here. I will post some nice flavortext for the SUPER HOLY AND DEFINITELY CORRECT RELIGION CHURCH OF RYGNAAV once we get our forum up, but I don't want to bother doing that now.

So, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on 2 topics:
1. What, if any, precautions should we take against our traitor? Is it a good idea, and/or worth it, to intentionally throttle our communications channel to thwart them?
2. What should be our response when one of our members is accused by the EVIL DIRTY MAGIC-USING HERETICS, e.g. Tulip by Kappa just now? Should we coordinate our response? Intentionally not do so? When should we be willing to sacrifice one of our number?
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Aestrix
04-17-2015
03:48 PM ET (US)
SECRET SUBFORUM sounds good, I'm not really picky on where we do our plotting. All are fine, I look forward to killing people with all of you :)
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Shoal
04-17-2015
03:31 PM ET (US)
@Tamien:

Be sure to do sanity tests like checking that a regular user (one without access to the secret subforum) cannot see that another user is a member of the usergroup MAFIOSOS and cannot see anything suspicious by looking at someone's profile.
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Shoal
04-17-2015
03:26 PM ET (US)
In /m13 Tamien wrote:
I am currently figuring out how it's done on a forum where I have admin privileges and will attempt to walk her through shortly :P

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TamienPerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
03:24 PM ET (US)
Alicorn has agreed to make a SECRET SUBFORUM so long as someone tells her how. I am currently figuring out how it's done on a forum where I have admin privileges and will attempt to walk her through shortly :P
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pistachi0n
04-17-2015
03:20 PM ET (US)
Then I vote for Alicorn making us a SECRET SUBFORUM.
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Shoal
04-17-2015
03:19 PM ET (US)
We can only password protect it if one of us pays $49 a year to get Quick Topic PRO. But this place is private for as long as nobody gives out the URL to anybody not in our group, which even if you are the traitor is ruining the game for everybody because half the fun is working it out for yourself.
Edited 04-17-2015 03:19 PM
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pistachi0n
04-17-2015
03:15 PM ET (US)
Can this be our SECRET SUBFORUM? Is there any way to password protect a Quicktopic? I've never used one before. We could post the link and password the after game is over.
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Shoal
04-17-2015
03:09 PM ET (US)
Also agree SECRET SUBFORUM would be best. After the game, the thread could be moved out of the secret subforum.

An IRC bouncer bot thing would be great for the dead hangout, too.
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jalapeno_dudePerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
03:05 PM ET (US)
@Shoal: No, I think that's fine. But no discussion of roles, game strategy, etc for the moment.

The SECRET subforum idea seems like the best plan, if Alicorn is willing to do it.
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TamienPerson was signed in when posted
04-17-2015
03:04 PM ET (US)
I sent this out to half of the people, but didn't catch the other half before I got the PM to come here.

This only being able to PM so many people at once thing is really annoying. Also I am DESPERATELY AFRAID of PM'ing the wrong people by accident. We need a secure channel ASAP :P

My preference would be for a private (passworded?) irc channel with an IRC bot keeping logs somewhere (Google docs was my first thought, but if that gets crunchy for people, it could be anywhere). An IRC bouncer that gives people all the offline chatlogs when they log in would work at least as well - if Shoal can do one that would be cool; I also know someone who has offered to help me set one up later today. Hangouts ended up being annoying for a lot of people - I like having chatlogs in my gmail but it's otherwise kindof cumbersome - so I'd vote against that. I'd be entirely willing to try Quicktopic, though.

As an option that hasn't been suggested yet, I'd also be willing to have a SECRET SUBFORUM created for just the mafia - if only one game is gonna be run on this forum at a time, the mods can just change who has access to the SECRET SUBFORUM between games, and housekeeping shouldn't be much of a hassle. Which I think I would prefer to Quicktopic because it means I don't have to go to a whole other website, but it's up to Alicorn if she wants to bother creating such.
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