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RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
07:58 PM ET (US)
SB killed Conq.
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
02:02 PM ET (US)
*Headbutts Cheez to come back to life*
02:51 PM ET (US)
Except I was calling myself bigbadmod, not you. >_>
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
05:21 AM ET (US)
Well it sure seemed like you were using it as means of an insult towards me; especially as that PM came shortly after the Shadoweh hoo-ha.
Edited 01-21-2014 05:22 AM
08:03 PM ET (US)
What? bigbadmafia/bigbadmod had absolutely nothing to do with the state of this game. bigbadmafia is something people call me on SF because it stands for BBM and my name there is BigBadMarshmallow, and replacing 'mafia' with 'mod' was a reference to the fact that I'm currently modding two games; one here and one on SF. >_>
Edited 01-20-2014 08:06 PM
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
07:00 PM ET (US)
Announceing almost MYLO because there is literally one situation where a mislynch doesn't mean town automatically loses here.

If SB kills Cheez. Since's SB's shot goes first Cheez's shot dosen't go off. But SB has win priroity so the only reason he would shoot Cheez is if he thinks Cheez would shoot him.

But doing that means town wins as they would then probobly lynch SB. It would be self-destructive.

Unless Serela screws up LYLO again; ofc.

Town loses if any other outcome happens on a mislynch; including Cheez and SB killing the same person.

If town lynches right Town basically wins unless they really mess up D5.
Edited 01-20-2014 07:02 PM
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
06:50 PM ET (US)
Cheez8: Kill Dorian
SB: Kill DNA
DNA: Doctor SB [LOL]

D4 being posted.
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
05:20 PM ET (US)
No; but everyone seems to be hating on me. And I'm not ENJOYING running a setup that much. I didn't mind it when I co-modded; but being the full mod; I don't like it much. IDK; maybe it's because Coursework+Birthday made me pretty busy.

By the way; apparently SB was giving you his commands viva Skype and mine viva PM since he dosen't have my Skype; which may as well be him PM'ing you for all intents and purposes.

For that matter; by the way; I do not appreciate you going behind my back and saying things like:
[17:55:27] SB: bigbadmafia
[17:55:39] BBM: well right now it's more like
[17:55:40] BBM: bigbadmod

And then turning around and saying things like 'Also, everyone makes flawed setups or flawed modding decisions sometimes. That doesn't mean you stop modding; it means you learn from what you did wrong and do better the next time. Do you give up playing mafia every time you get lynched? '

Kinda two-faced to be honest.

And no; I don't give up playing mafia when I get lynched because I enjoy playing mafia. Unlike modding seems to feel to me.
Edited 01-20-2014 05:22 PM
01:10 AM ET (US)
I think Dorian's last post might be the best I've ever read.
04:04 PM ET (US)
Also, everyone makes flawed setups or flawed modding decisions sometimes. That doesn't mean you stop modding; it means you learn from what you did wrong and do better the next time. Do you give up playing mafia every time you get lynched?
03:56 PM ET (US)
But uh, I thought that it wasn't my responsibility as a co-mod to read every single message in all the quicktopics??? Shadoweh sent in the action in the qt; it's pretty safe to infer that she'd also be the one taking the kill. >_>

While what DNA said about GF isn't wrong, with a SK and an unlimited Vig, you'd also assume a scum BPV (his reason for thinking Conq is scum), except there isn't a scum BPV. You'd also assume some sort of Ninja for the Tracker. And there actually isn't a JoaT either; that's a fake.

It is pretty hilarious though that SB BSed a report, got his target's alignment wrong, but then also got it right because Godfather.
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
11:58 AM ET (US)
'We have a unlimited cop, track and a joat. I would expect a godfather from this setup.' - Well done DNA.

Also; it was not clear; for one very important reason:

We did not know in the QT WHO was going to perform the nightkill from that post. While Cheez was talking about roleblocking someone; shadoweh could have decided to rolecop.

Also there is a reason I have been posting the night actions in this thread. To get around the rather minor issue of people forgetting to PM you.
09:06 PM ET (US)
A QT message is also a intent to communicate with the mod. I certainly see it as such in any case.

The rules also explicitly state that orders must be PMed to both of us, yet SB didn't. Yes, you can forward the PM to me, but by that vein, it was also 100% clear that the mafia intended to kill SB. There was no discussion about the kill after that message. In both cases, something worded explicitly in the rules was not followed. If you're going to uphold the letter of the law rather than the spirit, do it evenly.

Not gonna talk more about this because we're both clearly set in our opinions.
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
08:49 PM ET (US)
Since the rules explicitly stated orders must be PM'ed? I don't see orders being sent in the QT in games I've played.

There is this thing called emphasis. Yes; you can change things after the PM; but you are directly communicating your intent to change to the mod.

Ultimately it dosen't even matter. Shadoweh failed to follow the rules; and failed to heed 4 prompts and a prompt about asking me questions in her role PM. That is 6 failures she could have heeded to prevent this.
Edited 01-17-2014 08:52 PM
08:46 PM ET (US)
Since when has it been ironclad that the QT is only for discussion? My teammates and/or I have submitted actions in QT in almost every game I've played as mafia.

Of course formatting makes it definitive. You're not going to bold something with hashtags unless you're submitting an action. And submitting a PM doesn't mean that things are not subject to change. People change their actions all the time after sending a PM. Two townies did so in this game itself.
RaikariaPerson was signed in when posted
08:42 PM ET (US)
The wording of the QT does not make it final. Formatting certainly does not.

The QT's purpose is discussion. The entire reason the mod needs to be PM'ed is finalization. Until then it is discussion between the scum team. While it is in the QT things are subject to be changed; and even edited. This is not the case with a PM.

So yes; that rule is important; and does make the game run smoothly.

The worst thing is if Shadoweh was unsure it specifically said in her PM to PM me if she was unsure about anything. She she even PM'ed me about other things she was unsure about before!

And Shadoweh was there; seeing how quickly she responded and protested to my ruling.

Compared to forgetting to send a PM to you; which I can easily fix by fowarding; not sending a PM at all with orders is pretty large. Especially since that is the default for any game of mafia; and Shadoweh has played MORE than enough games to know this.

Until the PM is sent; anything in the QT is subject to change. This is why I could not accept the discussion in the QT as the final order; and this is why a PM is required.
Edited 01-17-2014 08:47 PM
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