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What if our men literally danced like David Danced in 2 Samuel 6

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Kaye Strauss
12-08-2016
11:54 AM ET (US)
Thank you for spearheading the topic Andrew & & thank you Vera for setting the misunderstanding of how David danced 'naked' , straight, because it is one of my 'pet peeves' too!!!
I believe it is about abandoning ones self to heart worship in the purest sense, which means not worrying about 'protocols' nor 'religious' requirements, nor what people may think, because when the Holy Spirit moves you then you need to move!!!
There is something more powerful in the spiritual atmosphere that happens when a man dance & flag before the Lord which I have seen over the years (49yrs) of my dancing with groups in South Africa, Ukraine & UK! Yeshua, as a Rabbi, would have been one of the first to get up & danced for sure, so... It is time for men of God to Arise & Shine for the Light has come & the Glory of the Lord has risen upon you!! Be a worship warrior for the Lord!!!
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Andrew D ParkPerson was signed in when posted
01-27-2015
02:20 AM ET (US)
Posted by me on behalf of Vera Chierico, coordinator for the ICDF Network for Messianic Dance And Tambourine:

All my men in New Jerusalem Dancers have done exactly that for 25 yrs.

They wear 'robes of a priest' Ex 28 (( first 40 verses) we call them 'garments of praise and worship' and they are sacred! I do not allow them to eat or drink in these costumes!
David would have to have worn the entire robes of a priest (Ex 28:1-40 )since traditionally you can't wear one item( ephod, 2 Sam 6:14 ) without the rest, they were so sacred, Kadosh, it had to be worn in its entirety.
 
Also the steps described in The Tenakh original Hebrew Scriptures were PRECISE and explained exactly what the body was doing, 'jump on both feet, dance a round dance, spiral, limp, march in two lines etc. but sadly got translated as joy, celebrate, rejoice, dance, festivities feasts, etc.

I have based much of my choreography on the steps in the Tenakh which David would have been using. Therefore NJD men DO dance as David danced. Fully clothed ( agrhrh I HATE that 'nakedness' misunderstanding!!!)!

He was exposing his STATUS not his body, lowering it from a king to a priest as he danced, reminding the people that he was a simple shepherd.
 
If you knew how strictly the Torah/Tenakh was observed in those days he would have been stoned for dancing inappropriately robed.

During the recent Paul Wilbur conference in London last December, a local minister took the mic and said 'The BIBLE says!!!!!!! when David danced his skirt fell off!!! ' Gotta say I totally lost any respect for that man, since the Bible does not say anything of the sort! I would have politely asked him to show me chapter and verse but NJD were dancing so much I did not have time.

SEARCH THE WORD! Don't just repeat what others 'think' and say without looking for yourself.
 
I believe this is called my 'pet peeve?'

A lovely man once told me ' I will not dance before the LORD because it caused David to dance naked! ' after a brief chat, with me ......he has been worshipping in dance with NJD for over 15 yrs.
 
Blessings in abunDANCE, for both women and MEN Vera Chierico
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Andrew D ParkPerson was signed in when posted
12-13-2014
05:47 PM ET (US)
Acknowledgment: The art above is from Rebecca Brogan's great spiritual art at John the Baptist Artworks. It is of David dancing.
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Andrew D Park
10-10-2014
03:11 AM ET (US)
To give this discussion more "legs" so to speak, I'll include the following link to some worthwhile articles on the ICDF website from Andy Raine, coordinator of the Men In dance network:
http://icdfnetworks.wordpress.com/category/men-in-dance/
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Andrew D ParkPerson was signed in when posted
09-17-2014
07:34 AM ET (US)
I'm seeing men participate in fairly safe forms of dance such as waving flags. And I do a bit of that myself. But I'm certainly not seeing many men coming anywhere near to doing risky dance forms and moves like David danced. Why is that so? Is modern religious culture too tame and moralistic for men to become involved in it?
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Andrew D ParkPerson was signed in when posted
09-17-2014
07:09 AM ET (US)
We’ve all probably heard the song “We’ll dance like David danced” at some time. And we’ve probably all read about it in 2 Samuel 6, when David, dressed ceremonially in priest’s linen, danced with great abandonment before God, when the Ark of the Covenant was returned and paraded through the City of David.
There is some indication in the story that David – not known for his modesty – was minimally dressed at the time. So much so in fact, that his wife, Michal, reflecting her public humiliation as his Queen, sarcastically criticised him with the words: “How wonderfully the king has distinguished himself today – exposing himself to the eyes of the servants’ maids like some burlesque street dancer!”
To that retort, David relied to Michal, “In God’s presence I’ll dance all I want! He chose me over your father and the rest of our family and made me prince over God’s people, over Israel. Oh yes, I’ll dance to God’s glory – more recklessly even than this. And as far as I’m concerned … I’ll gladly look like a fool … but among these maids you’re so worried about, I’ll be honoured no end.”
And the story closes by telling that this event basically caused a major rift in David’s marriage to Michal, so it became just a marriage `in name’ only, without any further sexual intimacy between them: “Michal, Saul’s daughter, was barren the rest of her life” (Peterson, Eugene. 2004. Message Bible, p.379).
David’s dance has been compared to the war dances used by the Spartans of Tyrtaeus (Wolf, H. Dancing. In The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia Of The Bible. 1975. Vol. D-G. Zondervan, Grand Rapids, p.11). It was presumably a highly masculinized form of dance, triumphal in its warrior qualities.
So wives, girlfriends, mothers and grandmothers, what if your son, father, boyfriend or husband literally took to dancing in worship of God with utter abandonment and minimal clothing in public as an empty cross (or its religiously symbolic equivalent) was paraded in your city square where everyone you knew could see it? How would it challenge you as his wife, girlfriend, fiancé, daughter, granddaughter, sister or close friend, morally and relationally? And what if he gave good religious reasons to justify why he did it? How would you react? What would you say to him? What would you say to your friends watching?
And for both the men and the women, what could you deduce from this about religious culture today which is a possible disincentive for men becoming dancers in today’s society? And how could those obstacles to men dancing in public and faith community settings be practically overcome?

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