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Blazinghand
08-09-2012
04:11 PM ET (US)
I know you've already asked him in-thread, but it would be worth it to ask again for him to at least post reads/info before he flips. In the event he's a townie you'll want all the information you can get.
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Shady Sands
08-09-2012
03:19 PM ET (US)
Also, I'm kind of sad that Alan didn't name any specific scenarios that might occur were he to flip green. Where is his case on anyone?
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Shady Sands
08-09-2012
03:19 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I should have read it more closely. This was my mistake.
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Blazinghand
08-09-2012
02:29 AM ET (US)
Seriously though in the OP it says you gotta PM the hosts, make sure to read the OP:

>The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel...
>If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button.
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Blazinghand
08-09-2012
02:27 AM ET (US)
No problem, we all make mistakes-- just make sure to read the stickies next time. In terms of the XXII thread atmosphere being ruined, don't worry, I think JH has the covered lololo
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Shady Sands
08-09-2012
02:24 AM ET (US)
Got it. Sorry about the post in the banlist thread--I was just really frustrated, but I didn't want to ruin the XXII thread atmosphere by blowing my gasket in there.
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Blazinghand
08-09-2012
12:34 AM ET (US)
I honestly can't tell with him. This is a call you have to make. His actions seem unreasonable to me, but reading emotion is difficult, as scum can fake it. It's up to you to determine the context and scumminess of his insult barrage.

Regarding complaining about his conduct, A) send the host a PM or B) wait for the post-game and bring it up then.
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Shady Sands
08-08-2012
10:28 PM ET (US)
So JingleHell seems to be reverting to being angry again. Is this a legitimate scum play? Making it seem like any analysis I perform on him is just a grudge?
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Shady Sands
08-08-2012
07:18 PM ET (US)
Got it. I'm not sure why JingleHell is being so quiet. Kind of strange, IMO
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Blazinghand
08-08-2012
01:33 PM ET (US)
JH has been lurking since the Day Post, and aRyuujin has been lurking since DP flipped. In the event Alan flips town, you need to be ready to pressure people going into MYLO. Don't let the current consensus make town a quiet place. Scum loves the quiet and hates and open, discussing town. Right now it looks like you could go into MYLO with barely any more info than you have now (besides 2 more flips).
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Blazinghand
08-07-2012
07:29 PM ET (US)
If you really think Alan is the doctor, forcing him to roleclaim today isn't a great idea. That being said, if you think the ONLY possibilities are that Alan is scum, or Alan is the doctor and JH is scum, then this plan you've got going in the thread works.

However, I don't like the way you've committed to a lynch of JH if Alan flips town. Now, I know you think one of them has to flip scum, but didn't you just post that aRyuujin was one of your scumreads? If he is indeed scum, all he has to do is support the Alan lynch, then help you lynch JH, and he wins. This kind of absolute plan for lynching people is a really easy way to give scum a win.

Here's what I would recommend instead: state your scumreads plainly in the thread and push them. No claims, no plans, no weird mechanics stuff, just push your scum reads. Make your cases and try to convince town. You have 1 mislynch left, which means you can't lynch all three of them, and why decide NOW which 2 you're going to lynch? Force them to talk, and refine your read on them, and gather more information.

It seems you've really wanted to have some sort of "plan" or "claim" to happen to simplify the game, but even now this is still a game of mafia. If you forget that, scum could easily win. Don't let your third scumread get a free ride-- you're giving him one right now.
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Shady Sands
08-07-2012
05:12 PM ET (US)
Well that just simplified things for us. Basically scum was forced into killing one of the lurkers in order to make sure his kill wouldn't be blocked.
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Blazinghand
08-07-2012
02:04 PM ET (US)
This pressure on JH is good. If you think that between Alan and JH, there is the last scum and the doctor, just pressure both of them hard as you can, and you're guaranteed the be pressuring the scum player. Also pressure anyone else who you suspect has a chance of being the final scum-- don't just think it could only be these 2.

ALSO: Do not get tunnel vision. Remember that even if Ange, GK, aRyuujin and Obvious all seem townie to you, you should keep an eye on them. You can never be 100% certain of a scumread-- and if one of them is the last scum, you don't want to be fooled. Stay vigilant.

Don't let them lurk, or sheep. Especially now that the game is small, everyone must be held accountable. Keep everyone talking. It may seem like you're winning, but a lone scum is the hardest scum to catch, and if you mislynch today things get very dicey.

Keep on talking, keep on analyzing, and keep on making others do the same.
Edited 08-07-2012 03:44 PM
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Shady Sands
08-07-2012
01:04 PM ET (US)
Fair enough. I'm just convinced that between Alan and Jingle, we have our remaining scum and our doctor. I'm curious as to see who gets NK'd tonight.
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Blazinghand
08-07-2012
12:16 AM ET (US)
Like, to be completely clear, trying to force a blue player to claim when you don't know what that player knows is a risky play. You don't know why the Doctor hasn't claimed, and maybe the Doctor just doesn't want to. That's information that you don't have, and neither of us are qualified to make the decision for the doctor.
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Blazinghand
08-07-2012
12:03 AM ET (US)
It might be simpler, instead of asking the medic to roleclaim, to just push Alan as hard as possible. If he's close to getting lynched and he's the medic, he'll claim it. Just post a case against him and say "I will push you till you die" or something. That way if you die, and town pushes him, he'll either claim medic and the wagon will stop, or he won't claim medic, and die as scum.

EDIT: your current strategy will do the same thing, but might be more complicated, and requires waiting like 24 hours until everyone has posted at least once in the thread to confirm who claims medic, etc.

Also, your strategy forces the medic to claim before LYLO, which he might not want to do, since if you mislynch today and the medic claims, he dies tonight and can't be saved. The fact that the Doctor has avoided detection all game is actually really good and difficult play by him, and this would undo all of that.
Edited 08-07-2012 12:05 AM
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