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Randy1Person was signed in when posted
10:06 PM ET (US)
Ask the new OIC why you are not getting the cleanings hours as you did in the past.

There is a MOU on cleaning hours in RMPO's, however I don't think it covers PMR's as you are not part of the bargaining unit.
04:46 PM ET (US)
Maybe somebody can give some enlighting! I work in a rural (very rural) 2hr office. The last 1.5 years I got every week 1.5 hrs for cleaning. I would guess somebody ordered that and approved it. Now we got a new OIC and all sudden I won't get those cleaning hrs. no more. Is there somebody here in a 2hr office that gets cleaning hrs or does anybody knows anything about it?? Most of my customers are Ranchers, so you can imagine the dirt and mud in the lobby, not to speak my own shoes. Since I am there (2015) I gained way more box customers and revenue, because people like to come again to this post office. So, I have more traffic in customers and now they want me to do the cleaning (what means with all that dirt almost every day) during the regular hrs, what is nearly impossible. Any comments on this, please!!!???
05:42 AM ET (US)
Well...I guess I'll have to wait 'till the next time. (ha ha)
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
08:10 AM ET (US)
I got one of those, but it was weeks ago.
konoctiguyPerson was signed in when posted
04:05 AM ET (US)
I just got a letter inviting me to be a temporary PMR for the Rural Route Count but the letter arrived 2 days after the deadline to apply. The term is about 3 weeks max.
Re: briscov
08:11 PM ET (US)
Don't know who you are talking to but raises aren't applied for by local management. Every step increase and/or COLA is controlled by HRSSC. If you need clarification on pay you could always contact them with your questions at
1-877-477-3273, option 5. Also, no you do not get paid mileage for travelling to your base office.
12:04 PM ET (US)
So being a PMR at a PTPO wouldn't I still qualify for a raise. I have been there over two years and got a raise after the first 6 months but nothing after. Wouldn't I be covered under the latest contract. I have been told even though I am not a union employee I should still be getting raises like all the other employees, like COLAS and other pay increases. Normally are raises automatic or does your PM have to ask or do I need to request a raise? I am sure my PM has applied and received his normal raises and also gotten the pay for performance increase.
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
10:44 AM ET (US)
The only offices that are still allowed to have PMR's are the 2 hour offices, and the Part Time Post Offices (PTPO"s).
Since your office is 4 hours, it would not be allowed to have a PMR unless it is a PTPO.
A PTPO is an office that is far away (over 25 miles) from an Administrative Post Office (APO).
If that is your situation, then the Postmaster Replacement is properly a PMR (Post Master Replacement).
Is the office managed by the District, or by an APO?
That would make the difference.
Stop-n-hopPerson was signed in when posted
08:25 AM ET (US)
Briscov - I don't think you get mileage if this is the office that hired you. As a PMR you are represented by the Postmasters Union. In my experience the Postmasters Union does very little to help its members. I would advise you to apply for PSE clerk jobs so that you would have some union representation and a path toward a career. The PMR job is a path to nowhere.
06:15 PM ET (US)
I am a PMR in a rural post office and only work on Saturdays for 4 hours. I drive 35 miles one way to the post office. How do I find out if I should be under another job heading like PSE and do they ever pay for mileage? also my PM tells me he can't get a raise for me and that I need to contact the union, wouldn't raises be automatic?
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
04:58 PM ET (US)
/m4391 I think they just ended up on the wrong board. Utica is too big to have PMR's.
PMR2PSE2PTFPerson was signed in when posted
04:49 PM ET (US)
/m4388 -- you wrote, "PMRs are the lowest of the low Pee-ons. Union wont help you at ALL."

Why would the union help PMRs? They are technically management/EAS employees, not clerk craft... and they are not represented by the union and they do not pay union dues. So again, why would you expect the APWU to help PMRs?
PMR2PSE2PTFPerson was signed in when posted
04:25 PM ET (US)
/m4387 First of all, I misunderstood your previous posting -- I misread it to think you were paid out at $16.62, not $16.98. (When you said "award" I thought you meant a grievance settlement, not the recent raise for PSEs). I misunderstood it -- mea culpa. That said, there is no need to be an obnoxious jerk with your rude reply. You could have simply said that you think I misunderstood your question and clarified, rather than lash out like you did.

As for the $16.98 versus $17.00 thing, it is because the 2.3% raise is based off of the rate at the *start* of the contract (which I believe was $15.63). So the raise this last November was 2.3% of $15.63, not 2.3% of $16.62, which is 36 cents -- making the new rate of pay $16.98, not $17.00. Look at the contract. It specifically says "(a)ll percentage increases are applied to the wage rates in effect May 20, 2015". (Source: Page 29 of the PDF version of the 2015-18 APWU contract.)

See? I "did the math". And I read the contract for answers. (Try it!) You are NOT being cheated out of 2 cents an hour.

All that said, given the uncalled for tone of your rude reply to me I don't know why I decided to help you anyway. I guess it was only so others with the same question can get answers. And if you only want help from union reps, contact the union directly, not an Internet message board. And why was your question on the PMR forum anyway, and not the PSE forum? And before you *do* talk to an "official" union rep, I suggest checking your attitude at the door if you really want them to help you.
Edited 01-01-2018 04:55 PM
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
10:30 AM ET (US)
If you have evidence, give it to the NLRB. Get more active in the union yourself. Get together with like minded people and take it over.
Fraud AND Abuse
09:31 AM ET (US)
the APWU is the most worthless fat cat union ive ever seen. reps get paid and do NOTHING> the local in Utica NY refuses to file grievances because they say management will 'retaliate' (or laziness) Retaliation is ILLEGAL!!! hello. Wish someone would investigate. PMRs are the lowest of the low Pee-ons. Union wont help you at ALL.
07:07 PM ET (US)
So you just stated that the violation was at 16.62 and 2.3% is 17. So what was the point of your post pmrpseptf? I was more looking for a union rep who could speak intelligently about this. Did you even take the time to do the math before responding? How many millions of dollars will this save the postal service by cheating us out of .02 cents a hour? What i would like to know is who to contact to get a straight answer and a solution? So pmrpseptf if you have that let me know otherwise dont waste my time.
PMR2PSE2PTFPerson was signed in when posted
06:04 PM ET (US)
/m4383 There is no "formal" training as a PMR, but you will certainly get some OJT before you're turned loose on your own.

/m4384 If it's a 4-hour office, it's a contract violation. PSEs should staff the 4-hour offices. PMRs should be in 2-hour offices.
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