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Michael Freed
07-14-2019
12:01 PM ET (US)
General comment
I feel sad to be reading this only after learning about Larry's passing. So much of what is here resembles my own struggles of trying to undermine the current systems of control corporations & other structures that currently rule the world have, including how at the organizational level we need Ashbey’s Law of Requisite Variety, something I realized, but never knew there was a name for.
Is anyone still managing this website &/or attempting to carry out any of Larry's ideas? If nothing else, I would love to compare how much of what we have independently cleaned matches. But also, I may have some very valuable insights on organizing: ideas about how to get from where we are to where Larry wanted to go FROM here that may be as unique as were Larry's own insights.
I HOPE someone is attempting to continue this. There is a LOT of value to be found here.
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David Braden
11-01-2009
12:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 21
Here is an example of how your mind/world has already been processed into cyberspace:

http://www.ned.com/group/community-general/news/355/45/

I cannot engage this as a "task of processing nuet's archive" but I do enjoy, and find highly beneficial, the exchange of patterns from our respective mind/worlds.
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David Braden
11-01-2009
12:43 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 19
Let me share my interpretations of this process as I experience it.

Information, an experience, a data point can exist in the memory without link to other data points - as in studying for a test and being able to answer a specific question on the test - after which the 'memory' or the data may be lost (at least to consciousness - it may still be stored in the brain somehow and available to subconscious processes.)

We attempt to use the data that we experience in response to desire. We are each motivated to obtain certain things from the world and we use what information we have to attempt to acquire those things. This is the process that I think you are describing as World-Weaving - building a model/map of how the world will respond to actions we might take. Over a life time, specific sets of experience reinforce specific 'stories' about how the world works. And I think it is the patterns of this model/map that you think of as nuet. nuet can dump whole sections of content because nuet holds the pattern of connections between data points that make up your Woven World.
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mg
11-01-2009
12:25 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 11
Sounds like a state of samadhi (total concentration)
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mg
11-01-2009
12:22 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 8
How much do our beliefs affect our experience?
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mg
11-01-2009
12:19 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 1
I had an insight during a long retreat - NO MEMORY = NO ME OR MY.
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mg
11-01-2009
12:17 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 9
Retelling the story often alters the memory
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mg
11-01-2009
12:16 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 8
I believe the vividness of memory is dependent on the emotional intensity associated with the experience. Reliving the intensity "tattoos" the memory, whether in the brain on in other parts of the body.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
11:24 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 19
I propose two complementary models for human "brain/mind" processing.

1) The traditional is "perceptual->motor/conscious". Information flows from the sensory cells through many stages of processing in the brain, gaining details and context for confabulation from "memory", leading to a synthesis and an output to body for behavior and to consciousness for experience. Data from these feed back to memory storage.

2) The primary process in the brain is World-Weaving: a self-organizing complex pattern of activity occurring within the changing structure of the molecular/neural systems.Imagine this as a musical composition emergent within an orchestra that can change the nature of the orchestra. Input from the senses modulates this process. Output from this process leads to behavior and consciousness. Feedback from behavior and conscious also modulates World-Weaving.

In (1) memory modulates the flow from the senses to behavior and consciousness.

In (2) sensory input modulates World-Weaving and secondarily output to behavior and consciousness.

I present both as models, claiming neither as the ultimate truth. The second, World-Weaving model, is useful in explaining phenomena the first model can't.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
11:03 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 11
"conceptual-emotive imagery" = I coined this term many decades ago. My conscious experiences are in an ordinary "gestalt" with figure and ground. But, it is neither sensory or exclusively verbal. My best description of my experiences is as having "concrete abstractions" in my ground, with my explicit figures of consciousness as "pointers". I am never explicitly conscious of the "ground", only that "it is there". What is "verbal" or serving as "pointers" are terms or acronyms I have given as labels to major domains. In a few moments I may rapidly scan may such icons pointing "Big Pictures". I grok the potential of massive generative detail. This is often accompanied by intense, positive emotions.

When I experience more limited concepts the pointers refer to background context of the specifics. I always experience details in the context of expandable grounds. The dialectic between the most abstract and the most detailed are explicit as a strong characteristic of my thinking. This is difficult to convey. Most people characterize me as "far out" or "too abstract" and are never able to focus on my concrete details (often because they are "practical" only in a context different from the traditional).
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
10:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 7
I have yet to consolidate my various writings on this.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:55 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 21
If you are interested in helping move the content of nuet to others, please reply.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:52 PM ET (US)
General comment
I invite all to comment in DETAIL to specific sections. This is what I moat value as feedback.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:51 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 10
"grok" is a term coined by Robert Heinlein in his novel "Stranger from a Strange Land". It has been used by many as an "intuitive" experiencing of a "holism" without conceptual details.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:48 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 2
This essay contributes to an emergent model I have of "me".

Larry = the bio/psycho being emergent from interaction of DNA/environment. A material being in a material universe.

LJV = Laurence Joseph Victor, the trace of Larry's interaction with his physical environment. All records, statistical status, texts, emails, photos, impacts on others, etc. The imprint of Larry on the world - a semiotic structure.

nuet = the label Larry has assigned to the holistic pattern of activity emergent in Larry's mind/brain. In analogy: Larry's mind/brain is a orchestra of musical instruments, the compositions performed by the orchestra are not intrinsic to the orchestra. This is an internal constructed "world", and more. Some of the time the verbal utterances by Larry are "channeled" from nuet, Larry experiencing them as he utters them. Nuet may be influenced from "higher level realities", but is probably limited to the physical structures of Larry.

This model "is in process".
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:33 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 5
This person was Jamie Lantz, who I have known for decades. We have weekly online video dialogs. Jamie is probably the individual most tuned to my unique nature and appreciative of it. She also is only able to process some of my output.
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