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MEMORY AND WHAT ELSE? Add your comment on item 11
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mg
11-01-2009
12:19 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 1
I had an insight during a long retreat - NO MEMORY = NO ME OR MY.

Larry/LJV/nuet Add your comment on item 22
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:48 PM ET (US)
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This essay contributes to an emergent model I have of "me".

Larry = the bio/psycho being emergent from interaction of DNA/environment. A material being in a material universe.

LJV = Laurence Joseph Victor, the trace of Larry's interaction with his physical environment. All records, statistical status, texts, emails, photos, impacts on others, etc. The imprint of Larry on the world - a semiotic structure.

nuet = the label Larry has assigned to the holistic pattern of activity emergent in Larry's mind/brain. In analogy: Larry's mind/brain is a orchestra of musical instruments, the compositions performed by the orchestra are not intrinsic to the orchestra. This is an internal constructed "world", and more. Some of the time the verbal utterances by Larry are "channeled" from nuet, Larry experiencing them as he utters them. Nuet may be influenced from "higher level realities", but is probably limited to the physical structures of Larry.

This model "is in process".

10/26-31/2009

 

Memory is conventionally viewed as a storage/access process for recorded experiences (perceptual, imaginary, and even unconscious input-to-memory-storage). According to this definition, I have long had very poor memory which is declining with old age. But, two events in past two weeks shifted my attention to a strange, new, and possibly encouraging phenomena. Add your comment on item 33

 

The first event was a person reporting that I unloaded far too much highly detailed content on him.  That my output often dominated conversations (which I agree, a problem I've been aware of for a long time). At the same time, as this was a new contact, I was astounded about both the quantity and quality of my output. There was no evidence of a "loss of memory". Add your comment on item 44
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:31 PM ET (US)
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The person was Barry Kibel. We had just started a dialog on "spirituality". He said he valued my expressions, although they were "content", which was not the category he desired. Yet, I was well aware - after each output - the great extent of detail. Barry also reported that he was able to process only a small part of my output, which may well be the case with others.

 

The second event was when a longtime friend asked me a question and I outputted a great amount of detailed information; to which the person commented as being struck by my vast reservoir of readily available, detailed information. She further commented that this has long impressed her, the extent of my "memory". Add your comment on item 55
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:33 PM ET (US)
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This person was Jamie Lantz, who I have known for decades. We have weekly online video dialogs. Jamie is probably the individual most tuned to my unique nature and appreciative of it. She also is only able to process some of my output.

 

Both events informed me that I was still capable of rapid expression of very detailed information.  But, what information and from where? Add your comment on item 66

 

I discovered, in my early twenties, that I lacked mental imagery in all sensory modes (visual, auditory, tactile, olfactory, taste, proprioceptive, kinesthetic, somatic), both for remembrances and imagination. I cannot replay in imagery any past experiences. To my knowledge no one else has these collective limitations (although many lack imagery in specific sensory modes). This led to a lifetime of study of mental imagery and my own cognitive competencies and limitations; as well as compensations I developed for my disabilities. Details of my imagery competencies are explicated elsewhere. Add your comment on item 77
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
10:49 PM ET (US)
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I have yet to consolidate my various writings on this.

 

I have long accounted for my lack of specific memories because of  my lack of a "screen" (for imagery) on which to experience memories of sensory experiences. Add your comment on item 88
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mg
11-01-2009
12:16 AM ET (US)
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I believe the vividness of memory is dependent on the emotional intensity associated with the experience. Reliving the intensity "tattoos" the memory, whether in the brain on in other parts of the body.
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mg
11-01-2009
12:22 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 8
How much do our beliefs affect our experience?

 

What memory I do have of specific events in my past are recalls (not in imagery) of reports of those events, as if from an external reporter.  It appears my memory of past events in my life consist of tales I have been motivated to tell at some time about those events. Today, all I can report of my past is based on such past reports, never from the events themselves. Add your comment on item 99
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mg
11-01-2009
12:17 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 9
Retelling the story often alters the memory

 

On a few significant events, I often "grok an emotion" I may have had at the moment of the event, or maybe of my earliest recollection, when I "remembered the story". Add your comment on item 1010
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:51 PM ET (US)
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"grok" is a term coined by Robert Heinlein in his novel "Stranger from a Strange Land". It has been used by many as an "intuitive" experiencing of a "holism" without conceptual details.

                                                                                  

My "thinking", usually, is neither visual nor verbal (occasionally verbal, never visual). My non-perceptual experiences don't fit into any conventional categories, except possibly "concrete abstraction" or "conceptual-emotional imagery" Add your comment on item 1111
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
11:03 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 11
"conceptual-emotive imagery" = I coined this term many decades ago. My conscious experiences are in an ordinary "gestalt" with figure and ground. But, it is neither sensory or exclusively verbal. My best description of my experiences is as having "concrete abstractions" in my ground, with my explicit figures of consciousness as "pointers". I am never explicitly conscious of the "ground", only that "it is there". What is "verbal" or serving as "pointers" are terms or acronyms I have given as labels to major domains. In a few moments I may rapidly scan may such icons pointing "Big Pictures". I grok the potential of massive generative detail. This is often accompanied by intense, positive emotions.

When I experience more limited concepts the pointers refer to background context of the specifics. I always experience details in the context of expandable grounds. The dialectic between the most abstract and the most detailed are explicit as a strong characteristic of my thinking. This is difficult to convey. Most people characterize me as "far out" or "too abstract" and are never able to focus on my concrete details (often because they are "practical" only in a context different from the traditional).
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mg
11-01-2009
12:25 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 11
Sounds like a state of samadhi (total concentration)

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As I elder, my ability to express specific names and facts has slowed, both in actual retrieval and in time-delay. I have experienced a brief delay, sometimes, in remembering my Social Security Number, which I have targeted as an indicator of my slide into senility.  This is frustrating, but not over disturbing - at this time. Add your comment on item 1212

 

The two events, cited above, point to a different process. Add your comment on item 1313

 

I have long claimed that my fundamental process was to have new input interact with my emergent whole, which is altered, and then the specifics of the new input is lost. This actually is consistent with some theories of memory, but probably not to my extreme. Add your comment on item 1414

 

From Piaget's model, my assimilation to conventional categories is very weak. Almost every input leads to an accommodation of the pre-existing "structure of knowledge". However, there may be a type of assimilation to my emergent mind/world. Add your comment on item 1515

 

In every output I do include a few specific "facts", but these are probably not accessed from a record. Most of the time such specifics are not available, and I need to search for them online - when composing text. Yet, the few details that I can access seem to impress others that I have a good "memory" of such details - which I don't. Add your comment on item 1616

 

When I examine the details it my output it appears that NONE of it is specific recall of prior input. It appears to be generated information from synthesis processing of varied inputs. However, my expressions often appear to be as a report from "memory"; which is probably due to the habits of language. Add your comment on item 1717

 

This phenomena is most evident when I respond to emails or items read or viewed. Most of the time the response is only internal. Occasionally I make a brief note in my digital archive. Even more rarely I respond to others, and this is when the flood of detail often appears. I often start a reply to an email, intending it to be short; but it expands to a large dump of content.  Sometimes I send this with an apology for overload, other times I simply store it to my archive.  Other times I may attempt to compose in this "state".  What I write, in internal compositions, often triggers similar responses -- where I often withhold the flood of detail - and if this continues it leads to an apparent "random walk" in the web of my mind/world. Add your comment on item 1818

 

I speculate that my emerging "whole mind/world" can contain "detail" (that is "abstracted" from specific input). I further speculate that a primary process in my mind/brain emergence is "mind/world-weaving" (more details later), in contrast to the conventional sensory>via-memory>experience&behavior>memory. Add your comment on item 1919
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
11:24 PM ET (US)
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I propose two complementary models for human "brain/mind" processing.

1) The traditional is "perceptual->motor/conscious". Information flows from the sensory cells through many stages of processing in the brain, gaining details and context for confabulation from "memory", leading to a synthesis and an output to body for behavior and to consciousness for experience. Data from these feed back to memory storage.

2) The primary process in the brain is World-Weaving: a self-organizing complex pattern of activity occurring within the changing structure of the molecular/neural systems.Imagine this as a musical composition emergent within an orchestra that can change the nature of the orchestra. Input from the senses modulates this process. Output from this process leads to behavior and consciousness. Feedback from behavior and conscious also modulates World-Weaving.

In (1) memory modulates the flow from the senses to behavior and consciousness.

In (2) sensory input modulates World-Weaving and secondarily output to behavior and consciousness.

I present both as models, claiming neither as the ultimate truth. The second, World-Weaving model, is useful in explaining phenomena the first model can't.
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David Braden
11-01-2009
12:43 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 19
Let me share my interpretations of this process as I experience it.

Information, an experience, a data point can exist in the memory without link to other data points - as in studying for a test and being able to answer a specific question on the test - after which the 'memory' or the data may be lost (at least to consciousness - it may still be stored in the brain somehow and available to subconscious processes.)

We attempt to use the data that we experience in response to desire. We are each motivated to obtain certain things from the world and we use what information we have to attempt to acquire those things. This is the process that I think you are describing as World-Weaving - building a model/map of how the world will respond to actions we might take. Over a life time, specific sets of experience reinforce specific 'stories' about how the world works. And I think it is the patterns of this model/map that you think of as nuet. nuet can dump whole sections of content because nuet holds the pattern of connections between data points that make up your Woven World.

 

It appears that when my (nuet's) "whole mind/world" is stimulated by an inputted semiotic structure, it outputs a chain of expressions that attempts to present a new context for that specific inputted semiotic structure.  During this Larry (the physiological being hosting nuet) is rather passive - only observing his own output.  Larry/nuet needs more time to reflect on this, and how to further explore implications. Add your comment on item 2020

 

This further justifies my view on what would be best for me and Gaia: that nuet's mind/world be probed by others who would process the discourse into cyberspace. And, that the processing of nuet's archive needs seafing. nuet is NOT an initiator. Add your comment on item 2121
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
10-31-2009
09:55 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 21
If you are interested in helping move the content of nuet to others, please reply.
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David Braden
11-01-2009
12:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 21
Here is an example of how your mind/world has already been processed into cyberspace:

http://www.ned.com/group/community-general/news/355/45/

I cannot engage this as a "task of processing nuet's archive" but I do enjoy, and find highly beneficial, the exchange of patterns from our respective mind/worlds.