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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
02-16-2018
00:06 UT
I'm also re-thinking some of the Nemesis/Victrix vs Enterprise/Yo-Yo battle scenes from Space Viking in light of that chart. "She hairpinned on us" becomes a lot more impressive if you think of a small mountain making a hairpin turn.
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
02-15-2018
05:55 UT
Thanks for posting the size comparison charts - when I'm reading and it mentions the ships, I think I know what it means, but I don't really stop and figure it out.

The illustration with only part of the Piper ship really drives that point home. If they ever went over the dayside of a planet, you wouldn't need radar to track them! Well, not really. But I'd hate to live near one of Piper's spaceports, the shadows of the landed ships would kill your lawn.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-14-2018
03:47 UT
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Jon Crocker wrote:

> If that's the case, the philanthropist seems a likely source.

That's my guess, especially given she was a patron of this little contraption:

https://www.nybg.org/blogs/plant-talk/2011...y-the-floral-flyer/

which it's not difficult to imagine Beam encountering during one of his visits to New York.

'Ware the air pirates!

David
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"Ideas for science fiction stories like ideas for anything else, are where you find them, usually in the most unlikely places. The only reliable source is a mind which asks itself a question like, 'What would happen if--?' or, 'Now what would this develop into, in a few centuries?' Or, 'How would so-and-so happen?' Anything at all, can trigger such a question, in your field if not in mine." - H. Beam Piper, "Double: Bill Symposium" interview
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-13-2018
03:20 UT
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Post Script: Piper's Space Viking Starships in Traveller

Here's an interesting blog post from a while back over at The Zhodani Base:

http://zho.berka.com/2013/02/19/spherical-space-ships/

It's a discussion of spherical starships in Traveller (and sci-fi in general) but it begins with Piper's ships from ~Space Viking~, and includes John Schoenherr's wonderful cover illustration from the original ~Analog~ serialization. What's interresting is that Piper's ships are among the earliest of all of the sci-fi examples mentioned.

There's also a link to an interesting size-comparison chart here:

http://s31.photobucket.com/user/waynepeter...s_plus_TOS.jpg.html

While this shows some interesting comparisons for Traveller's Broadsword-class mercenary cruiser, a more interesting comparison chart is here:

http://www.enderra.com/2011/10/14/starsship-sizes/

From this chart we can see that 2000-foot Space Viking ships dwarf even Traveller's Tigress-class dreadnoughts.

There's also a link to an interesting piece which explains that a sphere-shaped ship makes the most effective use of internal volume and external surface area:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpheroidDropship

There's Beam, ahead of his time.

David
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"We talk glibly about ten to the hundredth power, but emotionally we still count, 'One, Two, Three, Many.'" - Otto Harkaman (H. Beam Piper), ~Space Viking~
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
02-13-2018
02:56 UT
Maybe he saw that name, or a similar one, in a newspaper article and liked the sound of it?

If that's the case, the philanthropist seems a likely source.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-12-2018
00:17 UT
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Namesake of the ~Harriet Barne~?

One of the little enduring mysteries of the Terro-human Future History is the namesake of the contragravity airship ~Harriet Barne~, converted by Conn Maxwell and his compatriots in ~Junkyard Planet~ into a makeshift interplanetary spaceship.

Unlike the airship ~Countess Dorothy~, the ~Harriet Barne~ doesn't seem to be named after some character from the works of James Branch Cabell, inspiration for Poictesme's founder Genji Gartner. I've suggested previously that perhaps the airship-cum-spaceship was named for philanthropist Harriet Barnes Pratt, a contemporary of Piper's (though there's no indication that he knew her personally). Still, this is simply a guess and one complicated by the fact that she had an "s" at the end of her maiden name that isn't there in the name of the airship.

Recently, I stumbled across this obituary of Piper's father, Herbert Piper, posted to the old PIPER-L mailing list back in 2001:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080310054125...-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=3034

It reminded me that Piper's mother's name was Harriet but it also notes that her maiden name was Maurer, which suggests it's unlikely that Piper named the airship for his mother. I suppose it's possible that "Harriet Barne" could have been _her_ mother, Piper's maternal grandmother, but at this point that's simply another guess.

And so, the mystery of the ~Harriet Barne~ continues. . . .

"Is there no Great Computer?"

David
--
"A lot of technicians are girls, and when work gets slack, they're always the first ones to get shoved out of jobs." - Sylvie Jacquemont (H. Beam Piper), ~Junkyard Planet~
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2018
03:59 UT
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John Carr wrote:

> This years Muster is going to be held on Saturday,
> May 19, 2018. We will be meeting at the Waffle Shop
> on North Atherton in State College at 10:00 a.m.
>
> You're all invited! We hope to see lots of new faces
> this year.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the Irregulars Musters I've attended. I wholeheartedly recommend the experience. From the Piper fan camaraderie around the breakfast table at the Waffle Shop:

http://www.zarthani.net/Images/irregulars_muster_2008.jpg

to the wandering in the woods--and alleys--of Hostigos in the footsteps of Calvin Morrison--and Beam Piper:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080720085141...rd_Kalvan_page.html

it's an all-around fantastic time.

Dennis Frank wrote:

> I'm looking forward to seeing as many of you as
> can come, too. I can tell you about my experiment
> of walking from the Transposition Point to Vurth's
> Farm last summer. I figured that recreating Calvin
> Morrison's hike might help to firm up the location.
> I got sore feet and a bit more confidence in my
> previous suppositions.

Dennis has been scouting Hostigos and surrounds for years; he's an excellent guide and a genuinely nice guy!

If you haven't yet made it for the annual Irregulars Muster I hope you'll make it this year. (And if you're returning to Hostigos again this year then you already know the wonderful time you're in for!)

Down Styphon!

David
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"You are my chieftain. That's another mark of the barbarian." - Otto Harkaman (H. Beam Piper), ~Space Viking~
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Edited 02-03-2018 04:00
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2018
01:37 UT
But if you'd already sent him the money, why'd he ask me, too?

Obviously I got that one before reading the warning, ah well.

Thanks for the tip about the JTAS article, I'll have to dig that one out to have a read.

And best of luck at this year's Muster, I hope it goes well!
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Tanith in OzPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2018
02:52 UT
Lol. I didn't notice the second R. Good catch there. Somehow I really didn't think John was stranded in the Philippines, that made no sense.

Thanks for the condolences. Losing Dad has rocked my universe somewhat.

Regards
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2018
02:22 UT
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Terry "Tanith in Oz" Glouftsis wrote:

> My father passed away in November last year and I've
> had to deal with a number of things.

Sorry to hear that, Terry. Please accept my condolences.

> But I just wanted to put a warning out to the group.
> otherrwhen@aol.com, which is John Carr's Pequod Press
> email seems to have been hacked.

Thanks. I got those messages too. You'll note there's an extra "r" in there that's not in John's actual address. (In the message I received, John's address was correct in the "Sent" field but that bad address was in the "Reply-To" field.) I assume this was a "phishing" effort to get people to reply to that bogus message (like I did). It was only after I'd replied that I got the message asking me to send him some money in the Philippines. . . .

> If you're reading this John, or if someone can get a
> message to him this is something he will need to get
> fixed (if possible).

I've sent a message to John now at his correct e-mail address. Not much for him to do though. The hacked messages aren't actually coming from his account, I think.

Cheers,

David
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Dennis FrankPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2018
02:02 UT
Hi Everyone,

This years Muster is going to be held on Saturday, May 19, 2018. We will be meeting at the Waffle Shop on North Atherton in State College at 10:00 a.m.

You're all invited! We hope to see lots of new faces this year.

I'll be there, along with Dennis Frank (our gracious guide), my brother Steve and Wolfgang, too. My latest novel, a new Space Viking novel, "Space Viking's Return," is done and at Baen Books (They hold the original contract). We'll be talking about that and lot of things Piper.

For those of you who haven't heard, we lost Jerry Pournelle in September of last year. He was friend and mentor and the last living adult who knew Beam well; the end of an era....

John Carr

From Dennis Frank--

I'm looking forward to seeing as many of you as can come, too. I can tell you about my experiment of walking from the Transposition Point to Vurth's Farm last summer. I figured that recreating Calvin Morrison's hike might help to firm up the location. I got sore feet and a bit more confidence in my previous suppositions. Until May! Dennis
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Tanith in OzPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2018
02:02 UT
Hi all.

It's been awhile. I'm sorry for that. My father passed away in November last year and I've had to deal with a number of things.

Getting better now.

But I just wanted to put a warning out to the group. otherrwhen@aol.com, which is John Carr's Pequod Press email seems to have been hacked. I got an email today asking me to loan John $1900 because he is stuck in the Philippines. I sincerely doubt this to be the case.

If you're reading this John, or if someone can get a message to him this is something he will need to get fixed (if possible).

Enjoy all, I'll be in touch soon.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
01-29-2018
03:55 UT
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Traveller's Sword Worlds - Inspired by Piper

One of the most obvious ways in which the Traveller role-playing game's official "Third Imperium" campaign setting was influence by Piper's ~Space Viking~ is its "Sword Worlds Subsector," a frontier region which includes worlds like Gram and Excalibur and Joyeuse and Durendal. But a more compelling indication of the influence of ~Space Viking~ comes from a less well-known article which appeared in issue 20 of the ~Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society~ about a non-player character named Lucas Trask, er . . ., I mean, Gamaagin Kaashukiin.

Kaashukiin is the holder of a barony on a frontier world, during the era of the Fifth Frontier War, an interstellar conflict between the "Third Imperium" and the "Sword Worlds Confederation." Just before Kaashukiin is to be married, her betrothed is killed in an attack by a raiding starship called ~Enterprise~, er . . . I mean ~Excalibur~. Emotionally devastated by the death of her fiance', Kaashukiin vows revenge and sells her barony to purchase a mercenary starship which she names ~Retribution~ (one of the ship names Trask actually rejects before choosing ~Nemesis~). She hires a crew and takes her ship raiding on a hunt for ~Excalibur~.

Both ~Excalibur~ and ~Retribution~ are ~Broadsword~ class mercenary cruisers. Here's an illustration:

http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/1433507...g-by-william-hkeith

Sure, they've made the bereaved former noble a woman and switched sides between Sword Worlds and Old Federation, er . . . I mean, Third Imperium, but it's impossible to read the article and not be reminded of the plot of Piper's ~Space Viking~.

(The Kaashukiin piece is credited to "Keith Douglas," the pseudonym of prolific Traveller contributors J. Andrew Keith and William H. Keith, Jr. William is the illustrator of the image linked above which appeared with the original article about the ~Broadsword~ class starships written by Traveller creator Marc W. Miller.)

"Royal Navy; smash the traitors first!"

David
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"I don't know what plans you have for a next story project, but the world-picture you've been building up in the Sword Worlds stories, or Space Viking stories, or whatever you designate the series, offers some lovely possibilities." -- John W. Campbell (to H. Beam Piper)
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
01-10-2018
03:16 UT
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Thanks for your support

Once again, let me thank those of you who have made contributions to support the Piper discussion forum and mailing list for another year. Your generosity is very much appreciated.

David
--
"I always was a present-peeker [on] New Year's. . . ." - Elaine Karvall (H. Beam Piper), ~Space Viking~
~
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
01-05-2018
15:19 UT
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Expanded version of "The Return" on eBay

There is a copy of ~The Science-Fictional Sherlock Holmes~ on auction at eBay:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/192414428125

This is the anthology which includes the expanded version of "The Return" by Piper and McGuire. (The original version was published in the January 1954 edition of ~Astounding~.)

The price at the moment is fantastic for this item, though I imagine it will sell for a bit more.

Good luck!

David (not the seller)
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"Why Walt Disney bought the movie rights to ['Rebel Raider'], I've never figured out. Will Colonel Mosby be played by Mickey Mouse, and General Phil Sheridan by Donald Duck? It's baffling. However, I was glad to get the check." -- H. Beam Piper, The Pennsy interview, 1953
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
12-24-2017
19:17 UT
The payment in Imhotep furs is en route, it should convert to Stellars automatically.

I was trying to think of something 'traditional' that Sword Worlders would wish each other for the holidays, but everything I came up with sounded like it was rejected from the script of Dr. Strangelove, so I gave up.

Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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