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Tim TowPerson was signed in when posted
04-14-2017
01:49 UT
There's also the Whisper Phone from Day of the Moron, an invention that would find great utility in call centers and open office spaces nowadays!
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
04-13-2017
03:47 UT
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Piper's Sci-Fi Technology

This seems to be an interesting exercise:

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorTotalAlphaList.asp?AuNum=3

I especially enjoy the entry on "contragravity armor." It's shame the Federation era folks never seemed to see such things as having military applications.

Znidd Suddabit!

David
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"A lot of technicians are girls, and when work gets slack, they're always the first ones to get shoved out of jobs." - Sylvie Jacquemont (H. Beam Piper), ~Junkyard Planet~
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-22-2017
01:30 UT
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"It had been two hours to Litchfield when the Countess Dorothy rose from the airship dock at Storisende." - H. Beam Piper, Junkyard Planet
 
". . . the face of Dorothy altered . . . and she became the Countess Dorothy whom Jurgen remembered as Heitman Michael's wife." - James Branch Cabell, Jurgen: A Comedy of Justice


I've often wondered who was the namesake of the airship which brings Conn Maxwell the last leg of his journey home from Terra. The answer, it seems, rests again with old Genji Gartner and his fascination with Cabell's Jurgen. Obviously, "Gartner's" appreciation of Cabell must reflect that of Beam himself. It would take more than a casual familiarity with Cabell's work to pull that sort of detail for the name of an airship.

A close reading of Junkyard Planet makes clear that Beam was using bits and pieces of Cabell's work throughout the novel. What's fascinating is not so much what this tells us about Gartner's--and Beam's--appreciation for Cabell but rather what it also suggests about Gartner's place in Poicstesme's history. Sure, it makes sense that the many planets and moons of the Gartner Trisystem got their names from Cabell (via Gartner) but here are Gartner's descendants, two centuries later, still naming ships for characters from Cabell's work. (True, the Countess Dorothy might be decades old but surely it must have been laid down decades after Genji Gartner's body began "mouldering" in his tomb!)

Remember Ashmodai! Remember Belphegor!

David
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"A girl can punch any kind of a button a man can, and a lot of them know what buttons to punch, and why." - Conn Maxwell (H. Beam Piper), Junkyard Planet
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-14-2017
02:15 UT
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Dale Ridder wrote:

> In the book on the science fiction background to the Traveller
> science-fiction role-playing game, two of Piper's books are
> mentioned at 2 and 3: The Cosmic Computer and Space Viking.
> The Space Viking is pretty obvious based on the presence of
> Sword Worlders in the game.

My favorite Piper connection in Traveller is the "Casual Encounter" article by J. Andrew Keith (writing under the pen name Keith Douglass) which appeared in ~Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society~ No. 20. It features Gamaagin Kaashukiin, the former Baroness of Klavos (on the planet Adabicci in Lunion subsector), who sells her barony to raise the funds to purchase a ~Broadsword~ class "mercenary cruiser"--much smaller than Trask's ~Nemesis~ but very much the same concept--to go hunting the Sword Worlders who killed her husband.

As you mention, Traveller's Sword Worlds were clearly inspired by ~Space Viking~ but I've had more difficulty finding Traveller linkages to ~Junkyard Planet~/~The Cosmic Computer~.

Happy Travelling,

David
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"Ideas for science fiction stories like ideas for anything else, are where you find them, usually in the most unlikely places. The only reliable source is a mind which asks itself a question like, 'What would happen if--?' or, 'Now what would this develop into, in a few centuries?' Or, 'How would so-and-so happen?' Anything at all, can trigger such a question, in your field if not in mine." - H. Beam Piper, "Double: Bill Symposium" interview
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Dale RidderPerson was signed in when posted
03-13-2017
16:59 UT
Greetings All,

Jon Crocker mentioned a computer game in the 1990s that may have used Piper. In the book on the science fiction background to the Traveller science-fiction role-playing game, two of Piper's books are mentioned at 2 and 3: The Cosmic Computer and Space Viking. The Space Viking is pretty obvious based on the presence of Sword Worlders in the game. I suspect that Piper's direct conversion of nuclear energy to electricity also plays a big role in having fusion-powered vehicles about the size of existing ones. Oddly enough, collapsium is not used in the game.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-13-2017
14:58 UT
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Jon Crocker wrote:

> It had Fort Huachuca on it of course, and at that scale it looks
> close to the Mexican border.

I think, ". . . we're from Arizona, near the old Mexican border . . ." would have been an even better way to locate Fort Ridgeway (but also leaves me doubting that Piper and McGuire really had an actual place in mind).

'Ware the Scowrers!

David
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"Altamont sat in silence, smoking his pipe and trying to form some conception of the wealth under that concrete floor. It was no use. Jim Loudons probably understood a little more nearly what those books would mean to the world of today, and what they could do toward shaping the world of the future." -- H. Beam Piper, "The Return"
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
03-13-2017
03:39 UT
Great stuff - I always thought it was just a fictional place, never thought it would map to a real location.

I have a copy of a 1942 Union Pacific "Military Map of the United States" that shows dozens of military posts, then has the nearest station and postal information for each. It had Fort Huachuca on it of course, and at that scale it looks close to the Mexican border. Of course, the map states, "censorship prevents listing of many newer facilities. Keep 'em rolling for Victory!"

Around 1989 or so, there was a computer game called Wasteland, a post-WW3 adventure where the heros hailed from an old US Army base, and once I read that story I wondered if the game writers had read Piper.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-09-2017
03:03 UT
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". . . we're from Arizona. A place called Fort Ridgeway."

- Jim Loudons (H. Beam Piper & John J. McGuire), "The Return," 1954


Throughout the decade I lived in Arizona I always wondered where Fort Ridgeway might have been but Piper and McGuire give us few clues. They tell us that Fort Ridgeway was originally "a military research and development center" but give no details about where "in what had once been Arizona" it might be.

Fort Ridgeway seems to be a fictional name. There has never been a military base with that name in Arizona. It seems likely that Piper and McGuire named the fort after General Matthew Ridgeway, who commanded UN forces in Korea after MacArthur was relieved of command. Ridgeway was U.S. Army Chief of Staff--after a post-Korea assignment as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (taking over from Eisenhower)--when "The Return" was published in January 1954. (Intriguingly, Ridgeway retired to suburban Pittsburgh--where the events depicted in "The Return" take place--in 1955, though whether or not Piper or McGuire knew that was in the works when they were writing their yarn is anyone's guess.)

The largest military base in Arizona at the time Piper and McGuire were writing "The Return" was Davis-Monthan Air Force Base near Tucson. Davis-Monthan had primarily been a bomber base rather than a research and development center. Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix, was (and remains) primarily a fighter training facility. Fort Huachuca in southern Arizona was an Army construction engineering facility during the Korean War and did not begin its transition to an electronic warfare research and development facility until 1954, after "The Return" was published. The former Williams Air Force Base, also near Phoenix, was another fighter training facility but did have a brief role as a gunnery research and development site early in the post-WWII period.

There are don't seem to be any immediately likely candidates for Fort Ridgeway among these bases. There were other military facilities in Arizona at the time Piper and McGuire must have been writing "The Return" but there's nothing about any of them to suggest it might be the site of Fort Ridgeway either.

One last clue is the war which has devastated the former United States in "The Return." Events depicted in the yarn take place two hundred years after this war, which occurred in 1996--some 40+ years into the future from the time Piper and McGuire were writing. Given the scale of the apparent destruction it seems less likely that Fort Ridgeway would have been on the site of Tucson's Davis-Monthan or of Luke or Williams in metropolitan Phoenix. This would seem to leave Fort Huachuca--renamed for General Ridgeway and far from a major population center--as the most likely site of Fort Ridgeway.

It's elementary. ;)

David
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"You either went on to the inevitable catastrophe, or you realized, in time, that nuclear armament and nationalism cannot exist together on the same planet, and it is easier to banish a habit of thought than a piece of knowledge." - H. Beam Piper, ~Uller Uprising~
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-05-2017
18:56 UT
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Dale Ridder wrote:

> What city and state is this Waffle House located in? I am guessing
> that the state is Pennsylvania, but the city is not possible to guess.

State College, Pennsylvania. I've been twice--though it's been a few years now--and it's always been a great time. You can see a bit about a few previous Irregulars' Musters here:

http://hradzka.dreamwidth.org/290128.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20090109135721...lvan/muster2008.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20080819174120...an/Hostigos2004.htm

Down Styphon!

David
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"I have heard it argued that fandom tends to make a sort of cult of science fiction, restricted to a narrow circles of the initiated. This I seriously question." - H. Beam Piper, "Double: Bill Symposium" interview
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Dale RidderPerson was signed in when posted
03-05-2017
18:49 UT
Greetings Mr. Carr,

My apologies for my ignorance, as I am new to the forum. What city and state is this Waffle House located in? I am guessing that the state is Pennsylvania, but the city is not possible to guess.

Sincerely Yours,
Dale R. Ridder

Hi Folks,
 
This year's Irregulars Muster will take place on Saturday, May 20, 2017. We will be meeting at the Waffle House located on 1229 North Atherton Street at 10:00 a.m.
 
Dennis Frank will take us on a tour of "Hostigos" and places important to H. Beam Piper canon -- including the Kalvan transposition site. Time and erosion have taken their toll on the transposition site. In a few years, the turn-around will be nothing more than a small gap along the roadside. I suggest, if you'd like to see it, this is the time to visit.
 
All Piper fans are welcome to join us for a day of good company, great food, congenial chat about our favorite author and a tour of Piper Country.
 
John F. Carr
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John F. CarrPerson was signed in when posted
03-05-2017
00:36 UT
Hi Folks,
 
This year's Irregulars Muster will take place on Saturday, May 20, 2017. We will be meeting at the Waffle House located on 1229 North Atherton Street at 10:00 a.m.
 
Dennis Frank will take us on a tour of "Hostigos" and places important to H. Beam Piper canon -- including the Kalvan transposition site. Time and erosion have taken their toll on the transposition site. In a few years, the turn-around will be nothing more than a small gap along the roadside. I suggest, if you'd like to see it, this is the time to visit.
 
All Piper fans are welcome to join us for a day of good company, great food, congenial chat about our favorite author and a tour of Piper Country.
 
John F. Carr
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2017
04:22 UT
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Welcome, Dale.

> Has anyone ever drawn or worked up pictures of the various
> animals mentioned in the Piper books? One I have been thinking
> of is the Colada Marsh Pigs, that Otto Harkonen hunted when a kid.
> I was thinking of them looking like a pygmy hippopotamus with a
> head resembling that of a wart hog, but broader. As for the
> Zarathustra Damnthing, more of a bad-tempered three-horned
> eland that wants meat.

Whelan's damnthing is the best, I think:

http://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/runforcover.jpg

His Jarvis's sea-monster was also pretty good:

http://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fourdayplanet.jpg

though I think Eddie Jones did a good job too:

http://www.sf-hefte.de/BILDER_T/TERRA_ASTRA_505.JPG

Leo Morey did a nice job with the Svant's "cattle":

http://www.zarthani.net/Images/naudsonce-morey_p28.png

I like your description of Harkaman's marsh pigs.

Monster Ho!

David
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"I was born in Antarctica, on Terra. The water's a little too cold to do much swimming there. And I've spent most of my time since then in central Argentine, in the pampas country." - Glenn Murell (H. Beam Piper), ~Four-Day Planet~
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Dale RidderPerson was signed in when posted
03-04-2017
03:48 UT
Has anyone ever drawn or worked up pictures of the various animals mentioned in the Piper books? One I have been thinking of is the Colada Marsh Pigs, that Otto Harkonen hunted when a kid. I was thinking of them looking like a pygmy hippopotamus with a head resembling that of a wart hog, but broader. As for the Zarathustra Damnthing, more of a bad-tempered three-horned eland that wants meat.
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Dale RidderPerson was signed in when posted
03-03-2017
13:42 UT
A "Thank You" to David for inviting me to join the forum. I have been reading Piper since the early 1960s when I first read "Little Fuzzy", then the "Styphon" series in Analog, and "Space Viking" and "The Cosmic Computer" when they came out. Piper is one of my favorite authors and some of his military ideas are now common place, such at using TV drones for reconnaissance. I have been working on adapting some of Piper's ideas to the Traveller science-fiction role-playing game, so you might start seeing some of that.
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
02-27-2017
16:14 UT
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Space Viking sequel reviews:

Stumbled across some reviews Joseph Major has done of ~The Last Space Viking~, ~Prince of Tanith~ and ~Princess Valerie's War~ in his fanzine ~Alexiad~ here:

https://efanzines.com/Alexiad/Alexiad063L.pdf

Reviews begin on page 3. Anyone else read the Mancour sequels?

David
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"Do you know which books to study, and which ones not to bother with? Or which ones to read first, so that what you read in the others will be comprehensible to you? That's what they'll give you [at university]. The tools, which you don't have now, for educating yourself." - Bish Ware (H. Beam Piper), ~Four-Day Planet~
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
02-23-2017
01:29 UT
These guys are digging in shale, not flint. Their diggers are on caterpillar treads, not contragravity. But they dig up fossilized sea creatures to be used as gemstones.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ammo...nada-gems-1.3993105

They don't glow like sunstones, but they are very colourful!
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