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            HOLISTIC PERFECTION OF INDIVIDUALS IS A FALSE IDEAL. Add your comment on this item32


            Our limitations and disabilities do not imply a loss. We are a whole, a weaving of our talents and our disabilities. Like many sculptures, we gain of uniqueness from the balance between what we are and what we are not. Add your comment on this item33

            What does the above imply for those who seek perfection?  What do they mean by "perfection"?  Perfection, implying no room for improvement, would probably be what they would mean.  Many self improvement or self transformation philosophies and practices seem to imply a goal state that is near to perfection - at least there are no higher states available beyond the goal state. Many persons embark on such a quest, often trying a variety of practices, some achieving a state of apparent satisfaction (as observed by others). Add your comment on this item34


            In cultures where suffering is endemic, many practices exist to help persons either live with their suffering or teach themselves not to experience suffering, even though their external life situation doesn't change.  Unfortunately, these cultures believe that suffering is necessary, even an important training exercise for an after-life, where there is no suffering.  The virtual elimination of all suffering in biological living is not an option in these cultures. Add your comment on this item35


            Speculations on Utopian Living usually calls for citizens to have rather ideal personal traits. They have no severe limitations. They are usually consistent and stable, even predictable (which may work against creativity). They experience emotions but don't permit emotions to dominate their behavior or mind; they care and empathize, they want to help (when needed) and are open to being helped (when needed). They have developed a balance between "self-control" and "flow", they are open minded, rational when applicable, and relate well with others. They oppose unnecessary violence and try not to offend others, when possible. They have developed mindfulness, attend competently to their holistic health, and participate constructively and responsibly in those social systems in which they are members. They can be creative, enjoy play , love children and others, and respect Nature. They are "good people". Add your comment on this item36


            Do "good people" exist?  I speculate that many do, with their competency profiles for the above trains between novice and still learning; few are masters for any competency.  I consider myself one of this emergent population -- although I expect that some "good people" have existed throughout human history.  The sad fact is that most people are lacking in some of these traits; they may be "good people" only part of the time. Some would claim to approve of this ideal, but admit that they are far from achieving it.  Unfortunately, a sizable number of humans may disagree with these traits. Add your comment on this item37


            As Philip Zimbardo demonstrates in his recent book: "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil", our predispositions (such as the list of traits for "good people") are only one factor in "who we are" at any moment.  Our social situations may severely warp manifest behavior far from the idealized predisposition. Zimbardo emphasizes that our social systems reinforce the social situations, often trapping persons in behaviors far from what their predispositions would suggest. Add your comment on this item38


            My experience (and I expect it is your experience also) is that "good people" often have great difficulty getting along - being "good people" with respect to each other. This is mostly the case when the (Zimbardo) situation is one of disagreement or conflict, when they often cease being "good people" for awhile. Many worthy causes attract "good people", who because of their unrecognized individual differences don't really comprehend each other which leads to a mix of two consequences: Add your comment on this item39


                              1) In trying to avoid conflict, the "good people" maintain their good behavior but must avoid most relevant issues to avoid conflict. Little gets done. Add your comment on this item40


                              2) Factions develop, each committed to their ideology, and the situation decays into conflict. Little gets done. Add your comment on this item41


            The situation gets more and more impossible as the numbers of persons grows, along with an increase of different competency profiles and different ideologies. Differences within a common ideology can often be resolved. Differences between ideologies cannot be resolved without third party intervention, which is often not successful. Add your comment on this item42


            Thus, throughout human history the "good people" have been unable to self-organize to take appropriate action against repressors (who discover "good people" can often be manipulated and exploited). Even when actions of resistance or revolution are successful (usually incomplete), the "good people" are unable to come to any significant agreement for collective action in creating a viable and sustainable society, and those who are not "good people" soon are able to organize (because they are willing to exploit and deceive, use violence and control to get their way - ignoring collateral damage. Add your comment on this item43


            Sometimes, to win, the "good people" must adopt techniques of their opponents - which is corrupting and if they win they will usually slide into a new, but still oppressive regime - turning on many of their supporters in the revolution. Add your comment on this item44

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