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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
03-29-2007
12:52 AM ET (US)
General comment
the first draft proposal:
http://www.quicktopic.com/39/D/WNKJ4TLGbjsf.html

Roger's comments and my responses on the first draft:
http://quicktopic.com/39/D/mXixVPQpQiqB.html
Edited 03-29-2007 12:55 AM
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
03-28-2007
11:09 PM ET (US)
General comment
This discussion space is for comments on the document "NEH GRANT - COLAB STUDIOS".
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
02:48 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 5
I had already added these three paragraphs to the beginning of the Abstract:

"Colab Studio" refers to both a physical setting with intelligent tools and a mental concept of what potential creative processes and products can emerge when the setting matches the cognitive needs of those using colab studios. I, and many others, need colab studios to improve the quality of online discourse.

Colab studios re-engender those deep human needs for close, face-to-face work/dialog at the waterhole, gathering and hunting, hut constructing, feasting, and preparing for & performing celebrations. What colab studios add is the ability to record this creative activity and integrate edited parts of the recording into the production. Modern research is discovering a complex system of subconscious signaling and even brain-brain resonance in face-to-face interaction.

Colab studios will complement, not compete, with the rapidly developing systems of asynchronous digital interaction - necessary for global human coherence. Indeed, colab studios may significantly improve the augmentation power of virtual systems - where both individual workstations and colab studios can be active nodes. Colab studios will make working with intelligent tools more comfortable and enjoyable, enabling longer sustained creative activity.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
11:39 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 5
Are you sure you don't want to all caps COLAB (as it is a hybrid word that refers to much more)? I would recommend some kind of setting apart, parentheses italics something.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
11:36 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 6
Larry, really like the new beginning-clearly states the problems-now end with how Colab is designed to meet the needs. Can be brief. Edit: (one person workstations)
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
02:40 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 7
I don't know if this is any better"

In spite of the exciting ability to present art, music, dance -- the products of cultures studied by the humanities -- the contemporary digital world (by constraining discourse to traditional forms) has yet to enhance the dialog and thinking of the humanities; specifically at the frontiers of human thought, and on topics now critically relevant to the future of humanity. The exchange of words has increased, but there is too much crosstalk, misplaced relevancy, and lack of temporal integration. Except for great ease in linking to references, computer mediated discourse is not much different than when printed essays were exchanged.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
11:45 AM ET (US)
Regarding item 7
I like the changes a lot, so far. Edit: Sentences are redundant. Clarify first to build to second.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
02:55 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 8
I have focused on "colab" more in the new initial paragraphs. The revision of item 8:

A colab studio is not just another arrangement of workstations; it is a confluence of a number of synergizing new paradigms. Collaboration, from the old paradigm, is a process that enables persons with different skills to integrate and focus on a common objective, using their pre-existing skills and knowledge. That the participants might individually learn significantly during collaboration (other than the learning to work together) or that they might synergize and collectively apply their new skills to emergent creativity is not a priority of the old paradigm. If and when it happens, in the traditional paradigm, it is usually by serendipity, and then, often ignored.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:20 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 8
I still suggest unpacking the term colab as important to do initially.
Even if only briefly. Your unique term as it is used here.
I lost that you were talking about the Old paradigm by the last sentence...restate that this is what COLAB will improve upon.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
03:01 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 9
NEW VERSION:

The processes to be performed in colab studios are planned to transcend these barriers, and the colab process is more than simple collaboration. Colab also involves new types and levels of learning, as individuals and as teams, often exploring at the frontiers, making the "lab" of colab reflect this learning/research feature. This action research is as much in the concepts and attitudes users bring to the colab studio as in the arrangement and functioning of the intelligent tools in the colab studio.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:24 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 9
Edit:..."are planned" to transcend. I see that here you are using quotations...be consistent. Period after ...feature. "This action research is as much"....
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:26 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 10
I like the way you are deliniating your ideas more concisely...nice. Good active/pro vocab.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:28 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 11
Great...can you include some of their verbage "ultimate project results...enhacing humanities...dissemination"...etc?
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
03:11 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 12
now paragraph #2 in Appendix. Added reference:

Colab studios re-engender those deep human needs for close, face-to-face work/dialog at the waterhole, gathering and hunting, hut constructing, feasting, and preparing for & performing celebrations. What colab studios add is the ability to record this creative activity and integrate edited parts of the recording into the production. Modern research is discovering a complex system of subconscious signaling and even brain-brain resonance in face-to-face interaction. [See: Social Intelligence by Daniel Goleman.] This has yet to be simulated with the best of our online yet synchronous systems of video conferencing.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:30 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 12
Can you refer to appendix or something to cite this research? Seems that they want that("Relate to published and ongoing work in field".
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
03:13 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 13
Moved to paragraph #3, with one added sentence.

Colab studios will complement, not compete, with the rapidly developing systems of asynchronous digital interaction - necessary for global human coherence. Indeed, colab studios may significantly improve the augmentation power of virtual systems - where both individual workstations and colab studios can be active nodes. Colab studios will make working with intelligent tools more comfortable and enjoyable, enabling longer sustained creative activity.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:33 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 18
Excellent articulation of the ultimate results...enticing and exciting.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:36 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 21
Edit: patient, letting...
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:07 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 22
Sentence added at end of paragraph:

This is but one example of the potentials of augmented composing in hypertext and hypermedia. See attachment ____ for brief background on the development of hypertext composing.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 22
Can you briefly relate this to the potentials (untapped, yet) of hpertexting or other current programs/practices?
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:09 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 27
Modified paragraph:

This is but one example of the multifaceted/multiple uses of colab studios. The pilot colab studio may not include all of these features. See Appendices for other sample activities and self-supporting (or commercial) products for colab studios.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:54 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 27
Edit: "..of the mutifacited/multiple...uses " . See...for further sample activities and self-supporting (or comercial) products.."
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:11 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 28
New edited title:

Explanation of the start-up activities and the ultimate project results.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:15 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 29
Sentence added mid paragraph:

However, even with this early form, the start-up project will create many quality webdocs for cyberspace.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
03:59 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 29
Brief restatement of desired results of pilot (to capitalize of these surprises to create...).
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:22 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 32
edits done, paragraph added:

Digital technology lags in providing tools to augment composing in hypertext. This lag is highlighted by the potentials cited in 1991 by Jay David Bolter in Writing Spaces: The Computer, Hypertext, and the History of Writing (also available in hypertext at http://elab.eserver.org/elab.html ).
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:01 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 32
Edit: However...what is not yet...
But, I'm sure not just to me-
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:04 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 33
Briefly restate grander purpose here "improving collaboration of high level humanities dialogue" as well as the gen. pub. etc.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:24 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 34
edited title

Description of the scope of the project activities, the relationship of the project to other published and ongoing work in the field, and major issues to be addressed.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
05:14 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 36
I have inserted the following paragraph after item 36. I am concerned that I don't distinguish sufficiently what CMI has to offer and what I hope for colab studios. CMI probably as most of the equipment for a colab studio, but setup from a different paradigm. My experience with CMI is too old, and I really don't know where they are now - and what other such centers are doing. It has been years since I explored MIT's Media Lab. What I don't see is direct evidence of their work on mainstream cyberspace; but maybe I am not looking at the right places.

INSERTED PARAGRAPH:

Roger Caldwell, a member of my Advisory Board, was involved with the University of Arizona's Center for the Management of Information: http://www.cmi.arizona.edu/index.spy . CMI allows smaller groups of people to brainstorm, jointly edit, interact with Internet or data banks, rank order, conclusions, or vote, all in their facility (which is sometimes called a co-laboratory). I will pursue building on what CMI, and other such centers, have accomplished. In spite of the excellent work done by such centers, what I propose for colab studios takes a different perspective and seeks to accomplish more than facilitate collaboration: less formal, even playful, recording and integrating dialog during work, focus on production of webdocs for cyberspace.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
05:16 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 37
I am not happy with the last part of this paragraph. HELP.
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
04-01-2007
04:26 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 38
edit done
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:32 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 38
Edit last sentence-...A start, however simple, must be made.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:36 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 39
Edit: Third sentence...This is planned to be...
Last sentence-The (self-sustaining) plan of charging teams for colab use will be part of the exploration/experiment.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:41 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
Can you be more specific about sources avail to you? Sustainable Tucson, Pima CC or UA profs, classes...?
These paragraphs seem dangerously vague. Flesh out as possible
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:47 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 43
Again, extrapolate from your personal to the broader experience, (I trust I'm not the only one lacking the)...
Good end...can you say and some of them are working on this project?
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:48 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 46
Can it be to poss. also create it?
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 49
Edit: last sentence- Recently discovering the NEH....encouraged by full attention towards the fulfillment of my work in developing colab studios.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:52 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 57
Great fleshing out in this section. Make sure you've gotten as detailed as you can. You don't refer to actual space yet mentioned to me about renting a space. As you refer to facilities it seem relevant to include something @ it here.
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Jamie
03-31-2007
04:53 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 61
Description of resp/ and qualifications?
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Jamie
03-31-2007
05:08 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 67
Unclear what you mean 'during the grant process'.Now? Can you flesh out possibilities?
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Jamie
03-31-2007
05:10 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 70
Larry, I have to go now but wanted you to get what I'd done so far.
Will pick up ASAP...Have workshop all day tomorrow though...let me know if there's anything you specifically want me to do.
Looks really great. Much much improved. Good job! xoJ
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Larry VictorPerson was signed in when posted
03-28-2007
11:58 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 157
url

http://home.comcast.net/~nucoms/