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6618
real PMG
09-18-2017
10:41 PM ET (US)
And your point is ...?
6617
LABMC Clerk
09-18-2017
01:45 PM ET (US)
Threat ( Broadly Defined)
Threats also include words or actions intended to intimidate another person or to interfere with the performance of his or her duties.

Taken from a posting to all Pacific Area Employees.
6616
real PMG
09-12-2017
05:04 PM ET (US)
1/If it's determined that the calling clerk made up the report, it's irrelevant what the other clerk's past history was. Therefore, you can't use that to justify the wrong doing.
2/ There has to be a lead clerk or someone in charge of a facility. Beside, this is not a life and death matter.

The next step is waiting for the result of the investigative interview, then a Letter propose of disciplinary action from mgmt. It also depends on how serious your facility treat the Zero tolerance policy.
6615
Kerwin Stevenson
09-12-2017
09:54 AM ET (US)
EAP, stress.
6614
rabma
09-12-2017
09:45 AM ET (US)
6613/If This clerk has a history of making threats and management put the clerk on emergency placement twice before why can't they take into consideration in disciplinary action against the clerk who called the police?

What if management wasn't around to report the incident? what was the next step going to be?
6613
real PMG
09-12-2017
12:17 AM ET (US)
1/ Just because the other clerk made threat in the past, it does not mean s/he made it in the day LEO was called. It also meant you can not use past incidents to made up a false allegation against that person.

2/ The LEO was called and made the determination that no threat was made, a false police report was filed by the caller. It's up to the DA to file criminal charge. If there're is a police report and local manager decides that there's enough evident that the caller was instigating/escalating the issue, s/he can be disciplined along with failure to follow protocol of not reported to immediate supervisor first.

3/What ever disciplinary action, if any, against the reporting clerk. He will be afforded the opportunity to consult with his union to mount a defense. If he's not a union member, he will be represented by a half ass steward, doing a half ass job and hung out to dry after obligatory step 1.

4/Local manager can not rely on the police report in its entirely to discipline the calling clerk, they will have to initiate an investigation of their own.
6612
rabma
09-11-2017
03:58 AM ET (US)
/6607/6008/ The officer concluded that felt that it was a false report and that the clerk who called the police was telling lies. Its basically the police word against the clerk. But the clerk that the police was called on has a history of making threats and was put on emergency placement by supervisor and MDO for making threats to other people in the post office with witness hearing it in the past.

The clerk that called the police never had a history of making any threats or lying. To make things worst the clerk that called the police only found out that he was charge through the new paper in the police log. This incident happened 3 months ago they waited three months to come up with a false alarm charge and false report charge. The night of the incident the two clerks involved wasn't arrested they was told by the police to say away from each other and go back to work.

The clerk that called the cops and said that clerk thought that the other clerk had a weapon by pointing gun fingers at the clerk. The police and inspectors said that they couldn't see on video that clerk did made any hand movements. But this clerk has a history of making verbal threats before to other people in their face and was put on emergency placement for fighting and making threats before in the past. What could happen to the clerk who called the police and what are the options does the clerk has to protect their job with union involvement.
Edited 09-11-2017 04:16 AM
6611
real PMG
09-10-2017
10:41 PM ET (US)
Learn to read. "Can be disciplined" is not the same as "proof enough for a removal".
6610
Kerwin Stevenson
09-09-2017
02:57 PM ET (US)
Could be a past practice
6609
Kerwin Stevenson
09-09-2017
02:48 PM ET (US)
And during a REDRESS, file the EEO and call it a day!😜
6608
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
09-09-2017
07:54 AM ET (US)
/m6606 Reporting clerk has the right to defend their actions. If report didn't cause panic or harm to PO and customers, then I see no support for a removal.

/m6607 Anyone can make a mistake and an error is not proof enough for a removal. Besides, a specific charge and violation of the contract must be stated on a removal; 'just because' ain't enough.
6607
real PMG
09-08-2017
07:42 PM ET (US)
If it's proven that the clerk made a false police report, it's a criminal offense and it's up to the DA to file charge.

How is it a false report against another person becomes a false alarm and how did it affect public safety? Did s/he say bomb or fire? Was it a terrorist threat?

One way that the clerk can be disciplined is that s/he did not follow protocol by involve his/her superior before calling law enforcement.
6606
rabma
09-08-2017
09:31 AM ET (US)
A clerk employee called the cops on a another clerk employee at the post office. The cops came into the post office building and did the investigation but after the three month investigation the cop charged the clerk with a crime of making a false report.

Question 1 Can the clerk get fired from the post office because the officer thinks the clerk that called the cop was making a false alarm charge to public safety?

Second question is what rights do the clerk have to protect their job?
6605
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
09-08-2017
07:04 AM ET (US)
As usual, mgt is which is why unions win so often.
6604
real PMG
09-07-2017
06:54 PM ET (US)
Here is the biggest holes of all: Your mgmt denied that they received member's 3971s but readily admitted that the holes meant an appointment card was attached? Who's the stupid now?
6603
real PMG
09-07-2017
06:40 PM ET (US)
Only the gullible like yourself would believe the hole meant something was there.Hell, I can poke the hole myself before submitting it. Are they gonna ask why the holes?

Your story is full of holes, and so are people who believe it.

Pun is indeed intended!
Edited 09-07-2017 06:45 PM
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