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Steve B
11:31 PM ET (US)
I have since "upgraded" the tiller you see in the pictures to one that is about 6'-0" long. Now I can reach into the cabin for stuff I don't want to have in the cockpit while sailing and the boat seems to sail better when I sit closer to the aft face of the cabin. The Norwegian tiller definitely lets me put the helm over further than the standard one did as I'm not travel-limited by the traveler. I did check and Iain gave the modification his blessing. I will take a picture of the current rig, I'm pretty happy with how it all worked out. One of the things I did that worked out well was to build a hollow boomkin and run the mizzen sheet through it to a cleat, very tidy now and within easy reach. The cockpit on this boat is small, I've had three in it and felt kind of claustrophobic. But 95% of the time I am going solo so it is perfect.
11:58 PM ET (US)
Thanks. I had a bit of a seniors moment and forgot that I use eye straps for the rope to go through. Had even already bought them. Don't know why I was imagining that I was stringing the rope through the deck.

The push stick steering looks brilliant Steve, but not quite ready to go that "radical."

On a related note: How is the turn circle of Eun Mara? I am wondering if we get much tiller throw with the restriction of the traveler.

Thanks in advance.

Edited 11-05-2017 12:00 AM
Steve B
04:01 PM ET (US)

Should get you to a picture of my aft deck area and my early traveler set-up. I have since abandoned the rope and gone with a block mounted directly to the deck. It cleaned up my steering arrangements and worked well for me over the past sailing season.
Alan Hosler
09:18 PM ET (US)
I didn't run my line through the deck. I put two eye strap fittings on the deck for the traveller to tie to. Also, for the ledge under the aft deck I sloped it to the motor well. I have a rim around the motor well so things don't roll into the water. In the rim I put scuppers.
Andrew McGreal
09:05 PM ET (US)
Long time posting but did not want to bother you guys with trivial.

So in that spirit got a trivial concern.

The traveller is just a rope which goes through the aft deck right? So when it rains, doesn't water drip into the compartments below?

Not sure how it could be sealed.

Am I missing something here?

DaleHPerson was signed in when posted
09:22 PM ET (US)
Hi again Jim,

Last I heard of Paul and "Adagio", your boat, was this: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php...ck&highlight=Adagio Looks like he went in another direction and she looks to be a real beauty, too.

The stuff between your timbers does not sound like an adhesive, certainly not epoxy or 3M 5200. It sounds like it's a bedding compound and was just painted over once the keel bolts were tightened up and any drifts installed. The wood has likely shrunken up a bit and that's why you're getting that movement. While the joints seem iffy, the wood actually looks pretty good in the pictures. The way I see it you have a few choices. (1.) Loosen up the bolts and see what the wood is like, if sound apply a similar bedding compound in the joint, tighten up the bolts, clean up. prime and paint. So, the same as it is now but renewed. (2.) Disassemble, clean up and if sound, reassemble with epoxy/thickener, bolt.epoxy in place, apply a couple of layers of glass, seal, sand, and paint. (3.) Remove and using the wood pieces as a pattern, laminate up a new one with fresh material, cover with a couple of layers of fibreglass, epoxy/bolt it in place.

These are just a few ideas that occurred to me as I read and looked at the pictures. For the record, my entire keel/deadwood is laminated Douglas Fir saturated with epoxy, covered with a few layers of glass and epoxied/filleted to the hull along with oversized bronze bolts. Oversized because that's what I could get. I really know very little of any other method of constructing the boat's deadwood.

For the record, I'd never recommend epoxy or glass over paint no matter how scuffed up it is. You need to let the epoxy penetrate the wood then apply the glass. Careful about the epoxy "blush" after it cures up. I basically built my boat with the "Special UV Hardener" #207(?) to avoid the problem altogether.

I'm sure there will be other suggestions shortly. Good Luck!
Edited 09-16-2017 09:23 PM
Jim APerson was signed in when posted
12:15 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure how the link to photos will turn out you to view. Please let me know it it is adequate for viewing.

Thanks for the warm welcome,
I have Paul Frederiksens boat so I am sure you are familiar with her,
I did not receive the plans,
I have the stern post hung rudder.

If the link to the pictures work, what you see is the stern dead wood ( is that the right terminology?) going up to the stern post.
You can see in the pics with the paint what I originally could see. The seams looked not good. So I sanded it down (probably to much). The seams had a soft material in them. I am assuming it is the adhesive, I cleaned out some but more will need to be removed. You can also see where the deadwood meets the hull that there is some gaping there. The bottom timber is loose from the aft end to where I assume the first through bolt up to the keelson is. I can move the bottom timber back and forth slightly.

My thoughts are I can fill the voids with epoxy and then recoat the whole thing with epoxy.

Do you think I need to install a fastener from the bottom timber into the next timber up?
Can I fill the joint between the deadwood and hull with epoxy?
Should I use an glass?
Should I sand the entire dead wood to remove all the paint or can I just clean the seams, scuff the paint and epoxy over it?

I"m sure I have not covered it all but any help will be appreciated.

As far as materials go, I did the research and decided on West System. I have 105 gallon, 205 quart with the pumps. I bought a quantity of 6 oz cloth. I have some 406 Colloidal Silica filler and some syringes. That seemed like a pretty good starter kit.

Thanks in advance
Edited 09-16-2017 12:18 PM
Jim APerson was signed in when posted
11:57 AM ET (US)
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08:37 PM ET (US)
Yep. Welcome, Jim, and what Dale said.
Ian (ex EM Islesburgh).
DaleHPerson was signed in when posted
08:01 PM ET (US)
Hi Jim, and another big welcome to our little group! You'll literally find the world's most knowledgeable and helpful Eun Mara folks here.

You bought an Eun Mara? Well now I'm really curious as to where she was built and by whom, and whether your boat is one that we might be familiar with here. The design and plans have been available for quite awhile (1998?) now and already a few boats that changed hands over the years have resurfaced occasionally.

Did you receive the plans with your boat? If you're going to delve into the boat's innards they will be very useful to say the least. Do you have the inboard rudder version or is your rudder hung on the stern post?

Welcome again and look forward to seeing some pictures of your Eun Mara.

Welcome again,

Richard Almond
06:45 PM ET (US)
Hello Jim, and welcome to the forum. It's good to hear of another EM finding a good home. I'll be happy to post your photos on my web-site. Please email me directly at ralmond at-sign geoss.com.au. (Not sure why I'm trying to hide my email address. Every spammer and distribution list in the world seems to know it anyway.)

Jim A
04:09 PM ET (US)
Good afternoon,
   I have recently purchased an Eun Mara. It was more of a gift than a purchase since I got it for a song, but I do now own it. It has been in my possession for a few months now but have not had the time or finances to begin work on her. In those months I have spent time reading and researching about the boat. I am now ready to begin the few little projects and some modifications the she needs. I am a woodworker and a sailor but have little experience with wooden boats. I am sure that I will be able to do the required work I just want to make sure my processes and procedures are acceptable and seaworthy. After reading all the posts here and visiting the various websites I am confident that all the answers I need will be found on this board if y'all are willing to tolerate me.
   I backed her up to my shop and started on the aft deadwood and rudder. The boat has been sitting for a number of years. there is a cover but the rudder was exposed to the elements. I have it removed and prepped for re glassing. That i think will be pretty straight forward.
   As for the deadwood I will be easier to use pictures. What is the best process for showing pictures to everyone. I do not have a website and I am not what you would call tech savvy.

Thanks in advance for your help,
Andrew McGreal
09:57 PM ET (US)
I kept the cabin the same. That answers my question. Thanks Steve. Not making the canals this year. Sigh. But it was mostly a dream to make me work harder. Cabin sides done. Cockpit shaping up.


Steve B
01:22 PM ET (US)
I used the beams to determine where the panels split. As I remember it, I used three pieces, one from the forward face of the cabin back to the beam forming the forward edge of the companionway with a smaller piece to the port and starboard side. But you revised the cabin layout, right?
Ian Milne
05:34 AM ET (US)
Thanks, Richard. Good work, Edwin! Andrew, I put the join in my roofpanels along the line of one of my handrails.
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