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Joe
11-16-2006
05:04 PM ET (US)
re: John Carter's post
You need to go back and learn some history. Vietnam had won its freedom from the French but the Northern half was governed by Communists. Communism as you may not know is not a free society but one of impose poverty and slavery. South Vietnam was free to elect its government but with the invasion by North Vietnam, that government dissolved into a strongman government. There was still more freedom than in the North.

We entered on the side of a free nation under assault by its Communist neighbor. Our redeployment in 1975 and abandonment of South Vietnam by a Democrat congress directly led to the fall of South Vietnam and the torture and deaths of hundreds of thousands Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotions. The susquent refugee disaster verified the rejection of communism by those who failed to embrace the communist form of slavery.

Bear these lessons in mind as a new Democrat congress prepares to repeat the same mistake. Only it will be worse.
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John Carter
11-10-2006
09:57 AM ET (US)
Why is it that in all of your discussions the people of Vietnamm are completely absent? Do the American people not realise that all that country wanted was freedom? In order to get it they had to fight the French and then the U.S. This freedom from colonialism was promised to the Vietnamese on condition that they helped in the fight against the Japanese during WWII. The Fench reneged on this agreement and re-imposed themselves in 1945.
Unfortunately, the people of the United States were misled by their leaders into believing that the fall of Vietnam would produce the so-called domino effect - which it didn't.
The tragedy is that so many Americans along with 2 million Vietnamese died in order to prove how wrong the policy was.
The American people must realise that their freedom from colonialism under the British was brought about by the same methods employed by the Vietmanese - guerilla warfare.
It is a sad reality that so many young Americans had to die for a false political aim.
It would appear that history is repeating itself now in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Dan Turner
05-10-2005
08:33 PM ET (US)
 I read with interest the announcement about a welcome home at Branson. I appreciate what the organizers have done, and I am sure their intentions are honorable and this should be a good event.

 

But, it is too late.

 

I am 62 now and was 21 the first time I went to war in Viet Nam. It is too late. I remember vividly what it was like to be a warrior throughout the 60s and 70s. And yes, I was one of those warriors that got in a hell of a good fight in the San Francisco Airport upon return from my second tour in 1969. It is too late.

 

I also remember the way warriors were treated by the "social elite" during those years. How we were looked down on and treated as if we were leprous. And I, like many, retreated back into the protective cone of fellow warriors and had nothing to do with the "social elite". I remember what it was like to travel in uniform, and how we avoided it if we could. I remember the look in my parents eyes, wondering if I could have done all those things that all said the warriors did. They knew better, but everyone was talking about the low evil things warriors did. It is too late, my parents are gone.

 

I remember how Reagan turned the tide and how he made it respectable to be a veteran, and I remember how all wanted to be my friend and hear my story, or at least until they got bored. I had no tales of killing women and children or burning villages, so they were bored quickly. I wondered where they were in 68, and I heard many stories from them of how they wanted to be there with me in the Big Valley, but couldn't. But, times had been changed by a caring president and now all wanted a pet veteran, one they could parade out for the benefit of the "social elite". It is too late to remove those old but persistent pains.

 

I remember the "Gulf War" and how the old Warriors were united to insure there would be better treatment for the young warriors coming home. I remember the jubilation in the streets and amongst even the "social elite" when the young warriors came home, and I watched as the old warriors rejoiced internally over this jubilation. The old warrior asked for none, because it was too late. Many of his old warrior buddies were now dying off , or they were getting old like him and realized it was too late. But they and he rejoiced inwardly for the new generation of warrior.

 

I remember the cold dark years of the 90s, when no warrior was welcome in the Big House. I remember seeing the "social elite" coming to power and bringing out the old wounds again. And how they seem to relish in pouring salt into the old wounds and how they chipped away at my grand military. I watched as they pushed to have my honored profession of arms put down and trashed again. I watched as it was no longer fashionable to have a pet Veteran again and how the old wounds hurt deeply again. It is too late to heal as the wound goes into the quick of the bone now.

 

I remember watching the newest generation go off to war, and how many thought he was unprepared. But he, like us, showed the world the might of the American warrior. He has now proved himself worthy of the title "Warrior". And now it is his time for a grateful nation to recognize and praise his battle. The old warrior watches and is pleased that he is welcomed home. The old warrior, along with most, stands in the airports and applauds him as he walks off the plane, and life is good. But it is too late for the old warrior.

 

There are many who claim to be part of that old warrior generation. There are many that steal the only thing he has, his valor. There are too many that want to ignore his plight and his honor. There are too many that don't see the harm in it and wonder why the old warrior hurts and bleeds deep inside. It is too late for the long wished for but forgotten "Welcome Home".

 

So thank you for the thought, and I mean you no ugliness. But I am old but have not forgotten those three decades. I asked for nothing then, and I want nothing now. I am more than content to enjoy the friendship of my fellow warriors, old and young. And I am proud that I can get up every morning and look in the mirror while shaving, and know that I did my part, and that I take a back seat to no one. I have walked in the Big Valley with some of the best America had to offer, and I thank God for the honor of doing so.

 

I am home.

 

Dan Turner

"Redwine"

"For those that fight for it,

Life has a flavor the protected will never know"

anonymous
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ED DAVIS
09-12-2004
12:35 PM ET (US)
THANK GOD FOR GUYS LIKE STEVE SHERMAN, HIS WEBSITE IS A BRIGHT LIGHT IN A SEA OF DARKNESS, MY NAME IS ED DAVIS, I WAS IN VIETNAM FOR 8 YEARS, 60 MONTHS OF THAT TIME IN COMBAT UNITS, FOR THE PAST 38 YEARS I HAVE SEEN THE LIBERAL AND LEFT WING MEDIA PROPAGANDA MACHINE AT WORK CONTINUOUSLY MISLEADING THE WORLD ON THE VIETNAM CONFLICT. I CAN DISPUTE MOST EVERYTHING THE LIBERAL MEDIA, AND THE LEFT WING PUNDITS HAVE SAID AND STILL SAY ABOULT OUR MILITARY IN VIETNAM. SINCE THE BIRTH OF OUR COUNTRY OUR MILITARY FORCES HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TO KEEP US FREE FROM BEING UNDER THE CONTROL OF FORIEGN GOVERMENTS, VIETNAM WAS A PART OF THAT FIGHT AGAINST THE FORCEFULL EXPANSION OF COMMUNISM AROUND THE WORLD AT THAT TIME, IRAQ IS NOW PART OF OUR FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM AROUND THE WORLD AT THIS TIME, THOSE FOOLS OF HISTORY WHO WERE AGAINST US IN VIETNAM, ARE NOW THE SAME FOOLS AGAIN, WHOM WE MUST FIGHT AND EXPOSE, TO AGAIN KEEP OUR NATION SAFE FROM THE FORIEGN INFLUENCE OF ANOTHER THREAT, TERRORISM.
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Captain Ed Yarbrough (Ret
08-28-2004
02:51 PM ET (US)
To All Vietnam Veterans,
What a time in our life it was for most of us. It was a time for those who service for this country no matter what branch of service you were in proved to be something that will be forever emblazoned in our minds. A time that brought out the strength and forebearance of every individual that had served during Vietnam, to include those of us that had went to Vietnam, a time that will be forever remembered by so many,from the losses this country had suffered, the courage of all to face and stand up for their belief and dedication for the freedoms we enjoy, and the chance to show the world, the United States, and our family just how far we would go to defend, and perhaps give the same to others who for all intensive pruposes, who could not, then did not, and eventually lost the freedoms we enjoy in a democracy. It is with extreme regret that I am speaking about and coming forward with such resolve to protect, endure, and stand up for not only the USA, but the troops, the soldiers,the lost souls, and perhaps the most significant part, of which, comes at a time when we probably all thought would come to light in such a manner that tarnishes the soul of the ones who gave it all, and wants and deserves to walk so proudly without strife and turmoil that we endured after most of us came back. The hopes and dreams of having a significant place in the United states role in the exercise of giving and living in a peaceful co-existance wiht our fellow veterans and soldiers thorughout the many years thereafter has again come up in our life. In particular this has to do with the awards and medals that were given during tht period of time, and of which has set a precedent for those who have followed. There are many of us thst don't share the manner in which these awards and medals were awarded or given because of the few who have seriously damaged and abused the very system, and souls, of not only the ones who paid the ultimate price, but the ones who are here today to speak out. Did the system fail or did the individual who saw a way for selfish gain and intent see how to usurp the system, and saw a away to abuse the system because of the very trust that had been given them within the military to fully adhere to the demands of what it really takes, I don't really think so! I do think the very few that found that avenue to gain the notoriety if you will by abusing the very morality of which is so commonly talked about when it comes to politcal venues, and for that matter even palcing it on the same road, platform, or belief is despictable. The wounds of battle are not defined by the ones who have intentional interests in obtaining them prior to them happening. The differance is that, although this may be personal, is if I had the belief for one moment that if it was a reward I was looking for I would of turned down what I was awarded. For the path that I went down didn't tell me to do this because it would mean I would become a hero, it was a moment in time, that deserved every bit of strength, every bit of training, every bit of reason for the other, besides myself, that I could muster up, coupled with the fear that I was able to overcome and ride with, rather than run away from, because simply put it was the right thing to do for myself, for the other, and for my beliefs. These are the characteristics, that I think I had, of the teachings, and support I had been given, and the collecive demeanor we had to "get the job done, mission accomplished, with no one left behind", and every effort of the heat of the moment was given by all with the full grace and respect of those before me who had displayed the same.
There is no definition for what we could of done, it was done, and whatever it was we did it, and the observations of others who did the same are the collective observations of the loyalty to others in the heat of the moment. When that collective moment is stripped out of it, then it is the trust that must prevail for awards are given and not taken. Tht trust on the surface is given to every officer that I have met, and have had the pleasure of being one myself, is called integrity, and it is for that reason that I am speaking, for the buck stops here to quote some famous inidividual who brought more fun and enjoyment out of the dollar as a result of our efforts to uphold that integrity and trust, that integrity is that exist amongst us officers, and the trust I am talking about is the trust that the enlisted man has for us. Although this may sound like it is getting political because of the upcoming election, it is this trust and integrity that goes with every officer that must be upheld in the highest office the US Military has,with no exceptions, that being the Commander in Chief of all miltary, and because it has been allowed to prevail for so many years it is the position of Commander in Chief that is seriously being diminished because of one of our very own, and that buck has to stop only now with a vote for the highest postion in the democracy that we have given our all for to flourish, and maintain the highest respect and admiration. I am not General, and I am certainly not anyone famous, but I do have a fruit salad of the same, those of you who were in the miltary will know what I am talking about, that deserves the true recognition and not some facade that others may have put them up to be, and the personal side of this whole issue comes into play for me. It has to do with a personal e-mail that I got from a friend and comrade whom I have the utmost respect for who saw combat and saw the facades that many got their awards. He had said to me all of his hopes and dreams are being shattered, for everything he had given in terms of his loyalty and dedication of service to this country, and his fellow "Band of Brothers" was all in vain, because of this abuse in system by the officers. This broke my heart and diminished every bit of character, and touched the very soul of the person I am, and brought back the pain for the ones who paid the ultimate price. He is a disabled veteran of combat, and the Vietnam War. Collectively speaking it is this "Band of Brothers" that most couldn't even hold a candle up to for what these men have given of themselves for others to walk with the freedoms we paid so dearly for. The awards and medals go a lot further than with presentation of them, but they carry a moral and ethical responsibility to uphold the integrity and trust that they were given, that is the belief in what it takes to get the job done and carry on the precedent that was set long before me, and this "Band of Brothers", and the bond that was given by the good Lord himself to recognize the value of the differance between right and wrong. It was earned wihtout any fantsy of selfish intents at all, except being the very best this country had to offer with the total respect we had for the soldier we have of yesterday and today. Today, the very present, was to them and myself, was the tomorrow of the service this country has to offer to every American little boy, and girl has to look up to. It is truly a shame when the integrity and trust has been violated and abused to the point that the emotions , and feelings, towards the very aspect the awards and medals were given in the first place, is now in the hands of a very few who have found that avenue of notoriety and political pedestals that have brought the memories and losses of a time that brought this country to dam near it very knees from within, has to come back in such a manner to haunt and subject these people thru the same again. This is the the despictable part of our system that has prevailed, and probably one of the greatest failure of all about Vietnam. It is with this I bring out the integrity of the officer corps, and the respect of the enlisted ranks of the system of how they percieved it with the abuse in the manner of which awards were done and given, and to think that it can prevail is beyond belief if it is allowed to reach rank of Commander in Chief, and personally feel it should not be an issue today. I personally have no vengence with the system or any one individual but I do have a lot of resolve and conviction to not tolerate it to ever happen again, and unfortunately it is going to take a vote to change that because of the degreee that it has been allowed to progress, because one position compliments the other. This is our time, the officer corps, it is not the the enlisted, and this is what it is going to take to maintain the honest integrity and trust that was given to us, and we were empowered with to maintain that the rest of our life along with that commission and uphold the standards of our predecessors and lost souls who paid that ultimate price. It is never too late for change, for those of you who say why now, and not then, in no way justifes the prepetution of the wrongs. The integrity and trust of the officer corps and the senior non-commsssioned is being threatened here, and it up to us to see that the threat is done away with today, for yesterday is dead and gone. This is my voice and some respect I don't speak alone, but this has got to stop, and perhaps the belief of my fellow brother can be restored, and the divide that has been created as a result of Vietnam, and perpetuated by this very campaign can be diminished and done away with, and the last battle, the last ultimate price, and the last camp over run. This is our country and not the ones who have abused it with selfish intentions coupled with negtive manipulation fo feelings, emotions, and abuse of the system. I would rather not say how long a life would last on the battlefield today. This is not a threat but a fact it is clearly evident by the amount of turmoil with the voices that speak out with everything they can muster for the very tomorrow of soldier today depends upon it. God Bless America, and every soldier and veteran that knows the difference between right and wrong, and most of all perhaps the last loss in one of the most trying wars in America's history can be put to rest, and that divide be bridged, and the colors of such can wave proudly with reverance and respect of our children of tomorrow, and the soldier fighting the same today.

Welcome home and welcome back

Ed Yarbrough
Captain, Infantry
Special Forces Retired
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Steve Sherman
08-14-2004
08:04 PM ET (US)
The videos are now posted in a lo res (160x120 version) so click on dial-up whether you have DSL/cable/dialup. I will post the transcripts and powerpoint presentations as I get the opportunity and if I have the transcripts. I hope to learn how to put the PPT slides into the video track and later to post the higher-res versions of the video.
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Tom
07-27-2004
10:54 AM ET (US)
How about posting transcripts of the sessions for those unable to attend?
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Bob
07-23-2004
03:35 PM ET (US)
I just found this website and am amazed with this organizations' work. I sure appreciate Steve and his team in developing this website so we can discuss the Vietnam War.

With Kerry using his four months in Vietnam as part of his stump speech, it's great we can help tell the real truth about Vietnam.

Thank God for the web. Without it the majority of voters in the U.S. would be voting based on lies spread by Kerry.
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Joe
06-01-2004
10:48 PM ET (US)
that should read:

http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi/denton.html ( sorry 'bout that )
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Joe
06-01-2004
10:47 PM ET (US)
You can read more about Jerry Denton at:
http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi/denton

Col. Larson also speaks about Jerry in his bio..
Click on Col. Larson's name at the site.
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Stephen ShermanPerson was signed in when posted
04-21-2004
09:50 AM ET (US)
I welcome your comments to this session where we will discuss our objectives in holding this conference. To return to the Session Page go to http://www.viet-myths.net/Session01.htm

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