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FreeBSD, KDE, and Me

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09:25 AM ET (US)
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02:48 PM ET (US)
Here's another update. The introduction to Debian I got through Knoppix, and my preference for Gnome, inevitably led me to Ubuntu, which is now my favorite open source OS distribution for desktop users.
pbxPerson was signed in when posted
10:29 AM ET (US)
FWIW here's a status update: the $60 computer is now running Debian Linux, which I got sucked into via a Knoppix CD. Debian is pretty cool... for Linux. I also have migrated ffrom KDE to Gnome -- I miss a couple of KDE's features (network transparency and Klipper), but my delicate Mac sensibilities just couldn't take all the busyness anymore; it can't be just "skinned" away.

And I never did get that Turtle Beach sound card to work!
09:45 AM ET (US)
1.If you want Java and Flash installed easily by default try SuSE.
2.There are Mac Linux distro and Linux is more comptible with different hardware than FreeBSD.
3.I also had a quick pick at KDE 3.2 and it looks awesome, gotta give it a shot when it's released.
Matija "hook" Suklje
05:24 AM ET (US)
IF you'll happen to try out a Linux distro, I'd heavily suggest trying out Gentoo, since you're familiar with Ports, you'll just _love_ Portage in Gentoo - basically it's Ports which can handle dependancies and has a lot of other very nice options.

Really, I'm not doing this as a Gentoo zealot, I really believe in freedom of choice. I just thought you might be interested in reading a thing or two about it, since you mention Ports' lack of dependancy-management.

Brendan Orr
02:11 AM ET (US)
Actually, KDE can run on top of Mac OSX too. One of my friends showed me his iBook running KDE, all thanks to the portable nature of X11
11:51 AM ET (US)
You can right-click in OS X to bring up a list of bookmarks for SSH, telnet, SFTP, etc...
George Lien
05:03 AM ET (US)
I installed Virtual PC 6.1 under MacOS X, so I could use Windows 2000 and Office 2000 for work. I also plan to use VPC 6.1 to run Linux.

For your information, I also plan to run Linux on VPC 6.1 since it allows Macs to run multi-platforms.

Best Regards,
George Lien
Edited 12-04-2003 05:04 AM
09:41 PM ET (US)
Tom: KDE can be configured to put the menu bar at the top of the screen, Mac-style. Personally, I find that the Mac style just ensures that the menu is always maximally far away from my mouse pointer, which means more annoying mousing, but that's a matter of personal taste.

I've tried KDE on OS X, but AFAICT it's not ready for prime time. I've never managed to boot a complete KDE session (kwin window manager) successfully, although I use Konsole as my main terminal, since doesn't support tabs, iTerm is painfully slow, and glTerm isn't free. I'd really like to see a successful native port of KDE to OS X, but I don't know if anybody's really working on it.

Photoshop isn't an issue for me -- I'm a programmer.
09:33 PM ET (US)
I switched to OS X from Linux and I have to say I'm not always sure I made the right decision.

What I gained: The hardware Just Works (almost -- my bog-standard USB 2.0 hub doesn't work). My PowerBook 15" is the Porsche of laptops -- the hardware is awesome. Moreover, hardware I buy is mostly supported by the vendor on OS X. I can play games and work in the same OS. I have never needed to recompile the kernel. iTunes is very nice.

What I lost: KDE is a more powerful UI. You can use the keyboard *or* mouse with ease. You have lots of useful configuration options. Apple gives you only a handful of options that tend to be insufficient for a power user. Konqueror is a better browser than Safari, though Safari is quicker and the interface is slicker. KMail is more powerful than Apple's X11 is buggy. It was *nice* to use an OS where the OS developers would actually answer your questions and you could follow their work on a day-to-day basis. It was *nice* to be part of a community that didn't believe in shareware. When configured correctly, Freetype does font smoothing better than OS X! There's more, but I don't want to rant too much.

Writing this has made me realize how much I miss Linux... :-) I wish I could install YDL without wiping and reinstalling OS X...

truhe: You've got it backwards. It's easy to mount ftp servers, smb shares, and tons of other remote filesystems under linux, and they will work with any application. KDE just makes it even *easier*, providing you with a unified interface to all file operations whether they're local or remote files, and you don't have to bother to mount the remote filesystem.
09:26 PM ET (US)
Great article. However, you didn't address one of my main gripes about any of the Linux variants -- they follow the "brain dead" Microsoft approach of ataching the menu bar to the file, rather than running it accross the top like Apple has since the very first Mac. It may be just my personal preference, but I find the Mac menu system to be far superior. I tend to have upwards of ten apps open at any one time...and when each window has its own menu it get confusing fast. With the Mac I always know wherre the correct menu is -- with the other systems, I often find myself clicking on the wrong menu -- attached to a different file. Then I have to fix the file I just changed -- then locate the correct window an apply my changes. This alone keeps me using and loving the Mac. Then again, Adobe Photshop isn't available for Linux, either. I don't want to start any flame wars, but Adobe's interface is simply superior to anything else I've used. The Gimp is a great effort, but for all out productivity -- I'm afraid theat Photoshop is far superior.
I still enjoyed your article. Anyone tried running KDE in Apple's X11 under OS X?
07:11 PM ET (US)
You gave me the confidence to give this a try sometime. I might go with Lindows though, as it seems they have tried to make it "just work" out of the box. The only thing there is, the business model becomes more like .net and .Mac - they prefer users to "subscribe" to a download service.

Alternatively, I might install YDL (with KDE) on an older Power Mac I have sitting around.
Linux and KDE are on PPC
06:25 PM ET (US)
You don't seem to realise that Linux is available for PowerPC machines too. I'm using KDE on an ibook right now. And... yes, it's nicer :)
04:36 PM ET (US)
the file system structure of mac os x is more network transparent than kde. kde of course has a very nice implementation, but it only works for kde apps. on mac os x servers like an ftp-server gets mounted directly into the file system and can be used by any application (carbon, cocoa, classic, unix...). the apps only sees a normal directory and normal files and behaves like these files are local files.

but, and it's a big but, while in theory this is really great and much better than the kde thing in praxis apple failed to fully implement it. just take ftp... it gets mounted, every app can read but no app except ones running as root can write to it...
04:11 PM ET (US)
Just goes to show how good KDE is. The main gripes he has, Java and Flash, aren't even KDE issues, they are FreeBSD issues. KDE rocks, and realistically is does compare well against OSX. Gnome is getting better as well, but its still more like the KDE 2.x series verses where KDE is now with 3.x. Either way if your willing to go opensource you won't be wanting for a quality desktop environment.
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