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12-16-2014
08:12 AM ET (US)
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Aaron LarsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-15-2004
08:49 AM ET (US)
Prior to attacking Clinton (over Lewinsky, of course), Suzanne Fields announces, "The ranks of the 'good girls' are growing. Teenage pregnancies are down, way down." Anti-feminism at its best....
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mythago
03-10-2004
12:26 PM ET (US)
*Regular* blowjobs.
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Laura Larson
03-10-2004
12:11 PM ET (US)
But then what would be the incentive for the male paleocon to get married under such favorable circumstances?? :)
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mythago
03-10-2004
10:41 AM ET (US)
Oh, well, shoot. Here I was going to ask you what it was like. ;)

I knew a lot of people like your ex-roommate. One college acquaintance had, in his own words, done "everything but" (vaginal or anal intercourse) so that he could be a virgin when he got married--he got annoyed when I suggested that kinda missed the point.

Though it would be funny to hear a paleocon argue "Do as I did--only blowjobs until you get that rock on your finger!"
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Laura Larson
03-10-2004
10:10 AM ET (US)
Actually, I was just joking and wanted to see Aaron rolling around on the floor in laughter at my post. Believe me, I have no moral authority.

I was thinking about my ex-roommate who pledged virginity until marriage. And under the Bill Clinton definition, she and her fiance have kept that pledge. However, a lot of the "technical" virgin-ians engage in the same practices, and it is just as easy to contract STDs from (not) having (oral) sex.
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mythago
03-10-2004
01:40 AM ET (US)
Which gives *you* the actual moral authority to say to a bunch of teenagers "Hey, I waited until marriage, and I'm glad I did, and here are good reasons you should, too." If Rich Lowry could say something like that, why didn't he?

When I lived in Portland, several prominent public figures were promoting a program called STARS, one of these self-esteem/abstinence programs, and the Oregonian did an interview of the program's founder. When they asked her if she had waited until marriage, she refused to answer.

Now, I may have been an especially perceptive teenager, but somehow I doubt it--and I remember reacting to those kind of lectures with nigh-injurious levels of eye-rolling. It was pretty plain that the adults telling us True Love Waits had not, themselves, waited; were none the worse for it; and probably didn't regret it a bit, except that they were concerned we might figure that out.
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Laura Larson
03-09-2004
11:08 PM ET (US)
Um, I waited until marriage...
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mythago
03-09-2004
11:01 PM ET (US)
And that's why teens do not listen to the "just say no" message. They know damn well that Lowry et al did not wait until marriage to have sex--not remotely--and that they turned out just fine.
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Lynne Fremont
03-09-2004
04:42 PM ET (US)
I cant even begin to imagine why a teenager would *lie* to a pollster. ;) Which reminds me of a time I was taking a survey given by the UofM about drug use. I hadnt even *heard* of most of the drugs but I said that I had tried them anyways for no other reason than I thought it would be funny. (And before you say anything, I didnt start smoking pot, doing cocaine or dropping acid until *after* high school).

Anyhow, I remember seeing that study some years later when some "partnership for a drug free america" types were using it to show that high school seniors did a lot of drugs. *snort*.
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Aaron LarsonPerson was signed in when posted
03-09-2004
04:35 PM ET (US)
Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

One of the problems with survey data, with adults as well as with kids and teens, is that some (and sometimes a lot of) people say what they think the pollster wants to hear, either because they want to make themselves look better (despite promises of, or even a belief in, anonymity), or because they don't believe promises of anonymity. It is thus interesting to compare survey results (e.g., "Are you sexually active?") as they compare to verifiable data such as STD rates.
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BGF
03-09-2004
04:01 PM ET (US)
I thought this link was interesting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3546007.stm

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