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Charlie StrossPerson was signed in when posted
08:04 AM ET (US)
It sounds like a problem with the ribbon cable connecting the keyboard to the laptop. It's fixable under AppleCare or as a paid-for repair; not sure what it'll cost but I'd be surprised if it was over $200. It's almost certainly not something you can fix at home, but on a 17" PB of any vintage it's probably worth spending the money (or at least phoning Apple support and asking for an estimate).
Helen L. Goldstein
03:24 PM ET (US)
I have a G4 17" Powerbook which has a funky keyboard. Sometimes the second-to-bottom row (Z–?) won't work. I've had it for three years and the problem has been happening for most of that time. Does anyone know why it does this or what I can do to fix it? It comes back "on" after a while, but I would prefer it to not happen at all.
Andrew Denny
02:45 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the pointer, Charlie. However, I don't really most of what that page says. :-(

What's emacs? What is/are bindings? (I was hoping for something a litle less technical. :-)

I'm in the UK, and all non-Mac UK keyboards have the " and @ transposed (when compared to the US version). Apple UK, in their wisdom, chose to use the US layout, which is a problem when up to 90% of one's time is on UK keyboards.
Charlie StrossPerson was signed in when posted
02:00 PM ET (US)
Ahem: not that I'd want to do that, but you might find a useful starting point here. OK?
Andrew Denny
02:36 PM ET (US)
I've had my first mac (iBook G4, Panther) for three months now, and I still can't get used to the keyboard layout. I still have to (and want to) use PCs at work, and I want the ibook to have as similar layout as possible. In particular, I really, really really want the pesky " and @ keys to be in the same place as every PC I work on. In addition, a one-finger Del key (not Fn-Bkspace, that doesn't count) would be appreciated (in our office, my Mac is clearly the only one in step).

I can't find a way to remap the iBook keyboard to do this. Surely it should be possible and easy to do in an OS as powerful as Panther?

I bought an add-on Logitech keyboard, which has special Apple keyb symbols and the @ and " keys in the standard PC position, but this still doesn't work - even in the System settings, the Logitech software only allows you to change the special multimedia and internet keys.

Thanks for any help
Andrew Denny
Phil B
12:08 AM ET (US)
DISCLAIMER: I do not have a PowerBook and cannot test this - use at your own risk!!! You might want to try the files located at <System/Library/Extensions/AppleADBKeyboard.kext/Contents/Info.plist> in Panther and try the adding the same lines that we listed on John Fieber's page. I do not have a PowerBook so I do not know if this will work, but the content of the file looks similar. This lines to add are:

<key>Swap control and capslock</key>
Edited 03-06-2004 12:09 AM
Charlie StrossPerson was signed in when posted
02:37 PM ET (US)
Visited a branch of Maplin, and I'm now typing away more-or-less happily on a cheap but clicky UX44 "perfect touch" keyboard. Some minor remapping is probably necessary -- Apple expect the @ and " symbols to be somewhere nonstandard for UK keyboards, even on an Apple UK keyboard -- but it seems to work okay.

As for the IBM ...

Oh yes. Oh YesYesYes!

(Excuse me while I wipe drool off my Powerbook. There is no Windows key on one this old, so I need to figure out where to remap the "option" key, but verily it is lovely to have a real keyboard again, even if it weighs more than the powerbook.)
Charlie StrossPerson was signed in when posted
02:30 PM ET (US)
I've got my USB-PS2 converter dongle. And I've got my IBM M-series keyboard. And my 5-pin DIN to PS/2 adapter dongle.

Guess what?

The USB adapter provides female PS/2 sockets. And so does the 5-pin DIN to PS/2 adapter dongle.

I need a gender bender. Sigh, off to the RS or Maplin catalogues ...
Jon H
12:14 AM ET (US)
Oh, and just a warning: If you just plug in a PC USB keyboard to a Mac, it'll work, but the keys might not be mapped as you would like. Specifically, the Command->alt, option->windows key, etc mappings.

That can get a little aggravating. The Microsoft driver makes it work like a Mac, and you can customize a bit, such as swapping Control and Caps Lock.
Jon H
12:12 AM ET (US)
I'm using a Microsoft USB Internet keyboard.

It's okay. It has all the iTunes control buttons, which work, and it's pretty customizable with the Microsoft Intellitype drivers.

I have mine hooked up to a Hawkins USB KVM, along with a Logitech 2-button scrolling mouse. They're both shared between my G4 and a PC.
John Hawkes-Reed
02:10 PM ET (US)
Recon IBM keyboards are available from these people: http://www.keyboardco.com/ - Can't say what their service is like because the k/b I recovered from a(n) XT-286 in a skip still works as its designer intended.
Chubby Pecker
10:00 PM ET (US)
For years, I've used Datadesk keyboards, they have the great click and feel, but they seem to be determined to remain hard to find or purchase. If you can find a USB Datadesk keyboard, I would recommend it, but good luck trying to find one.
Erik V. OlsonPerson was signed in when posted
09:34 AM ET (US)
Love to hear if it works.

And, I just found this.


Which invovles mapping ctrl onto that otherwise very useless key in a very useful place, the CapsLock key. Do this, map the current ctrl to command, alt to option, and you'll have the full set. You'll have to retrain your fingers -- but having ctrl on the home row is amazingly useful.

Oops. It doesn't work on the TiBook, which, apparently, is an ADB keyboard. Wait -- it won't work on the *built in* keyboard. But it may work on USB.

Give it a swing. (back up the relevant files, first)
Charlie StrossPerson was signed in when posted
08:34 AM ET (US)
I've now got a PS/2 to USB adapter on order from Lindy that allegedly copes with MacOS as well as PC's (presumably using the USB HID protocol or something). If I can remap the gray-alt key to Command I'll be a happy bunny -- the only guy in town using an IBM model M keyboard on a TiBook!
07:57 AM ET (US)
 Maplins are selling PS/2 - USB adaptors if that'll do you. Don't know if they come with Mac drivers but I'd be surprised if they didn't. With Maplins you can always return kit if it doesn't work. The adaptor will also take a standard PS/2 mouse as well.
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