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Comments on Proposed Dog Park for District 9, San Jose (all items)
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Emily
05-16-2003
01:15 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 1
It's a dog "run," not a dog "park."
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Emily
05-16-2003
01:13 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 41
I've never seen the signs. The only signs I've ever seen in the neighborhood concerning the dog run have been mine. Why didn't I get a copy? I'm starting to feel a tad bit left out!
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Emily
05-16-2003
01:10 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 1
...thought I already posted this.....who decides what pictures are used on the site? I'd really be glad to pose my doggie off leash....(Everyone who matters already knows that I run him off leash)...so I have no problem with it at all. I do, however, have a problem with the fact that my butt (can I say butt?) is in one of the pictures. The shot was taken from behind (obviously), and it's not very flattering.
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Emily
05-16-2003
01:05 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 30
The Camden meeting was last night...hardly any people there! The run was mentioned, and the Parks person (forgot his name) inferred that the run would be at Camden.
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Emily
05-16-2003
01:02 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
Yet another reason for the city to hurry up and put a few dog runs in! : ) Have you sent the city those stats?
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Emily
05-16-2003
12:50 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 33
It's a dog run, not a dog park - it would be a quarter of an acre or less. I think that the small area next to the basketball courts would be great. I've lived here for a year and I've only seen people without dogs there three times. Two times looked like a party, and the other was a basketball player getting his ball after it bounced onto the grass. People are already there every night, and no one has ever asked me if I would leave so they could use it for something like soccer or frisbee.
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Emily
05-16-2003
12:44 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 6
When it's raining outside and Fido (not really his name) needs to go outside, he goes into the back yard. He is walked at the park every day, rain or shine, so I simply don't feel the need to grab a leash and head for the park every time he needs to relieve himself.
I agree that a small dog can't knock a child off of a bike. What I was saying was that small dogs are just as bad as large dogs if they're aggressive. I'm not saying that size doesn't matter, I'm just saying that the potential for a serious problem is there, even if the dog only weighs ten pounds.
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Kevin MarksPerson was signed in when posted
05-15-2003
03:28 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
More detailed dog bite statistics here:
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
Studies of dog bite injuries have reported that:

*The median age of patients bitten was 15 years, with children, especially boys aged 5 to 9 years, having the highest incidence rate
*The odds that a bite victim will be a child are 3.2 to 1. (CDC.)
*Children seen in emergency departments were more likely than older persons to be bitten on the face, neck, and head. 77% of injuries to children under 10 years old are facial.
*Severe injuries occur almost exclusively in children less than 10 years of age.
*The majority of dog attacks (61%) happen at home or in a familiar place. 
*The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend. 
*When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%). 

Nothing about loose versus tied dogs there, though if 75% of attacks are on children, and 77% are family or friend's dogs, and there are 4.7 million bites per year, that would be over 800,000 children bitten by stranger's dogs per year.
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Kevin MarksPerson was signed in when posted
05-15-2003
03:09 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 6
When it's pouring with rain, and the dog is scratching at the door, do you go out for exercise, or the dog's relief?
Large dogs are objectively more frightening than small. My son was knocked off his bicycle by a loose Great Dane, whereas a Chihuahua would likely not have managed it. My friend whose beagle was badly mauled by a loose pit bull, and who broke his arm fighting it off would not have been similarly injured by a Yorkshire terrier.
Bicycles are permitted in the park as a whole; they are just prohibited near the Kirk Centre buildings, again a rule enforced with sensible leeway.
http://www.sjparks.org/Home/Rules.htm
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Emily
05-15-2003
03:05 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
I'm sorry that people have been mean to you when you asked them to leash their dogs...that's very rude of them.
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Emily
05-15-2003
03:02 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
About the dog bites - How many of these bites are caused by loose dogs? Dogs are more likely to behave aggressively if they are on leash, because they know that they can't protect themselves as much as they would be able to if they were free. Also, while some dogs will chase people if they're running or riding a bike (something that instinct tells them to do), few will actually bite. As a person who has a lot of experience with dog bites, I can say that with most dog bites, the person is at fault.
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Kevin MarksPerson was signed in when posted
05-15-2003
02:58 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 42
I'm glad you like it - you can get new comments sent to you by email if you like (click on the 'comment forum' link on the main page, then click 'subscribe').
Emily, I know you clean up after your dogs. I clean up after other people's dogs too, checking out the baseball pitch before the children play on it, and hoping I find all the turds by eye rather than by foot.

As I said way back in paragraphs 7 & 8, there is always sensible leeway in enforcement of rules, and a few dog-owners who let dogs run free and clean up after them are not a problem, any more than a couple of people drinking beer or wine with their meal in the barbecue area are.

However, large numbers of dogs running loose in a pack do constitute a problem, and I certainly have experience of dog owners who become very abusive at the suggestion that they follow the by-laws more closely.
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Emily
05-15-2003
02:51 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 6
The primary reason is to get the dog to relieve itself? Who gave you that info?? Whatever happened to walking your dog to exersize it?...get exersize yourself?....train your dog?
What's everyone got again's "large, loose" dogs? What about the smaller dogs? Why the need to blame every bad dog experience on big dogs? If it's running at you, a small dog is just as scary as a large dog to a small child. (Well, they were to me.) About the bicycles - they aren't allowed at the park any more than loose dogs are. There are signs with this information all over the park...why isn't anyone complaining about people breaking that law?
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Kevin MarksPerson was signed in when posted
05-15-2003
02:48 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 33
I know it is. And it seem clear to me that Camden is a better choice, for all the reasons stated here.

Where in Kirk do you propose putting this Dog Park? Is there somewhere it could go without reducing the effective useful area of the park for other uses?
Edited 05-15-2003 03:12 PM
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Kevin MarksPerson was signed in when posted
05-15-2003
02:44 PM ET (US)
General comment
Emily, I illustrated this discussion with pictures taken of various activities within Kirk Park, which is covered under normal free speech exemptions on photography in public. If any the photographs of you make you uncomfortable I can remove them or blur the faces.

If I only showed photos of unleashed dogs, that would be unfair to responsible dog-owners like yourself; the goal here is not to attack dog owners but to try to discuss the issues of shared park usage in a reasonable way.
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Emily
05-15-2003
02:43 PM ET (US)
Regarding item 33
.......me again! Well, it's down to two parks! Either Kirk or Camden.
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