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PEPESPerson was signed in when posted
11-30-2006
09:18 PM ET (US)
In a statement reported in several Canadian newspapers and in an upcoming issue of the Adventist Review, Quebec’s Minister of Education, Jean-marc Fournier, states that all schools in his jurisdiction must teach the provincially prescribed curriculum, including “Darwin’s theory of evolution.” The statement was made in response to a complaint by a district school board against a small Evangelical school which teaches students the Scriptural account of creation alongside the theory of evolution.

Dr. Julia Falla, principal of Greaves Adventist Academy in Montreal, is confident that there is no immediate threat to Adventist education in Quebec, stating that they have not been contacted by government and that there has never been any complaint about the instruction offered there. However, the school does not teach evolutionary theory at all. At most, Falla says, it would only teach evolution as an alternate theory on the origin of the universe, and it would only do so if forced. Canadian Adventist messenger, November-December 2006 p.3. If this Dr. Falla [principal] would have made such a bodacious claim to God’s face, I assure you, she would be fired. Parents, it’s not every logo that says Adventist school, should let you let your guard down and bury your head like an ostrich in the sand and pretend nothing would happen.
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Lenny855
11-23-2003
03:49 PM ET (US)
You want to see AMERICA UBER ALLES ?
Go here: myflagart.com :-)
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David Bilek
03-27-2003
12:49 PM ET (US)
As one of the people who easily dismissed it, I can indeed explain. A (nearly) anonymous post on a livejournal doesn't constitute evidence of any sort. People can and do post all kinds of crazy things to livejournal. I don't need evidence to dismiss paranoia, people need evidence to convince me of it.

And, as it turns out, the guy simply went to Amsterdam.
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Chopper
03-27-2003
10:16 AM ET (US)
David,

You're absolutely correct, which is why I said

"Does this mean that there haven't been abuses? No, of course not. Does this mean that Ashcroft and his cronies aren't working to undermine the Constitution at an alarming rate? No, of course not. Does this mean that we shouldn't be extraordinarily vigilant in the days, weeks, and months to come? Absolutely not."

But it's not just "foreign students" that vanish all the time, it's students of any ethnicity. If there's any pattern, it tends to revolve around socioeconomic status--that is the, the poor and homeless families who move regularly either into new shelters or new rental situations and don't have the time or don't know that there is a strong reason to inform schools of your impending or recent move. And the schools and Child Protective Services are too strapped to be able to do much serious investigative work. Which is why I tended to pish-tosh the individual incident while warning that we still need to be vigilant.
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Steve GloverPerson was signed in when posted
03-27-2003
05:36 AM ET (US)
Good news: Ali's fine.
Bad news: the situation had got to where so many people felt they could believe something like that.
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David Bell
03-26-2003
03:06 PM ET (US)
As it happens, I mentioned this issue on rec.arts.sf.fandom and it surprised me a little how easily some people dismissed it., without any effort to explain why they did so. Yes, the author does tend to jump to conclusions, and the existence of some sort of chain-of-command from the Federal-level downwards doesn't imply a gagging order imposed at that level -- there are plenty of local idiots.

But the "local idiots" idea, and "foreign students vanish all the time", and all the other weaknesses that are there in the account, are just the things that, if accepted, allow a government to get away with the abuses of power.

If people don't compare notes, everybody sees enemy action and thinks, "Once is happenstance..."
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Chopper
03-26-2003
12:28 PM ET (US)
Speaking as an American with deep suspicions of the Bush regime and as a man with a wife who teaches in an inner-city school, this article is overblown beyond reason. My wife has students of all ethnicities disappear with no explanation *all the time*--several times per year, every year. Sometimes they crop up in other schools, sometimes they've returned to their home countries. Sometimes they crop up again, sometimes they don't. I feel very safe in saying there is no secret pogrom against people of Middle-Eastern descent. Does this mean that there haven't been abuses? No, of course not. Does this mean that Ashcroft and his cronies aren't working to undermine the Constitution at an alarming rate? No, of course not. Does this mean that we shouldn't be extraordinarily vigilant in the days, weeks, and months to come? Absolutely not.

But engaging in this sort of irresponsible hysteria only makes it easier for the undecided and the not-firmly-entrenched to dismiss our fears, because all they have to do is look around to see that they're not true.

As far as the "don't criticise the war" angle--well, I have to admit it's more troublesome, but every time any controversial subject is in the news a lot, some jackass in a school system will try to put out a gag order. It's a routine pain in the ass to fight, not a sign of a dark conspiracy.

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