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Sue MacIntosh
08:10 PM ET (US)
Julio MarquezPerson was signed in when posted
10:32 AM ET (US)
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Edited 05-20-2003 10:33 AM
Julie PearcePerson was signed in when posted
10:26 AM ET (US)
Good Morning boys and girls...

I am making my way through my first cup of coffee. I was at work until 1 a.m. and didn't settle off to sleep until well after 2.. yawn!

This whole intelligence thing is waking me up though. I believe I may have some personal experience that may shed some light on the subject. First and foremost, in order to effectively debate this issue, intelligence has to be defined and then quantified. It is my strong opinion that that is nearly impossible to do. How does one define intelligence? What exactly is it? And how does one quantify it? The IQ test? They are complete and utter CRAP! My sons have been pigeonholed in our so called ADVANCED SYSTEM because of their "scores" on "intelligence tests"!!! As you all know, they were born with a severe speech impairment and their "intelligence" ranks in the "very low normal range"... !!! Yes, they may struggle in school, but they are incredibly intuitive and insightful boys, and often suprise us with a wonderful grasp of vocabulary that even the "intelligent" kids cannot understand, much less use to as cleverly and naturally as they do!!

Here is an example, from my boy Ryan, that also happens to illustrate how other societies, despite the consensus that they are inferior, might have actually been much smarter than us!! Ryan often expresses his outrage at how modern man is rapidly decimating our earth with it's "advances".
We were discussing this one day, as we do on many occasions.
Pollution, species extinction, whole eco-systems teetering on oblivion...and so on. My son, with his "low IQ" says..
"We should have just stayed in our loin clothes"

Chasing buffalo across the prairie seems pretty smart to me!

Julio Marquez
10:19 AM ET (US)
Julio MarquezPerson was signed in when posted
10:15 AM ET (US)
Moron intelligence:

I mean, more on intelligence:

Intelligence, as a huiman trait, will exist everywhere. That is, any culture will have roughly as many intelligent people in it as any other culture. It's been shown that IQ is a bell curve distribution, so it follows that there are even more intelligent people in India or China than in the US.

Has that made India and China better culturally than the US? Of course not! So please stop linking intelligence with your arguments as a counterargument to mine because I never made it in the first place!

The reason the US is better than India or China in most important things except maybe food is that the US has a superior system, designed by intelligent people but somehow accepted by the population due perhaps to pretty special circumstances. So from that point on, the population was free to by and large do their own thing. Yet in China, all were subjugated to the emperor and now the Communist Party. And in India, they all believe cows are sacred, among other totally ridiculous, absurd and wrong things (reincarnation, castes, you name it).

So if an intelligent person develops or comes to the US, like Einstein, he/she can achieve all kinds of interesting things, helping the culture move forward. Not so in India or China, because the culture is set up to prevent basic change.

It's nice for Lisa to go on and say I am selective about facts or have attitude problems, etc. Yet when I state something, I very rarely get disproved. And many people dislike that, because they hate being wrong. So all that is left is to make sweeping and incorrect generalizations about me.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted
08:47 PM ET (US)
Julio: Okay, so the market rebounded during the speach but then crashed afterwards. I thought it was pretty clear
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