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SweatyrubberthumbPerson was signed in when posted
12:40 AM CST(US)
Sodone /m95170 JCAM page 16-2
"Disciplinary actions should be taken as promptly as possibly after the offense has been committed."

There is no specific time period. However a good steward should be able to argue the point effectively about what exactly constitutes "prompt" discipline.
11:15 PM CST(US)
Does anyone know how long after a PDI does management have to issue a write up for the matters covered in the PDI? Seems like a little retaliation to issue one for no new infraction after months have passed. Got it after being out on 2 week sick leave
07:27 PM CST(US)
Comfortably numb, I appreciate your help. I seem to be making some noise about my retreat rights and I have submitted a letter of hard ship to the gaining office as well. Our union had been it contact and it looks promising I'll retreat.
07:17 PM CST(US)
I've worked for the Po for 20 years 7 non career, I was hired as a ptf in 03, I've worked in rural areas all those years, I took the opportunity in 2013 and drove 60 miles to become ft, the best thing I did for my career. best I can say is PTF's still have super seniority on ereassign you can pick anywhere.research, ask around find your spot. It won't find you. bonus you have retreat rights for now.
07:00 PM CST(US)
95161 well said.thanks
comfortablynumbPerson was signed in when posted
06:24 PM CST(US)
/m95162 less than 500
Hannah BlectorPerson was signed in when posted
12:21 PM CST(US)
All good. I did express the thought that a lot of money was wasted in small towns. That is just a business observation. So I could see how my words could have been read. I am probably oversensitive if I believe someone thinks I don't hate Postal management with every cell in my body or that I would want to help mgmt in any way.
SweatyrubberthumbPerson was signed in when posted
10:38 AM CST(US)
Hanna - ok. But my thoughts still stand. Maybe it's how I read your words? Sometimes the intentions arent conveyed as we think they are. No biggy.
Hannah BlectorPerson was signed in when posted
09:36 AM CST(US)
/m95161 I don't know how you got the idea I thought anyone should be fired. I said the Post Office couldn't get rid of them. I know one person they tried everything they could to get to go to a nearby office where there were many hours. The clerk had it so good she wouldn't budge. My post was about how much compensation per hour career employees who work fewer hours get. If anything, I was saying it is good work if you can get it.

FYI, I have written statements in behalf of fellow employees I thought should be fired trying to help them because I never want management to win. I even wanted one such person to get years of back pay when she got her job back just to stick it to management. I hate that the sick managers never get any harm. She did not get back pay. She came back, worked an hour, and quit.

I am glad you put my words in quotes. I did not say the Post Office should have gotten rid of them.
Frustrated PTF
05:53 AM CST(US)
/m95158 Thanks for your post I was beginning to think I was the last PTF out there. I live in a rural area, and have no desire to drive over 60 miles a day in the winter just to make regular either. Does anyone know how may PTF's are left?
SweatyrubberthumbPerson was signed in when posted
11:08 PM CST(US)
Hanna - I have issues when people start saying "the post office couldn't get rid of them". That comes with a trickle down theory and before you know it everyone has an opinion of who they should get "rid of". That is management mentality. Times change and hopefully the rules change to reflect that. But as you know any rule changing where management and union is involved takes time. I don't pay dues to get "rid of people" I determine unworthy. I pay dues to protect my job and welfare. Clearly in your scenario, that's what happened, without the union people can be "rid of" at any whim or time. It's not always fair, but I'll take protection of my rights any day with the hope of making it fair rather than not.
Hannah BlectorPerson was signed in when posted
10:29 PM CST(US)
/m95158 Are there a lot of part-time jobs in your area that have retirement and benefits? I don't know how much a union could be expected to do for someone who chooses to live where there is not full-time work. I had lots of relatives in union jobs in multiple industries. A common thread was that they had to go to where the work was. The union could not put a coal mine or steel mill where the workers wanted one.

I hope everyone chooses to pay union dues. I think the contract requires the USPS to pay as much for health insurance for part timers as it pays for full-time employees. If we all stopped paying dues, what contract would we have?

I worked with a clerk who chose to work a few hours a week in a small office because she wanted the benefits for her family. She did that for 25 or more years. Then she moved to my office to get full-time hours for her high-three. That was a common practice years ago. I was so happy that the rules were changed to prevent people from getting the same retirement as those who worked and paid in so much more. There were clerks who worked 2 hours on Saturdays and when the PM took vacation. They made a lot per hour because of the health insurance that was paid for them. The Post Office couldn't get rid of them. Many people of retirement age would love a part time job that paid for most of their health care. Between them and the 40-hr PMs in all those little offices, there was a lot of waste.
Edited 03-22-2017 10:30 PM
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
09:43 PM CST(US)
/m95156 /m95157 Exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of.
PTF'n Long
09:10 PM CST(US)
/95150 old and tired.......I'm wondering the same thing. It seem as though Rolando is working for the "Union", and not the membership. As a seventeen year PTF, I have 17 reasons for never paying union dues and the last contract and now the current delayed contract only make this choice easier. The CCA MOU was probably needed. But it came with a great cost to many rural PTF Carriers. Then when NALC stopped posting transfer opportunities, matters were made only worse. How hard was it to attach a file to their homepage that USPS sent them every month?
I have a 15 year PTF behind me in a F/T plus Aux route office. Neither of us care to relocate or drive 60+ miles one way with a transfer to make Regular. I've had many opportunities in the past for extra hours in 3 rural offices with similar route situations. Last fall however, CCAs were being brought in from other offices, because as one PM informed me, "I can save a lot of money when I use CCAs rather than career carriers." I guess the MOU gave us preference in a transfer situation......but no seniority or pecking order for working hours outside of our office. :(
VicodinWizardPerson was signed in when posted
09:09 PM CST(US)
  /m95156 I have a bonehead mgr that still believes that, LMAO ! I didn't bother correcting him......
Edited 03-22-2017 09:10 PM
egarkPerson was signed in when posted
08:59 PM CST(US)
RIKSNY /m95155 - when I started years ago you could not convince the old timers that there was no rule of 85, that if age plus service added up to 85 you could retire.
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
07:44 PM CST(US)
/m95152 Wouldn't be the first time someone has gotten hold of a wrong idea.
SweatyrubberthumbPerson was signed in when posted
07:25 PM CST(US)
Old and tired - maybe Rolando is waiting for the new trump health care plan to go through? Paul Ryan introduced an amendment that will gouge medicare of funds, and he's gone silent as well by not answering any questions about it. It's been known for sometime he wanted to have medicare go private. Wait until they start pushing USPS to go private, that's one way to bust the union. Keep your eyes on ISSA. He tried to move again just in the last few weeks to go to 5 day but it failed .......... This time.
SweatyrubberthumbPerson was signed in when posted
06:56 PM CST(US)
Comfortablynumb - /m95149 that's what his original question was about. But management can be resistant. I would make sure union is on it and maybe even EAP could help.
old and tired
06:36 PM CST(US)
/m95102 riksny, for as much as anyone can trust what a boss says, he says his high 3 average is calculated based on "all earnings received from working 60 hour weeks at many oic assignments( ie higher level)" He recently returned again from his most recent oic assignment, and that's why the joke between the pm and super. He says all paid hours at higher level oic are considered part of his base pay. His claim, not mine, maybe a loophole. Maybe he is making it up, but to what end, I have no idea. Since our contract is going nowhere with Rolando, anything would be an improvement.
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