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Reactions to the TBTF Store (from TBTF for 1999-11-21)

Keith Dawson
11:10 PM ET (US)
**John** Try http://tbtf.com/store/ now, I've added a more subtle tee shirt design. (subtlety being a very relative concept here.)

**Mike** See above. Turns out I did have to create a separate "store" (in CafePress's terms) for the new design. Doing a special design for the Irregulars is a great idea; stay tuned. Might even be worth shipping trans-Atlantic.
Keith Dawson
11:00 PM ET (US)
**John** Enjoy the mug. yes, the lips are weird, aren't they? A touch ambiguous maybe. Wouldn't seem out of place on the back of some skinny guy walking his dog on Bleeker Street, Greenwich Village, at 7:00 on a Sunday morning. Here's what the FAQ [1] has to say on the subject:

What's with The Lips?
TBTF has a slightly whimsical cast, as you may have noticed; it's serious but not solemn. The logo characterizes exactly the tone I aim for. I've discovered that anyone who reacts to that logo with a raised eyebrow and a little chuckle is very likely a reader who will appreciate what I do.

For its first 100 issues the masthead of TBTF's email edition sported a quite cheesy Ascii-art rendition of a set of lips owing something to Mick Jagger. The email edition was redesigned beginning with TBTF for 1997-02-11.

**Spruce Moose** Thanks, missed the MS HTML. Also notice that the high-bit character broke Take It Offline's URL recognizer. And rightly so: that e-acute certainly has no business in a URL; should be the corresponding %-triple.

**Mike** Will look into this. As far as I can see now, each Cafepress store can only have one design of tee shirt, one each for the two mug sizes, and one for a mouse pad. The solution might be to open up new stores, named perhaps "tbtf-ascii" or "tbtf-old-style". I could link them all from coherent places within http://tbtf.com/store/ .
John Sidlo
02:50 PM ET (US)
a little shameless commerce, huh? I went for the coffee cup - the lips are just tooooo weeeiiiirrrd for the back of a tee shirt for this former midwesterner. I'm sure they've been documented sometime in the past (I remember the text version), but what is the reasoning behind them?
Spruce Moose
11:07 PM ET (US)
Heh. Did anyone notice the MS HTML in their signup agreement? They also list their URL as http://www.Cafépress.com/ (note the ISO-8859-2 extended character to make the é). (-:
Mike Hanafin
03:33 PM ET (US)
Good idea Keith!

Personally though, I'd prefer more discrete lips - on the breast pocket maybe...
Pity about the shipping-to-Europe costs - I'll have to live without the mug...

As the ranks of the Irregulars swell, maybe some [IRR] merchandise wouldn't be a bad idea?
Keith Dawson
02:25 PM ET (US)
Anybody getting a blank page upon hitting "Check out"? One reader reported this with Netscape 4.61 on Linux Mandrake 6.1, Intel. Cookies on and JavaScript enabled. Anyone else? I've had no problems at all (Netscape 4.7, MacOS 8).
Keith Dawson
02:23 PM ET (US)
**ronan** Hey thanks, great to hear from an unapologetic traditionalist.

**udhay** Yes, I waved the tee shirt at all the Irregulars gatherings. At the first one Anton Sherwood hit upon the idea of mounting it on a chair as a rallying sign.
Udhay Shankar N
12:56 PM ET (US)
The first time I heard about this was at an Irregulars dinner in Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago. I'm getting one of the t-shirts. I will be getting the ASCII one too, if it becomes available. Keith, did you take a sample with you to the other Irregular cons as well ?
11:51 AM ET (US)
I agree - the old ASCII lips would be much cooler. How about a straight reproduction of the header of the old email format. I still prefer the old format.
Keith Dawson
06:32 AM ET (US)
**christian** Almost certainly too much. I'll be speaking to the Cafe Press folks; there's probably no help for the cost of shipping atoms that far until/unless Cafe Press develops a European point-of-presence (manufacture and ship).

Following in Amazon's footsteps, they could open cafepress.co.uk and cafepress.de. You listening, guys?

**thom** oldschool shirt... tacky Ascii art lips... what an excellent idea.
christian taube
06:06 AM ET (US)
how much will it cost me to have the TBTF upper-body wear shipped across the atlantic to germany so that i can spread the word here :-)
thom stuart
09:04 PM ET (US)
well, come on, keith. where's the alternative, oldschool shirt with the alternative, oldschool ASCII art lips?

not that i was a subscriber back then, but gosh darnit, i've read the archives!
Keith Dawson
01:18 PM ET (US)
Are you amazed that TBTF would stoop so low as to offer upper-body wear for sale at a profit? Are you delighted at the prospect of advertising your favorite Net news source in a very personal manner? Do you wish the TBTF Store carried a greater variety of items and designs?

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