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07:17 PM ET (US)
Hello guys,

I am doing some research for educational purposes. In fact, I have just learned about Quick Topic when reading a few articles on technology integration and decided to check it out. I am looking at how Back Channeling tools like TodaysMeet (my focus) can be used for informal formative assessment. I want to compare it to Quick Topic. Where can I get more on the history of Quick Topic? I found 3 tutorials on You tube, which describe how to use it, but can you send me some more info? Tonight, if possible. Im in the middle of writing a paper on this subject. Here is my contact: cascadeabr@gmail.com

05:48 PM ET (US)
now this is a slow board ........ lol
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11:35 PM ET (US)
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John Mies
09:52 PM ET (US)
get that stupid post off the board
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Tim Chambers
11:55 AM ET (US)
Kashat, http://everything.slashdot.org is mentioned at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWikiClones along with many other systems.
07:51 AM ET (US)
Actually, this is very similar to http://everything.slashdot.org (which for some reason is not available when I write this).
Everything.slashdot.org is (was?) a little more structured - I don't think you could edit other peoples work, only offer alternatives. But the basic idea of a totally open, user-editable web of pages is there.
Ted Anderson
04:39 PM ET (US)
I gather that any name in a WikiWikiWeb page which follows the proper capitalization rules can become a live link. It seems to me that one of the problems in scaling this is that the namespace is effectively global. I am (loosely) following the IETF Working Group on Web Replication and Caching (WREC) which is presently working on a taxonomy document. It seems like this might be a tailor made application for WikiWikiWeb. But what if some one wanted to discuss a design pattern called ReverseProxy? For projects not as tightly bound to names of things, I'm not sure it would work as well.

In the TIO case, I like **Steve's** idea of linking names to posts. Certainly this is a step up from using "**" to highlight names. Since this would be within a topic or topic hierarchy, the namespace is automatically partitioned.

Along the same lines, you could implement the request to attach names to identities (home pages and email addresses) by having the names in the left column, link to an optional user profile page. To avoid an extra user interface step this link could point to a TIO topic, or to "post.cgi?action=newtopic" if there was no profile yet. Each topic hierarchy should have its own namespace of participants, one can always link to an existing profile from another topic tree if they have one and want to.

Still a further idea would be to allow each message to start with a keyword (perhaps capitalized like in WikiWikiWeb) and TIO could link those messages together within a topic hierarchy. I don't know whether this should work mostly between messages in a single topic or as a way to link related messages in related topics?

Steve Yost
02:02 PM ET (US)
WikiWikiWeb gives me an idea to help with the TIO problem of answering a particular message (i.e. threading): Mention a previous topic poster's name in your message, and the most recent message by that person is linked to that name.

Also, below each poster's name on the left could be a down-arrow glyph, linked to their previous message.

Reactions? Other ideas generated by WikiWikiWeb or the above?
Ward Cunningham
01:02 AM ET (US)
The first and largest WikiWikiWeb is devoted to software patterns and the experiences from which they form. There are now many clones on many topics. I suspect that the communities that surround each would consider it impolite to edit or author pages without trying to fit in to the topic, conventions and values of the site.
Jim Girard
02:24 PM ET (US)
I took a look at Wiki, and I've decided it's the first truly new concept I've seen on the Web. I think it's remarkable. It's actually a fairly simple concept, but it's so far off of the way most of us think about this kind of stuff that a lot of people are having trouble "getting it."

Essentially, it's just a set of pages containing text and links to the other pages. Each page has a title (they're calling it a "topic," which I think is misleading, because in fact there's absolutely no reason to assume that the text on the page will have anything to do with the title.

I think one of the things that's giving a lot of people a problem is that they assume this must be FOR something -- have some purpose -- similar to a newsgroup or list or whatever, and they can't quite see how it works that way. But I don't see that it has any purpose at all, except to exist. In a way, it's sort of like a miniature Internet, stripped of commercial and political and other practical concerns, with each user being in a position to modify it as he or she wishes. You can edit any page, which means you can completely delete everything on the page and replace it with something else or just leave it blank. And as Keith noted, it allows the creation of new pages -- or rather, of links to pages that don't yet exist -- on the fly. Type in TedAnderson, as he said, and what you get is that phrase followed by a question mark which is itself a URL to a blank page entitled "TedAnderson." You can then click on the question mark and go there and put text on the page. Or you can just leave it, and let somebody else to that. Once someone enters text on the page, the whole phrase becomes the URL pointing to that page. Anyone can click on it, go to that page, edit it, add to it, whatever. The new URLs, in fact, can be used as a sort of question. I type in, say, WikiWorld. If it comes up looking like a URL, I know that page already exists -- someone already dd that. If it comes up with the question mark, I can just leave it for someone else to, perhaps, explain what WikiWorld means. Or perhaps not. Maybe it will be a poem or an account of a football game, or anything.

Nothing like that is really happening, as near as I can tell, because those using it are trying to make it coherent. There is a lot of concern expressed about settling on the meanings of phrases, establishing rules, etc. But (as it stands, anyway) rules and meanings can't really be imposed on it. Anyone who logs on to it becomes, essentially, the God of that universe. It belongs to him or her, unrestricted by any rules or definitions.

It is, in fact, a chaotic environment, and whatever order arises will have to arise by a kind of unspoken consensus. In that way, I think it mirrors the Internet in a fundamental way that most people don't yet appreciate, because most are still assuming that industrial-era concepts wlll work here. Wiki, I would say, is a kind of lab experiment to see how people manage to establish some kind of workable order in this kind of chaos, where top-down rules are ultimately ineffectual and each individual has great power to redefine or even destroy what is already there.
Tim Chambers
04:22 AM ET (US)
I don't see very many entries in http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentVisitors. C'mon, guys! Join in!

<>< http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TimChambers
Clifford Adams
01:21 PM ET (US)
Another way the Wiki is different is that it *encourages* people to edit the words of other authors. This is often used in minor ways, like improving spelling or grammar, but sometimes a group of authors will collaborate to create documents of extreme quality.
Keith Dawson
11:53 AM ET (US)
Part of why I was so delighted with Wiki (we can't call it WWW, can we?) is that, without much in the way of instruction or guidance on the site, I stumbled onto the way to give yourself an identity in that community. You simply refer in a post to TedAnderson, an object which doesn't exist, and when your post goes live TedAnderson is a link to a new (your) preferences page.

To name a thing is to create it. Whoa. How cool is that?!
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