Rich, if you actually believe the shit you are talking, you should think that your rambling rant hurts your causes more than helps because people just think you are an idiot and therefor your statements are at best ignored, and at worse disbelieved.

Hey Brian,

Bullshit to everyone of your claims. I was in Colorado at the time. The NRA came in with major 'fuck you hippy weirdos who don't want their kids to die' mojo.

Major.

The NRA is filled with a bunch of lying weasels. Michael Moore cleaned their fucking clocks with Bowling and the best you can come up with is that the major evil president of the NRA said his major evil shit in a different order?

Bull Fucking Shit.

The whole 'Moore Lies' idea is just more of the fucking right wings Big Lie. The Right wingers are so close to Stalin it is amazing.

A bunch of evil bastards, Bush, Heston, Cheney, Richard Perle, etc. Evil criminal bastards, and they have suckers like you saying it is 'malicious' for Michael Moore to suggest that, hey, these guys are evil bastards who are on the take, and oh yeah, are in the midst of commiting treason against the United States of America.

Oh fuck you all. You won in 2000 by commiting crimes and just plain lying.

And you won. Our long national nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is over. Thank you GW Fuck Head Bush and your criminal cronies.

Bowling for Columbine was 'deceptive' only in that it didn't push as hard as it could have.

It didn't attack the 'great communicator' for setting up the climate that directly lead to Klebold and Harris murdering their classmates.

This whole 'respect the law, but only if it does what you want' bullshit started with Reagan and his attack on Washington.

I truly wish they had got Bush Senior. Fucking deviant deserved it. And maybe it would have kept asshole junior from violating every goddamn rule, law, and American Principle to engage in this wretched monstrosity.

The only fucking way that Bush Junior is going to keep from being strung up is by implementing a total police state. And he's going to have his chance, now that he kicked the fucking hornet's nest over.

Thanks a lot to Richard Perle et al. Thanks to fucking war criminals who cut their teeth on teaching Central American Thugs how to throw nuns out of helicopters. And no, this is not hyperbole...the thugs like Perle in charge of this insane foreign policy spent the 80's funning terrorist wars in Central America and Africa.

And they fucking got away with it!

Oliver North should have been lined up and shot, and the Right spun him as a hero?

Fuck the right.

"so i read the original heston speach that he edited, and honestly, he comes out sounding like more of a monster than he did in bowling for columbine. given that i think moore was being generous for the sake of brevity, there is at least a possibility he wasn't editing maliciously."

He gives the impression that part of a speech Heston gave a year after Columbine was given right afterward in Denver. Give me a break about it not being malicious. Plus he clearly deletes the sentence about the NRA cancelling all of its events to make it look like Heston is basically saying, "We don't give a fuck about the shootings here."

And then he outright lies about the timing of Heston's visit to Michigan after a school shooting here. Shooting takes place in Feb. 2000, Heston visits in October for a pro-gun election rally, but Moore narrates, "Just as he did after the Columbine shooting, Charlton Heston showed up in Flint, to have a big pro-gun rally [after the shooting]."

And this is a man claiming we live in fictitious times? Well, I guess he should know.

so i read the original heston speach that he edited, and honestly, he comes out sounding like more of a monster than he did in bowling for columbine. given that i think moore was being generous for the sake of brevity, there is at least a possibility he wasn't editing maliciously.

that said, i agree that the bin laden family thing is barking up the wrong tree, and a bit unkind to boot. i'm a fan of michael moore, but i wish sometimes he would fact check a little more vigorously. i wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a fairly throw-away part though.

You know, I was thinking that the spelling for 'Fahrenheit' looked a little off, but...

Anyway, to tie this to the last post of March 29th, do you think that if Moore names enough names and lies enough, uh, lies in his movie, some oil company will sue him for trademark violation?

"03-30-2003 05:18 PM ET (US)
IIRC, the reason he's calling it Fahrenheit 911 is that he got Mel Gibson to bankroll it and Gibson wants to do "Fahrenheit 451", the classic sci-fi story. So it's a publicity stunt."

That must be a *very* odd relationship. Maybe Moore should make Gibson's Jesus film. Then he could have Charlton Heston and the NRA shooting Jesus with a rifle instead of making the Jews responsible via the Crucifixion (as Gibson's movie was rumored to do).

What are the odds that this "documentary" will be any more accurate than "Bowling for Columbine"? For a list of the lies and distortions in that one, see:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Remember that Simpsons episode where the TV show edited Homer's appearance to make him sound like a deranged sex maniac? Moore did something like that to Charlton Heston.

IIRC, the reason he's calling it Fahrenheit 911 is that he got Mel Gibson to bankroll it and Gibson wants to do "Fahrenheit 451", the classic sci-fi story. So it's a publicity stunt.

As for the Bush family, I think the point is that Bush deals in oil which funds terrorism while Congress takes testimony that media piracy funds terrorism and a proper foreign policy that would reduce US involvement in the Middle East which would reduce terrorism is nowhere in evidence. The specifics of who in Saudi Arabia supports what and what their business ties are in the US is really incidental.

That said, Moore is beating a dead horse. The San Francisco left papers have been reporting Bush's connections to bin Laden for months and nobody cares...

There are three families in this country we could do without - the Bushes, the Kennedys and the Jacksons...okay, probably quite a few more but I don't have room...

There is no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore is the left's version of Anne Coulter.

I've always thought of him as the left's Rush Limbaugh, due to his habit of being extremely loose with the facts and then hiding behind a "but I'm just an entertainer" schtick when he gets called on it.

"According to Moore, the former president had a business relationship with Osama bin Laden's father, Mohammed bin Laden, a Saudi construction magnate who left $300 million to Osama bin Laden. It has been widely reported that bin Laden used the inheritance to finance global terrorism."

Note that there are a number of problems with this.

First, what the hell does Bush Sr.'s relationship with Mohammed bin Laden have to do with *anything*. The senior Bin Laden died when his son was only 13, at which time Osama inherited not $300 million, but rather closer to $80 million. That fortune did later apparenlty expand to close to $300 million, but how much Osama really had when he became the world's most famous terrorist is up for debate. In the mid-1990s the bin Laden family disowned him and assumed control of his share of his father's fortune. In addition, by his own account, Osama lost $150 million in his Sudanese ventures and, of course, much of his money was frozen or seized in various operations.

Second, as noted above the bin Laden family disowned Osama in the 1990s and he was formally exiled from SA. Apparently we're not supposed to hate all Muslims, but it's okay to assume that all the bin Ladens are no good, dirty terrorists!

There is no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore is the left's version of Anne Coulter. How he ever won a "documentary" Oscar is beyond me.

I wonder if Moore will splice together different lines from Bush speeches and try to pass them off as a single speech, as he did with Charlton Heston. Why the Pentagon hasn't hired this master propagandist really escapes me -- he'd be perfect for any disinfo. ops.

Yeah, I used to like Michael Moore, 'til I started realizing what a lying fuck he is. His dissembling does nothing to help the liberal viewpoint.

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html

Edited by author 03-30-2003 12:53 PM
Didn't the Bin Ladens of Saudi Arabia disown Osama? If that's the case, why tar Bush or anyone for associating with them? Isn't that like condemning someone for going bowling with the Dahmers or something?

After all, they don't funnel money to OBL, nor do they support what he has done, but condemn him. What's the issue?

I'm as liberal as they come, but as the family has nothing to do with Osama, other than stuff his bank account when he was a gigolo of sorts, I don't get the "murkiness" of the relationship. It wasn't murky. It was pretty straight-forward.

From the article "He accused the Bush administration of using a tragic event to push its agenda."

And in other news, it was noted that mammels use organs called lungs to oxygenate their blood.