Richard Steven Hack  09-09-2003
06:15 PM ET (US)
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Koppel must have been on drugs. Comments like that from somebody who basically owes his living to the Establishment are entirely out of character.
As for the morons who don't comprehend how the Patriot Act (and it's followup Act) violates the Constitution, there is no point in even discussing it.
Just as a minor example, there are those who now want to apply the provisions of the act which are supposedly solely against terrorism against drug dealers, on the excuse that some undetermined amount of money somewhere in the drug business goes to "terrorists". (Would that be the CIA guys running heroin from Afghanistan?) Next, of course, the same provisions will be used against drug USERS, just as the RICO act was embraced and extended to include drug users as opposed to actual "racketeers" (racketeers - would that include Cheney and Halliburton?). Then the same provisions will be used against jay walkers.
The same applies to the "enemy combatant" nonsense. Who cares if that is in the Patriot Act or not? It comes from the same people and will be embraced and extended by the same people against any and all US citizens who do something they don't like.
And if you can't see that, you are a fucking ignorant moron.
Have a nice day, morons.
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Red Headed Ba*d 09-09-2003
09:57 AM ET (US)
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"That's it! John Ashcroft is KEYSER SOZE!"
Well, he's one of the usual suspects, at least. <grin> But the smart money's on Cheney. I bet he's just faking that bad heart.
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aha 09-09-2003
02:11 AM ET (US)
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Religion's greatest trick is convincing the world that the Devil's greatest trick is convincing the world that he doesn't exist, thereby bringing him into existence.
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nixomatos 09-08-2003
06:13 PM ET (US)
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That's it! John Ashcroft is KEYSER SOZE!
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hornsofthedevil 09-08-2003
03:36 PM ET (US)
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The Devil's greatest trick is convincing the world he does not exist.
Dum Dum DUMMM!!!
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Red Headed Ba*d 09-08-2003
01:47 PM ET (US)
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"...something tells me librarians, doctors, etc are not allowed to disclose forced disclosures..."
The Devil's greatest trick is convincing the world he does not exist.
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chico haas 09-08-2003
10:52 AM ET (US)
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Warnings from the ACLU on this subject are a bit like quoting Fox News on the success of the Iraq operation. I was surprised when I read the Patriot Act to discover it's mostly about bypassing established procedure in order to follow suspected terrorist funding. Money trails. The parts about records-surrendering and invasion of privacy are disturbing. Does anyone know how many disclosures of private records actually have been forced from librarians, doctors, etc? There must be a documented list somewhere. Edit: On second thought, something tells me librarians, doctors, etc are not allowed to disclose forced disclosures. Answered my own question. Edited 09-08-2003 11:02 AM
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hornsofthedevil 09-08-2003
12:42 AM ET (US)
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You're Islamic too? (!!)
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mrbob 09-07-2003
10:44 PM ET (US)
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I have not laughed so hard in a long time, I thank you horns of the devil.
But if you can not figure out Rashomon's "menacing message", then you'll be the second against the wall.
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bshock 09-07-2003
10:22 PM ET (US)
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As a programmer, I can only view the Justice Department as Bad Code being pushed by a Pointy-Haired Manager. You don't really fix Bad Code by writing more code on top of it (regardless of what Microsoft claims ;-).
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hornsofthedevil 09-07-2003
06:27 PM ET (US)
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and what exactly does Rashoman mean by such a cryptic menacing message?
what "revolution" is he talking about? Who knows because he is too much of a coward to tell us. Its a shame people like him should soil a great discussion baord with idle threats.
pardon me, but I can only assume he's Islamic....
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Rashomon 09-07-2003
03:44 PM ET (US)
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paul denton: come the revolution, you'll be the first against the wall.
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veejay 09-07-2003
02:48 AM ET (US)
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Here's what I believe is the most prominent one, the most ready for public-space sound-bytes. I clicked it from an ACLU white-paper - been to a library lately, mine hand out little flyers? (edit - actually, they just post memos warning of this possibility) http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12263&c=206One of the most significant provisions of the Patriot Act makes it far easier for the authorities to gain access to records of citizens' activities being held by a third party. At a time when computerization is leading to the creation of more and more such records, Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to force anyone at all - including doctors, libraries, bookstores, universities, and Internet service providers - to turn over records on their clients or customers. Edited 09-07-2003 02:55 AM
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Paul Denton 09-07-2003
12:52 AM ET (US)
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Would someone care to point out the exact provisions of the Patriot Act that make it such a dread and fearsome abnegation of rights? As the spokeswoman for Justice Koppel was interviewing pointed out, the most hyped fearmongering/Ashcroft-loathing/ideological masturbation is over issues not at all part of the Patriot Act itself. If you want to criticize handling of enemy combatants, fine. But don't claim that there's a secret provision in the Patriot Act that allows it.
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John Bomberger 09-06-2003
10:33 PM ET (US)
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I want to say something cogent and interesting, but all I can think of is: "Amen! Preach on, Brother Ted!"
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