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Eagle Scout to be booted for athiesm

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Carlos Novena
10-22-2006
02:42 PM ET (US)
My son is an Eagle Scut, Roman Catholic, now attending school at a catolic university on a partial scholarship. He is kind, generous, and open-minded. Despite the issue of the Scouts being anti-atheist, I am sure that he would defend a secular humanist, or an atheist inscouting. That's what we taught him. He believes in a woaman's right to choose (which briefly had him in some trouble with the troop)and ina persons right to have their own sexuality. My cousin, a fine man and teacher of college courses, is gay. He and his partner have been together longer than my wife and I have been married. They have stayed at our house, and shared the room. None of the Scoutmasters or assistants (including myself) are deviants of any kind (except for the insurance salesmen and the Wannabe financial advisors).

The intent of scouting in general is a good thing. The Boy Scouts of America, much as our own Catholic Church, is hidebound and archaic. Yeah, I know I should leaave, but I keep hoping for some change, some "miracle" that would allow our desires to be reflected in our faith. Hey, people keep buying lottery tickets!
Edited 10-22-2006 02:42 PM
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JimCanukPerson was signed in when posted
10-30-2002
07:45 PM ET (US)
Judging by the number of deviate scoutmasters ,they may be doing him a favor,or ruining his love life.
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jleaderPerson was signed in when posted
10-30-2002
01:50 PM ET (US)
Pat, it was national, here's a summary I found from Aramony's
(UWA CEO) and his co-defendant Thomas Merlo's (UWA CFO) most recent appeal of their sentence (at http://www.law.emory.edu/4circuit/jan99/974363.p.html):

Aramony was the chief executive officer of the United Way of America (UWA) from 1970 until his termination in March 1992. UWA is "a nonprofit organization that acts as a service organization for local United Way organizations located throughout the United States." Merlo served as UWA's chief financial officer from January 1990 until his termination in March 1992.

In their leadership positions, both men improperly used UWA money for personal gain. For example, Aramony charged personal chauffeuring expenses to UWA and purchased a condominium in Florida for his personal use with UWA funds, and Merlo used his position at UWA to personally obtain $120,000 in proceeds of an annuity belonging to UWA. Merlo also used his position at UWA to aid Aramony in his various frauds on UWA, many of which served to further Aramony's relationships with various women.
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Pat YorkPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
08:40 PM ET (US)
Hmm, is that a S.F. United Way theft or a national one?

I give a token $10. so that my work has 100% compliance with United Way, but I save my real giving to do directly. I just don't see why a middle man (middle agency?) should siphon off 15% to cover their own expenses before they give the money to the organization I picked.
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Mark FrauenfelderPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
07:23 PM ET (US)
Now that Bill Aramony has been out of prison for a six months or so, I wonder if he's got himself a new teen age mistress?

I guess it depends on how much of the money he embezzled from the United Way he's still got squirreled away.
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chico haasPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
06:20 PM ET (US)
Gee, I haven't given money to the United Way since their leadership went to prison for stealing it.
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pbxPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
05:43 PM ET (US)
Agree with Patrick wrt private orgs setting their own rules. The Scout Oath that this kid has been reciting since before he was a Tenderfoot says, "...I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country..." Until they change that it's tough to argue you can be an atheist Eagle Scout.
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Patrick BerryPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
02:47 PM ET (US)
I know at least a couple of Eagle Scouts who told the Scouts what they wanted to hear just so they could finish. I'll take the 5th on my own experience getting my Eagle rank. They're both good guys. I'm a bit torn, since the Scouts are a private organization but also serve an important public service.

Every troop is different. Some ignore the central office on the rules they don't agree with. But when it comes down to the final Eagle step you are basically dealing with the local office and not your own troop. That's when you have to start dealing with the "official stance" on the big issues.

But hey, it's their ranking system...they get to pick the rules. If you want the rank you have to play by their rules, or at least pretent to play by the rules. Yes, I know that by pretending to play by the rules you are in effect lying and there by breaking the rules and technically aren't deserving of the rank.

"Sometimes you just say 'big deal.'" -- Jed Bartlet on Red Mass and separation of Church and State
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Pat YorkPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
02:30 PM ET (US)
Eli, you slide smoothly from scout to instructor around 18/19.

They are kicking out guys who speak out about the rights of gays as well, whether they're gay or straight.

When you give your United Way money, be sure to note on the form that you do NOT want your money to go to the Boy Scouts. The kids and leaders are great. The central office staff are pretty right wing.
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Eli the BeardedPerson was signed in when posted
10-29-2002
02:11 PM ET (US)
I thought they kicked you out at 18 anyway?

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