shamsea  06-04-2002
12:59 PM ET (US)
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I find the graphical representation very different and helpful. Search engines are for showing data. But what is missing is the tools for proccesing information. Kartoo is a step toward that. Edited 06-04-2002 01:00 PM
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xano 05-13-2002
06:26 AM ET (US)
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I also think that kartoo is really a pretty good tool. The problem is that many people don't even try to find how it really works...it's hard to be different...but thank you kartoo!!!!
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MrHappy 05-12-2002
01:30 AM ET (US)
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It didn't show me anything of use, but it did show me something of interest: a serial number to my software is being pirated here: pirate listCool. Edited 05-12-2002 01:30 AM
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jlg 05-11-2002
08:25 PM ET (US)
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I've never used kartoo before, but I have to say I think it's pretty good. I'm not well known, but I search on the name of a colleague of mine who is, and I immediately got a very accurate graphical representation of sites where he is very present and talked-about. My conclusion is that it's not a good tool for doing everyday searches, but it does work well as a jumping-off point for research on a person or a subject that you know little about.
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Erik V. Olson 05-11-2002
02:51 PM ET (US)
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Don't get me wrong -- 2D and 3D graphical representations have important uses. The Big Dig in Boston would have been orders of magnitude harder, if not impossible, if it weren't for the 3D representation of the streets and underworks of Boston.
The trouble comes when you don't get a proper answer to "why are we doing this." People would think that 3D would be the way to do air traffic control (it's a 3D problem, after all.) Every attempt at 3D, though, has been decried by actual controllers -- you spend to much time doing rotates and such, trying to grasp the airspace, while a 2D representation, with altitude flags (and a little help from software to warn you about close approaches) works very well indeed.)
First rule of *any* software project (extended from Bruce Schneier's rules of cryptosystems.) "What Problem Are You Trying To Solve." Putting in anything -- a mail reader, a cool GUI, whatnot, is stupid -- unless it's part of the solution you are trying to create. Developers forget this *constantly.*
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kenny 05-11-2002
02:04 PM ET (US)
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links2go used to do something like that, and it was pretty cool, but they don't anymore :(
oh, btw, watch out for recommind!
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Alex Steffen 05-11-2002
01:27 PM ET (US)
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This was the first time I'd ever bothered to use kartoo, and, well, I concur - it sucked. I think Erik's point is spot-on. These visualizations added nothing on the side of comprehensibility, and undercut clarity. And they're not even pretty to look at.
I wonder what Tufte would say?
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Anton Sherwood 05-11-2002
05:15 AM ET (US)
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It appears to me that the algo for `nearness' is crap: I managed to get it to show arcs between sites, and the arcs are labelled with keywords - and apparently two sites are related because both use the word `encourage' or `Anderson'!
Maybe the structure gets more meaningful with user interaction: apparently you can strengthen or weaken any labelled bond.
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Erik V. Olson 05-11-2002
01:25 AM ET (US)
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They suck, because they're using the wrong visualzation for the problem. Search engines don't exists to tell us number and strengths of connections between websites. Search engines exist to find data -- and the *list*, not the graph, is the best way to present this data.
Remember back a ways when someone had the 3D desktop link on BB? Same issue -- wrong visualzation for the problem.
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Klint 05-10-2002
10:21 PM ET (US)
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I can't make any sense out of Kartoo's search results, or any other search engine visualizer, either. I still haven't figured out the *point* of visualizing search engine data.
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