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Jock RidleyPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2002
04:44 PM ET (US)
ugh, re: composition -- what about the fact that this story has got to run 30-40 pages + the entire thing could have really been told in ... 15-20?
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Jock RidleyPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2002
04:42 PM ET (US)
heh .. dutch .. check out his short story collection (i think it's called "toast") on amazon.com ... he reviewed the book himself + gave it 4/5 stars (?!?!?!?).

You're right about the construction. Although I do think that an intelligent writer could do the same thing. He so obviously rips off William Gibson from the very first paragraph.

It took me several hours to finish "Lobsters", off an on. God, what a terrible story. Especially that one BDSM/dominatrix scene. Jesus. Ugh.

I don't have the energy/will to go read his other stuff.

It still really gets up my nose that this "novellette" got nominated for a Hugo award. Although, I guess the Hugos really *are* the people's choice award of SF/Fantasy.
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DutchPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2002
02:47 PM ET (US)
Okay, I'm a reactionary drunken idiot/madman. *snicker* Sorry.

I do wish this guy was better, though. At least you can tell his composition's advanced over the past ten years. I really can see how some people would like this--people exactly like him.
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DutchPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2002
02:43 PM ET (US)
Jock Ridley: I'm really glad you commented, because I hadn't been to the author's site yet. He has a LOT of short stories online, going back to the 80s, even an unpublished novel if you ask him for the password.

As much as I hated "Lobsters"--I thought his composition was advanced, beyond what some college kid making shit up could put together. That's a necessary skill, and I think it's what makes Steven King and William Gibson the rich bastards they are today. Someone who's reached that level can string together a bunch of crap and it will be readable/publishable. Both those guys' last two (at least!) novels have been soap opera crap, but they're still readable.

So, I read a bunch of his other stories. Tried to, anyway. They were just annoyingly bad. Like, lame. The only one I thought was even readable fell apart by the third page. It was about a kid's parents buying him a God to replace his dead dog. Really imaginative, I thought, but then it just went God-awful all of a sudden. Can't just leave it at that, he has to explain all about the God Market, and this "futuristic" society.

This guy just has a really grating style. Look at his website, for God's sake! It's almost as if he has no natural instinct for creativity.

Note: I'm only posting this because my original comment was deleted. If you don't want free discussion on your site, DON'T HAVE A FORUM.
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BryantPerson was signed in when posted
05-16-2002
08:19 PM ET (US)
Were these comments posted because they so eloquently make the literary statement that weblog discussion boards are dead?
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Jock RidleyPerson was signed in when posted
05-16-2002
06:51 PM ET (US)
jeezus, Dutch. Here I thought, after viewing the author's weblog + forums, I was the only person who thought this story was a cheap, watered down version of William Gibson + Neal Stephenson.

Ugh. Overworked, academic sentences. No real characters. Painfully stilted dialogue. Wince inducing prose ("Despite being engaged for two years, he and Pamela never had intromissive intercourse." "Just then a bandwidth load as heavy as a pregnant elephant sits down on Manfred’s head and sends clumps of humongous pixellation flickering across his sensorium ..." "if she’s finally decided to conscript his gametes into the war against impending population crash, he’ll find it hard to fight back."). God, the fact that the character has a name like Manfred Macx + it's not intended to be funny/ironic.

It's also painfully obvious that the author inserted himself into the story (and not in a Miller-Bukowski-Vonnegut-Kerouac sort of way) and is living out some kind of uber-geek fantasy. Which is fine, but don't ever show it to anybody and for Christ's sake don't publish it.

It occurred to me, too, that this might be a parody/satire, but somehow, I just don't think it is.

How the hell did this get nominated for a Hugo award?

The scariest part is that "Lobsters" is part of a series .. which is now up to part 5.
Edited 05-16-2002 07:09 PM
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MCPerson was signed in when posted
05-16-2002
05:36 PM ET (US)
Mooooo....Mooooo.....

I haven't read it yet.
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DutchPerson was signed in when posted
05-16-2002
03:48 AM ET (US)
Was this nominated because it so eloquently makes the literary statement that cyberpunk is dead?

At first I thought it was just because it uses way too many $.50 words and the geek-hero is a blogger's wet dream (21st Century Philosopher King?).

Then--quickly after--I saw it as a cheap parody with some big logic gaps and a need for proofreading. Halfway through--painful amount of time for such a long story--I appreciated the second mention of the lobsters.

Then--BLAMO!--HUGE blocks of painful, unreadable dialogue. This is a funny kind of parody, the kind that isn't funny. This is just so bad, I don't even think I could go into detail without a large number of people disliking me. Let's just say it's not my type of--what would you call this--story, writing, prose, fiction? Monstrosity, yes, that's it.

This is what happens when cultures collide--someone ends up reading something horrible and gaping slack-jawed at the people who love it. Even if this is a cultural thing, though, I ask myself, _Isn't every science fiction fan online now, making this namby-pamby re-hash of "cyber-memes" irrelevent?_
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