Cory Doctorow
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08-21-2002 10:39 AM ET (US)
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Gordon: 419 mail is unsolicited and sent to multiple people unrelated to the sender. Thus, it can't use the SWE headers. So whereas before, no one person had enough economic incentive to go after 419ers, if they start unauthorized use of Habeas headers, Habeas has an incentive to hunt them and seek judgements.
Me: Huh? How is Habeas going to track down and collect judgements on scam artists in Nigeria? Did I miss the part of the Habeas proposal where they will restore the rule of law to broken-down kleptocracies so that they can persecute malefactors there?
Gordon: If their mark comes to mean nothing useful, because they drift from their initial promises, fail to effectively enforce its use, whatever -- then you just stop using it as a passthrough expeditor. You're never at the mercy of their changing org; use their mark as a passthrough aid if it's helpful, ignore it if not. There's only an upside, no downside, for mail recipients.
Me: If this was a reasonable assumption, Craig Shergold would have never gotten another postcard after his cancer was cured.
Gordon: Not really; it's not a case-by-case judgement call. They have a very compact, simple description of "Habeas Compliant Mail" which qualifies for use the SWE headers. Any mailing list which requires an explicit, address-verifying subscription confirmation step qualifies.
Me: Just like MAPS had a strong definition of what constituted spam, which definition was torqued and deformed to cover MAPS political opponents.
Gordon: You'll never *need* to use them on any list, large or small.
Me: Only lists where you think it's important that the recipients actually receive it.
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