GO, NKC GIRL!!! Right on.

/m5391 excellent point for members to remain and others to join. But must admit never heard of such a 50% clause. Can you provide reference?

Edited by author 07-03-2009 12:51 PM

nkc girl /m5391 Great post!

Indeed a great post nkc girl. I can't imagine what it would be like w/o unions. I am a steward and I have a good rep as one. Bring it to me and I will fight with all I have. I did fight years ago for a employee that had a letter of removal. He lost his job and we knew he didn't have a chance at all. Step 2 was the PM :(. It was a battle and we won. Needless to say he was fired after about 6 months. Attendance. Management would love for crafts to be split amongst each other. Hang in ther folks.

thank you 54 :-).

Sorry gal but you could not be more wrong.. Steward and Treasurer for 33 years and THE ONLY REASON THAT CONGRESS ALLOWED THE USPS TO HAVE UNIONS IS IF NO ONE WAS REQUIRED TO JOIN. CLOSED SHOPS AND CLOSED SHOP STATES LIKE TEXAS AND FLORIDA ARE STILL REAL. A PRECENTAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. IF ONLY 1 PERSON IS PAYING DUES THE APWU MUST STILL REPRESENT ALL EMPLOYEES THE SAME..SORRY FOR THE BAD NEWS BUT I DONT LIKE PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR OPONIONS WHEN YOU STATE FACTS.

we'll see about that! hopefully you're not a scab trying to disillusion the masses... i'm going to find out the truth and will post what i find out on this forum.

nkc girl -- can you provide documentation for that 50% rule?

Basically I copied and pasted this information from our local Presidents Blog... I was as shocked as most of you when I read this information.

http://gkcmal.blog.com/

nycgirl: Great to see this! It should be sent to each and every scab every year.

Sorry nkc, however much I support unions, I don't see the reference material providing by your locals President blog to be anything but misleading.
And whoever "NKC Girl..." is they provided wrong information.
Florida is an open shop state. We have 22 or 23 in the nation.
I've worked in Florida as a union member (not APWU) and benefited greatly from the unions work.
And technically there is no such thing as a closed shop state (I think it was Taft-Hartly that fixed that) but each state has their ways of handling unions.
Personally I have a problem with those that attempt to scare tactic someone in to membership or not to be a member.
(not that you were doing so nkc, but the information is incorrect, but hey stirred some responses)

Edited by author 07-04-2009 01:03 PM
People that are anti-union should not have to be in a union. They should be put in a seperate catagory, and paid as the employer sees fit. I'm sure these people know there worth much more than you or I. Better yet go work some place else. The last help wanted sign I saw was: $8.00/ hr to start, must work/nights/weekends. But hey look at the bright side; you won't have to be bothered by those pesky unions!

/m5403 I've seen some strange tactics occur in which it is the company that strongly promotes the all for one attitude. My past union local not only negotiated for its members and those that were non-members under specified union crafts but also had to add into the mix, personnel that were not even in craft positions at all.
When we negotiated vacation, sick leave, bonuses, what have you . . . there was always a company rep stating how that wouldn't be fair to those not under union positions.
Biggest difference I saw between the two and still remains in my eyes is job security and job description.

nkc girl /m5400 -- a blog?!? Blogs are worthless as a reference. I have a good idea: go read the NLRA itself. I will give you a hint: those "quotes" in the blog as to what the NLRA says are totally 100% different than what it actually says in those sections. And I can't find those sections in the blog anywhere in the law. Totally bogus.

Quotes may be bogus. One member could be in union and union would have to represent all workers.

But if existing unions had that little support, someone could file a petition to be the union. If they present 30% or more signed cards, an election would follow. If a new union gets 50% of the votes, they are now the union. And this is as it is now, without 'card check'.

New union could be Mgt backed. Platform: 10% raise asap. But contract will be changed. No more Art 6,12,30, craft Articles. Matter of fact, no wording Mgt doesn't like and veto power of anything they don't want.

All it would take is enough apathy to today's unions that enough would sign cards to call that election.

X-stew /m5406 -- that is not exactly correct. You can't file to be the new union if there is already an existing, certified union. It takes two votes. First, the existing union must be decertified. That takes a petition by 30% of the membership and then a majority vote. Then, when there is no union, another union can then try to get certified.