Nice to meet you too. And I am registered, this sight just doesn't distinguish.

Remember the people who always complained "we need more people," wouldn't work overtime, but grieved everytime they were bypassed, never broke a sweat, never asked you about YOU or your FAMILY, only talked about "How wonderful they were," management did this or didn't do that, it was never, ever, anything that they personally did or did not do or thought or didn't think, and NOW, they found the internet!
You simply cannot get away.
These people find differences rather than similarities, faults rather than promises and hope.
I have been an optimist all my life based on my own willingness to care. I have HOPE because I work for it. Nobody hands it out to me and I am not waiting for any. I am a seeker. I have always been. I'm the sane man who walks into a room full of crazies. Whos then, is the
crazy" one?
You simply have to allow the wannabee experts enough leash to hang themselves and have the patience to realize the inevitability. They'll get there and "by God," they'll be "first in line!"
Unfortunately, has anyone ever seen a safe way to "lift properly" 80,000 times in a postal career? I haven't and neither has anyone else, yet the post office and nearly every other large employee populated enterprise, preaqches this "TACIT" Gospel about safety.
Even concert musicians get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome after using their hands for 30 years. Injuries go with the territory and NOTHING will improve this fact, not even a "postal disclaimer."
Show me a retired postal employee and I will show you someone with arthritis and rheumatism, to go along with their aching backs, sore knees, broken hips, bad feet, and hearing loss. Hopefully, I will also be able to show you people that are going to make it under the worst possible conditions, both emotionally and physically, because they made a career out of TOLERANCE. Without tolerance, nobody EVER makes it to retirement in the post office.
I've more than stated my case but I could write many books on the subject because I am anosy SOB, curious and interested in damn near everything. I'm just like my dad was and he managed to name five, never before named, catalogued, and identified Marine Invertebrates, and they reside in Washington, D.C., in the Smithsonian Institution. Maybe when I die, they will mount me on the wall nest to the Blue Whale in the lobby of one of the buildings where the Museum resides. You can bet your ass I'll have a shit-eating grin oon my face!

Respectfully,

Dave Kirtley

p.s. Daddy named these Sabellariids after his sisters! Check it out if you're interested in Marine Zoology. David W. Kirtley PHd.( an Oklahoma boy who went to Florida State for his Graduate Degrees, after spending 30 years in the Oilfields as a Petroleum Geologist.)

Well, kiss my griiits! We have a damned perfect specimen in our midst!

/m5806.................what is "Alice"?

...Hmmm...something that's hard to get rid of....You made your bed....

Wait...this is my fight..no one but me gets the credit. Dirty Deeds will be exposed.

"You simply have to allow the wannabee experts enough leash to hang themselves and have the patience to realize the inevitability. They'll get there and "by God," they'll be "first in line!"

You are soo transparent. You make a statement like this that does not connect in anyway in what you are trying to say. You attack others on this web and guise it with your "expertise" statements. It's no wonder your forum doesn't get any bites. The people sense integrity.

Thank you for your qualified assessment of a simple post. Try not to read anything into because you might miss my attempt to help people who can use some.
Your criticism could be put to better use but I believe that your style won't allow it.
I'm not rying to vent, win contests, or anything else. I just would like to know which people really give a hoot and who are simply frustrated with life as you appear to be to me.
I have many years of personal experience doing many things, some I even did well, but I am more than willing to share my experience in any area that could possibly help someone else.
By what you post, you are predictable and can be dealt with , just like myself, with a simple keystroke.

Dave Kirtley

Ignore them Dave. I thought it pretty obvious you are a good heart from your last post on the EEO forum. Solid stuff there. Thinking all should read and heed it.

Yeah Dave has the capability to give great advise but he most often does it with "darts" to others who are trying to help as well.

Thank You. but DirtyDart has a valid point. I need only deal directly with the issues oresented and keep any other stuff out of my posts. Lacking humility, while seeking it , presents its own challenges.
I will simply have to learn how to demonstrate my true intent better.

Dave Kirtley

Edited by author 11-23-2009 03:16 PM
Dear sirs,

Please provide the separate message boards specifically for 1. NALC 2.Postal carriers
3. NRLCA 4. Postal Clerks union 5. Mailhandlers union.

Thanks

DK... you are the biggest egotist on the planet .... please, pat yourself on the back as often as possible... if I knew you better, and could spend some time with you, I could promise you, on that assumption, that I would NOT want to spend another nano-second listening to your bullshit...

I think we should just do the best we can at work. If it is not good enough for the supervisors, that's okay, too. Just say we'll try the whole thing all over again the next day. Be like water - flow around all day.

Looking back on 27 years as a postal clerk and not thinking for a moment I have all the answers but I do have some observations about the clerks I have worked with during that time.

It was an honor to work with many. They appreciated their job. Worked with some sense of urgency. Wanted it done right. Realized that sloughing off puts extra burden on co-workers. Dependable. Honest. Worked as well when no supervisors were around as when they were.

Some you simply had to wonder how they ever got hired in the first place. No work ethic at all. Complain about everything. Seemingly abuse their sick leave. Be tardy on regular basis. Use the union to bail them out of misconduct. Take excessive breaks. Poor team player.

And then you had those who could do a good job IF they had direct supervision.

I probably oversimplify it to say in the postal work force "a third will work and do their job regardless of supervision or lack of it; another third will do poor work regardless of anything; and the final third will work if they have supervision".

As relates to Postmasters and Supervisors I have seen the Good Bad and Ugly. At the AO level today they are micro-managed from District Level and
are at their mercy. It is heavily political to move up or to get a lateral favorable assignment. More than once I have seen a poor performer be shielded and covered for----you can guess some of the reasons.

Unions---APWU. Works for us right? Anyone know what the compensation packages are for our leaders in the Union? In my 27 years I have never seen a hint. They have certainly done some good things for us. But not all things done were good.

So I have walked away (effective Oct 31 09) with many fond memories. Good luck to those who have the task of carrying on.

Newly Retired, I pretty much agree with everything you said. I left last year after 40yrs civil service, 34 as a PO clerk. I honestly think that some of the mentally ill employee's that I worked with were even worse than the supervisors. I won't go into the details, but some of the things that my fellow " brother and sister" postal employee's would do to you was far worse than management. But I have to let it go because these people are really sick, and I don't have to see them anymore, and they have to live with their poor pathetic selves.