FedUp, I'll put MY education and background against yours anyday... and let's see who is ignorant. Your response is a common one among liberals. I went to work for the USPS because I enjoy the work. I like customer service. It's the union and management I despise. I get very angry when I hear inept politicians and media talk about how bad the postal service is run, because it's not the heart of the postal service... it's not the carriers. It's the managers and union. They should run for public office, like congress, and let us do our job. I'm from Detroit, and if you want to see what a union can do to a city, go visit Detroit. It's dying.

Fedup I guess your attitude towards your fellow carrier is reflective of the Union's since you are an officer for the Union? Maybe It's why we all feel so screwed! You sound like management who thinks we should pay them for being allowed to work at the PO and screw how much we abuse and misuse you becasue you have a job. We are thinking of ourselves because no one else will. Our job is what dictates our lifestyle and if we don't know where we stand for the future and wether the Union will protect us then of course we are going to worry. How can we not think about ourselves (families)? Members feel let down because the Union agreed to this MIRIAP which set the stage for the excessing and all of the crap that came with it. They are crying for help. THEIR UNION who is supposed to help them! The additions to the routes are making many of them overburdoned and so many are stressed. This making PTF's regulars to come into new offices over their own hardworking PTF's says screw loyalty and fairness. Where is this a part of the MIRIAP? It's taking advantage of the situation to hook up the bosses or stewards nephew in law? If the Union won't help with something like that which seems absolutely wrong and tells PTF's that they have NO rights then WTF? Management is allowed to hook up their buddies while the PTF's have to watch, grin and bear it? Switch your "uneducated, ignorant and useless comments to management which they deserve and understand the plight of your fellow carrier. Get off of your perch and look at things from the point of view where you are not protected because you are a steward. You'd be just as worried. By the way when is the next shop steward election? Do your carriers in your office know what you think of them?

I thank the union every day for my good paying job cause I'm a lazy carrier too. NOT! Fedup you lazy BUM you wouldn't make on the outside.
You ought to be very thankful,because in the future guys like you wont be around in the p.o.

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/m30577 "in my thirty one plus years I never submitted a 3996" ! You aren't right, that's nothing to be proud of!! .You should submit 3996 every time the mail volume is high enough to go over 8 hrs or have a late final etc...

forever ptf /m30585 My back, knees, and legs are in excellent shape. And yourself? And I have a 100% walking route. And I love it. Great exercise.

MrMailman1207 /m30578 Useless union? Oh really? At least when you're excessed, you still get to keep your good paying job. With a pink slip, you don't. I may not have to worry about being excessed, because I'm a union steward, but look what I have to put up with. Uneducated, ignorant, self centered, it's all about me, it's all the union's fault, type carriers, like you. When it's time for everybody to turn in their 3996 on Monday, why don't you just go ahead and turn in your Postal I.D., and let somebody else replace you. I'm sure you can find other work out there like this. With this type of pay and benefits.

yeah
fedup be glad you are getting the hours .There are alot of good carriers who would love to have those hours and be in the spot you are in.We want a chance of a postal career without all this"you'll never get full time" crap.Get down on your hands and knees and thank the good lord that you have a route.No wonder you can stick up for the union.How are your knees by the way? your back? your legs?

just gone /m30577 That was then. This is now. "Picking up the pace" aka "running your route" in today's world will just get you an addition to your route come next MIARAP. It's a different world we work in today. I know what you mean though. "Back then," (regardless of what company you worked for), on a busy or heavy day, or short-staffed day, people used to step up to the plate and give it an extra effort. But when you do stuff like that in today's toxic work environment, management expects you to do that every single day, and then they punish you for doing a good job. And they get promoted for doing a bad job. Today's Corporate America.

I talked to my union rep and he told me that NOBODY is getting hired to a ptf or regular.I am in northeast.Where are all of you? Because several people on here are saying that they are making ptfs regular and then excessing them in.Isn't that discrimination against the ptfs already in that office? Can't there be a lawsuit filed here?I have to wonder why they would do that.

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frustrated /m30574 I don't complain that my route is overburden. I laugh all the way to the bank. And whenever the T-6 or PTF does the route, they go over eight hours, too. So, you were saying? You're the type, if that day ever did come, and you became regular, you'd just find something else to b*tch and moan about. And blame the union for it, again.

love my job too /m30580 -- the "something" that would get done is that they would just lay off excess people rather than transferring them.

I think we should all pull out of the union together and maybe then SOMETHING will get done.Carriers have been put in harms way having to drive so far away from their stations just to keep their full time route.They are going to cities and towns they are not familiar with and delivering on ice and snow and not knowing the people.If the postmaster wanted to they could write a carrier up just for going down the wrong street(deviating from the route.)

I have ben taught alot in my postal career of eleven years.
 1.Sleep with a postmaster or see him or her outside the office - and then you will be in charge.People will respect you and will not dare say anything bad about you.
 2.The person cutting the routes-Never cuts the routes in his or hers own office.
 3.You had better be in great standings with someone that will stick up for you in your time of need because the union rep.does not always do it for you.They have management looking over their shoulders also.and will brownnose every chance they get.
 3.you can run the routes get done in half the time of other people and if the postmaster or postmistress doesn't like you ,you are still up the creek.
 4.It helps if you are a divorcee or single.
 5.It doesn't matter how well you do your job if the postmaster doesn't like you.they aren't out to get the mail delivered correctly-they are out to socialize.

Frustrated: I'm in the exact same boat as you. Had a hold down for over a year only to have it taken by an outsider excessed. Local union branches are not taking care of their own. Had another hold down, and they advanced a ptf from another city to regular, just to excess her on the same date, to take over the route I was holding down. Hey FedUp, where is that (exactly) in the JCAM Article 12 that you like to refer to? Luckily, when you're the steward, you don't have to worry about being excessed... all you have to do is quote the garbage in the JCAM.. and if the union agreed to this, enough said about what a useless union it is!

frustrated,I too am in your corner. I left in July with a regular retirement so I don't know what the current workroom situation is but I do know it was heading down my last year. But to back up frustrated,in my thirty one plus years I never submitted a 3996. If the mail was heavy I just picked up the pace. Working a little harder every now and then made up for all the days I had it easy. And I was a T-6 for twenty of those years. And no,I didn't skip breaks or lunch. In fact,most days I gave myself an hour lunch. And not once in my career did management ever get on my case for anything. And as an example for another thing frustrated was talking about. There was one carrier in my office that would fill out a 3996 everyday no matter what the volume was or what time he left or throwarounds or not. But yet on a day when someone came in to cover his route on OT they always came back well before eight hours. I consider that to be mostly him milking it but management not addressing the problem. This is usually not a hard job. Put the mail in the rack and deliver it. End of discussion. We all spend to much time nitpicking and not enough doing what we're paid for. I'm sure I'll get a lot of negative feedback but I never once felt guilty about cashing my paycheck.

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/m30574,
Wah wah wah. You seen to think the rules should be different for you.
If you think working in a small office is bad you should try a large office- yearly inspections, constant excessing. In the last 10 years we have been inspected 10 times. What about our rights?