T, the reg they excessed is from one city, the ptf they advanced,then excessed is from another.. that one is a buddy deal with the union/ steward. The reg who was excessed will be going back to his original city because they found more work.

/m30542 To whom did your carrier fax his note? All notes for medical issues should go to the health office, not to your local management team, who have no authority or knowledge to say a note is or isn't adequate. Have a little education for your PTFs about where to send notes and what to ask the doctor to write. I get "unable to work due to...." whatever: medical treatment, illness, injury, etc. I give the absolute minimum of personal medical information to any USPS personnel.
Also, depending on the size of your office, your PTF maybe didn't get his call-in minimum (larger offices 4 hours, smaller 2 hours.

/m30523 That isn`t what happened. He says a PTF was excessed in to fill a vacant route. The PTF is promoted to regular but goes to the bottom of the PTF list. His seniority date is the day he arrives at the station. So if MrMailman gets promoted, he will be more senior to the guy who was excessed in to fill the vacant route. We got a PTF clerk excessed in and promoted to regular carrier. And, again, the union can`t do jack about it.

I have a situation that I think is a grievance but don't know what to file it under. I had a carrier go home from work. He was told to bring a doctor's note. He left it at home. Offered to go get it or have it faxed to them. They said just fax it. Start time is at 7:15. At 10 am, he was called on his cell phone and was told that the doctor's note was not good enough because it did not indicate that he was incapacitated and unable to work. The way I see it, they let him clock in and case, and then when they knew they had enough help to cover his route, told him to come back clock out and get a doctor's note stating that he was incapacitated. I would of understood if they would have sent him home to begin with, but they let him clock in and work almost 3 hours before making the decision that they needed a "better" doctor's note. THanks and sorry about the rambling.

MrMailman
How can they excess a regular then bring in a PTF and make him a reg? The reg that was exessed has retreat rights to come back when a reg route is available. Did you talk to your steward? If all this is happening it sounds like stewards and or management is hooking up their buddies and getting rid of people they don't like and not informing them of their rights and not helping you with your rights. Oh I forgot you're just a PTF you have no rights. The inmates are running the asylum at the PO.

MrMailman1207 /m30520 Postal is correct in /m30521. Read up on Article 12, which they followed. Don't blame the union.

/m30520 Nothing the union can do about what you describe.

Whatever happened to the union? Im a ptf, had a hold down on a vacant route for 1 yr. They gave the route to a carrier excessed from another city. Im ok with that. Then the next hold down I had on another route, they gave to a ptf from another city (made that ptf regular, then excessed the carrier to our city/station). I'll stay a ptf till I retire, but I'll be damned if the un-union is going to keep getting my money to go to places like Disneyland, without doing their job.

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/m30506 Seabass, my advice just let her know u won't be available , then just don't show up on Ur NS day, you don't have to call in sick or anything, its ur day off . SV can't do nothing .
If a carrier is not on the Overtime Desired List (ODL) or
has not signed up for Work Assignment overtime, management
must not assign overtime to that carrier without
first fulfilling the obligation outlined in the “letter carrier
paragraph” of the Article 8 Memorandum. The
Article 8 Memorandum provides that “. . . where management
determines that overtime or auxiliary assistance
is needed on an employee’s route on one of the employee’s
regularly scheduled days and the employee is not
on the overtime desired list, the employer will seek to
utilize auxiliary assistance, when available, rather than
requiring the employee to work mandatory overtime.”
Such assistance includes utilizing someone from the
ODL when someone from the ODL is available.

/m30517 It is typical mail for Fall going into Christmas. Catalogs & many circulars. However, I can tell the catalogs are lighter this year. Almost no OT here. We have way too many PTFs. No NS days are worked unless a holiday is involved. We have 17 unassigned regulars & the city is getting ready to excess all of them.

I am wondering,How is the mail out west? We are in Northeast, and this marcellus shale area, where there are alot of men and some families that have moved here to drill gas wells.The problems are that we are seeing rent prices on apartments soar And alot of them that are coming without their families are taking up apartments and not getting mail.They did bring alot to the economy up here though.But not to the mail service as far as letter carriers.

Seabass, could be a good reason to file a EEO. Are you being treat differently than another class. Race or gender. Even if you settle it at the readress it will show that you will not take being treated differently! I did it and it worked. Got rid of the supervisor. Took so time but he is not in our office anymore.

I'm with GW Heywood. Stick 'em. Management does these things on a regular basis. I have an excellent leave record. Unfortunately, I was telling my co workers about a weekend trip I had planned. My n/s days are Fri/Sat. Word got back to my supervisor (who is a jerk) and she mandated me for Fri. Carriers had not been working n/s for several months. Begrudgingly I worked. A month later, 1 carrier on vacation, another out sick. I banged in for 3 days and supervisor has been less than nice since then. As for you frustrated, if we weren't working the OT, maybe flexes hours could be expanded. Think about that.

FedUP- Seabass said he was "mandated" to work his NS day. I took that to mean he had been "scheduled".

SeaBass /m30506 Keep this in your back pocket, for future use.

M-00489 Step 4 November 3, 1983, H1N-5B-C 3489
For the purposes of ELM 513.362, an absence is counted only when the employee was scheduled for work and failed to show. A nonscheduled day would not be counted in determining when the employee must provide documentation in order to be granted approved leave.

M 39 134.22. The manager is not to spy or use other covert techniques. M 39 134.3.Certain criteria may call attention for individu al street
supervision.
No advance notice to the carrier is required.
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