/m27683 Postal contract and ELM won't count in a RIF, just RIF laws where postal seniority, craft, don't matter and bumping is allowed. Retired service veterans usually don't count as veterans---go figure.

With all this talk of eliminating whatever 1000's that certain individual brought up, what was it 120,000? So let's say if they were able to get even half that via EO's or layoff's etc. It'd be alot cheaper to pay OT and possibly VT to get all that work done, instead of paying someone straight time, but with all the benefits etc that come along with all that.

S0oooo there you have it. Mandatory OT and VT here we come, coming to an office near you soon sometime this year or next. :)

m\27684 X-stew. Brush up on ELM 354.2. Not RIF law but a good place to start.

GW Heywood...and all the others who responded.

     I found out that once every 120 days...for a week...the 204b works their old route. Their route has never been put up for bid.

     This hardly seems fair. Can mgt get away with this?

     Thanks again...and happy 4th.

/m27685 Since when did the Postal do anything right? We used to joke but since nowadays injuries are being caused much more by managment ruthlessness, it isn't funny. Mandaory OT and V will really be a joke with the oldtimers. Back by midnite or give it to someone else.

Hoot /m27687 -- no they can not do that over and over. They can not return the 204b to the craft solely to circumvent posting the route. Returning the 204b to the craft once close to the 120 day mark might not make your case, but doing it twice should.

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Today one of our carriers was desperate to have 701. I`ve never seen him case mail faster, Lol. But the supers said no way. So when we all get back from the street, the supers are long gone. They probably took 501. Only the 204 was left.

today my superv told me to curtail mail to pivot on another route, i spoked to my shop steward and he told me that he can do that!(have me?curtailed bulk to pivot).? any response to this??
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/m27686 grasshoper: ELM and contract are helpful but RIF laws are the bible once RIF hits. ELM and contract are written to conform to RIF laws, not the other way around. I'd rather go to the source than read what PO says RIF rules are.

http://www.opm.gov/rif/general/rifguide.asp

ELM and contract should be bible to us

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/m27683 grasshopper - you could be right, hopefully it wont come to that!

/m27683 were any of these RIF'ed people given severance packages?

airpolly23... that stuff happens in our office every day of the
week. doesn't mean it's right... just means i think it's
happening everywhere anymore. and even though it's unfair to you
and your customer's, it's obviously not against the contract, or the
union would have already nipped it in the bud :)

Grasshopper /m27686 X-stew is right. It's even stated in the JCAM 6-8.

-----------Preference Eligible Carriers. It should be noted that “preference eligible”letter carriers have special rights under the Veterans’ Preference Act regarding separation or reduction in grade. (Federal law defines a “preference eligible” veteran at Title 5 United States Code Section 2108; see EL-312, Section 483). Preference eligible employees may have different or greater rights under the law than those set forth in Article 6.-----------

/m27691 for twenty years, Management was forbidden to do this. "You cannot cut mail to create undertime", was the decision handed down after years of fighting. Suddenly, just a couple years ago, "someone" decided that it was OK to do so. I never got a clear answer as to how this happened. Since no one even grieves it, I can only assume that NALC "traded it away", probably in exchange for something else that Management promised, but welched on. It may have been Poodlehead's doing...anyone here have the entire story on this? It was a big issue for years, and we (NALC) won it, hands down at one point.

airpolly23@aol.com /m27691 Management is using POM 646 when dealing with curtail and pivot. Our NBA told us to not even try to file. Because he said that they've lost too many of them. But each region is different. Some regions are winning them, by using Article 41.1.C.4. Where the successful bidder shall work the duty assignment, as posted.