Forever ptf/m30563 thanks for the vote of confidence. It's good to know that I'm not alone.

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FedUp /m30567, FYI I don't run the route (it's not mine like you implied, it belongs to the PO but I thought you'd have known that). You sound like one of those reg's who complains how overburdened their current assignment is but the t-6 or any ptf gets back in 8 every time. Are you saying that everybody else is running the route or are you just milking it? For every lazy ass manager, and there are many, there is a carrier like you who wouldn't know what and honest day's work is. As far as the rights of the excessed carrier, I fully understand his situation but I also understand my rights. I've done everything I needed to do to make reg ie: 6 months on the same route, and as I posted earlier I'm working on my third year on this hold down. What about my rights? Just keep drinking the kool-ade my cyber friend. And that's my point, if you were excessed into my office, you'd get the full time route and my hours get slashed even though I've got more seniority. I get punished for working in a small office where there isn't alot of turnover. How would you like it if a carrier with 6 months in came into your office and took over your position? I doubt you'd like it very much.

Stewie /m30569 -- stewards can't be excessed even if there is more than one in the station.

FedUp /m30570 -- I think Stewie is saying that he is the only steward.

stewie.......if you are the steward and are the only route in your office and couldn't prove 8 hours, you deserve to be excessed

stewie /m30569 If they're the only one assigned to the station, and they get excessed, then who's going to deliver the mail? Are you saying that there is only one City route in that office? And it's going to be abolished or turned into an aux route after MIARAP? Article 17.3 clearly states that "the contract contains special provisions protecting steward positions from transfer or reassignment. These special steward rights are known as “super seniority.” The steward super seniority provision is contained in the last paragraph of Article 17.3. That language protects stewards from being transferred from a facility or tour where letter carriers are working— unless there is no other city letter carrier job left."

So, if there is no other city carrier job available for that steward, then yes, they can be excessed. But, if it is due to a route being converted to an aux route, after MIARAP, then that carrier has the option of staying there and stepping down to a PTF.

Is it true Union Stewards are protected from excessing if there the only one assigned to a station.

egark /m30554 Thank you.

frustrated /m30561 Do you run your route the way you run your mouth? Just curious. I'm the third lowest seniority regular carrier in my office. And if you're going by grade, then I'm the lowest seniority carrier that has their own route. The other two carriers that have less time than me are T-6s. If they were to abolish another full time route in my office, it would be mine. So, you were saying? What about the carrier's right that got excessed? Have you ever thought of looking at both sides of an issue? Some carriers have such small minds. They just think about themselves. You have a carrier that has to relocate, etc.....when they're getting excessed, but you still get to stay where you're at. See my point? It's always about "me, me, me." "What's in it for me?" syndrome. Just remember that whenever excessing is going on, is management doing it according to the contract. And if not, is your union filing on the violation? Don't blame the union if you feel shafted. Be thankful that you have a good paying job in this current economy. You have more time in this company than I do. I have a little over five years.

union YES /m30559 The mail volume has picked back up, yes. But how do you automatically know that it will drop after Christmas? Don't believe the hype that management is feeding you. Let me guess, your manager looked into his crystal ball and predicted that mail volume will drop after Christmas. Just like he uses DOIS and predicts how long it should take you to do your route every day. What your leave time is. What your return time is, etc... Do you see my point? Don't believe it. The pay raise was negotiated. No, we shouldn't turn it down. We earned it. AND, one of the reasons that we're doing MIARAP, was that it was either we agreed to MIARAP or go to other drastic measures, like pay cuts, etc.......

I don't understand why the Postal Service will not offer an incentive like 25 thousand to retire and then hire new workers for 12 to 15 thousand less yearly. They would make there money back in 2yrs by hiring cheaper help.
Also these new workers could probally carry more mail than the older ones as long as they work carefully and are properlly trained etc.

Frustated-
We could be best friends. I definately agree with you.You are not alone.

Just a few thoughts. If FSS is going to elinate so many routes and with MIARAP doing the same, why wasn't any sort of VER offered to the carriers? There are alot of folks on here saying all they want is the years, or even 25,000, although I think that for many it's all talk and no walk, so why wouldn't the give it to the carriers? It makes me thing that there is something funny going on. Someone once said "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you".

FEDUP m/30557, I was just wondering where you fall on the seniority list? My guess is up far enough to not have to worry about being excessed. Junior regulars and even more so, PTF'S are getting the royal shaft and are understandably pissed. I'm a ptf holding down a route witheld under art. 12 and I'm in my thrid year of doing so. It seems that the union just lets the po walk right over them. If after this length of time they can't fill the job than I should be converted. More than likely the carrier excessed in will have less seniority than me (10 years) but because I worked in a small office there wasn't a lot of turnover and now I'm screwed. What about my rights? It's easy to sit up on high and judge others but try walking in their shoes!!

/m30538, Once you merge you can not withdraw.