Well, at least there is potential for more work. Never ran across an OIC that didn't want to cut, cut, cut. So if you got an office that OIC doesn't want to work the window, good for you.
Latest we heard is our PM will be gone for six months. But hey, it changes day to day.

rumor has it you lost your drawers years ago trying to get into management.

Speak toothless one, speak to us.

I sometimes can't comprehend the OIC's who are PTF's == don't they have a clue that they're shooting themselves in the butt? I guess they really want to move up, but we had a PTF around here that was so horrible: when she was awarded the PM position, the entire town rallied to get her out! They stopped just short of pitchforks, but they called senators & the local news.. it was quite a riot to see that many people despise someone so much!

Its pretty bad when the public is not happy with the PM. I've heard many complaints through the years of various PM's/OIC's but not to the extent that you speak of.
Understandably not a popularity contest but in small towns its not hard to be appreciated if the alternative is someone that is cold in nature. So fortunate for me, I get alot of happy customers that tell me how much they appreciate my work. Sad thing is I'm not doing anything special, it just looks great in comparison.

In small towns, they love you as long as you let them have their way in everything. Worked the PM hours some this week, and spent the whole afternoon fetching PO Box customer Mail. But, het, what else do they have to do {besides all the bulk Mail they held so they could sendclerks home}.

It's actually reverse in my office. I'm a little more lenient, but that's mostly w/ the oldies. There's just no way I can say no to the 94 yr old lady who crochets little table doilies with my name on them!!

/m13045 exactly. The OIC in question is something else -- she has an extremely high opinion of herself. And you don't have to be a kiss-a** -- there's another floating clerk in the area....I described her to my husband as the waitress working nights in a crappy diner bit*hing the entire time she's pouring coffee, but she's a doll at heart!

I am a level 7 lead sales and service associate in Williamsburg va. I was just informed I was going to be excessed to another office because of my level (7). Management is removing the csbcs machines and excessing three clerks. Here is the problem....

There are level 6 and 7 clerks on the machines... Senior mail processors are level 7. Management claims that they can excess level 7 jobs and not level 6 in the installation. The junior regulars in the building are all level 6 with less than 5 years. The three level 7 clerks have 20 years or more. Can they tie me in to excessing because of removal of machines which are not even in my job description?? My job is not being excessed and will be put up for bid after I am gone.

If anyone is in a facility where this is happening can yuo tell me what level they are excessing there??

Try here for an answer to your question
 http://www.21cpw.com/clerk.html

Are there any real rules (lol) for excessing or is it just deals? We have been told that someone will be moved to our office now (and this person wants to because we only have one regular spot.so they will move to the top instead of jr. at there office) that office will be short people(they are on ot now) and our office will be cut...makes alot of sense..
and Does anyone have advice about filing an eeo for a ptf who has been there for 17 years and should be next in line for regular. Is it worth it?
When all the ptf's in larger offices were made regulars...we didnt even know about it? doesnt seem fair...I would apprieciate concerned input

withheld /m13050 -- on what would an EEO claim be based?

What do you mean by "When all the ptf's in larger offices were made regulars...we didnt even know about it?"

I agree that the excessing rules are not always fair, but "fair" is never the issue. The only things that count are the contracts and manuals. Article 12 was written many years ago when nobody anticipated the current situation.

This happened back in Dec 2007
apwu news bulletin #14-2007
and can find it under upwu.org news & events
looking under highlights of agreement
Title is ( Elimination of ptfs in large offices/200 man years or more
somewhere I found an article (that i cant find now) that says other ptf's would be notified and given a choice to transfer to a larger office so that they might also be converted. Seems like some knew this was coming?
If I wasnt given the oppt. would that be discrimination?
some were ,,,some were not
and yes I am letting my feelings get involved...it isnt fair...etc
it is just hard to see it all happening...
There is nothing I can do ...and there
I have answered my own ?
Good luck to all of you..
hoping later (if i still have a job) that I might like it again

the making all the PTFs to regular was in the last contract. I was in an small office at the time and we all knew about it. The excessing is done according to Article 12 of the contract. As for the ptf waiting forever to make regular, too bad. I had a regular excessed in front of me a few years ago. Thems the breaks. The contract has always been stilted in favor of the plants and large offices.

Edited by author 11-08-2009 06:24 PM
withheld /m13052 -- you can't find that article because it doesn't exist. No such choice to transfer to a larger office was ever offered.

As far as discrimination, discrimination isn't illegal. Discrimination for certain reasons is, and not being able to transfer to a larger office isn't one of them.

tilted, not stilted.

/m13052 53 54 MOU page 319: 'All part-time flexible (PTF) clerk craft employees on the rolls on November 21, 2006 who have completed their
probationary period in installations with less than 100 career clerk craft employees will be given an opportunity to be reassigned to offices with 100 or more career clerk craft employees.

The parties recognize that it is in the interest of both the Employer and the Union to provide career clerk craft employees in installations with less than 100 career clerk craft employees the opportunity to be reassigned and future opportunities to be converted to full-time, prior to hiring PTFs in offices with 100 or more clerk craft employees.'

So if PTF request and get transfered to larger offices with 200 man-years, they would be made FTR under MOU page 290, but not if they go to ones with less than 200 man-years.

/m13052 You keep saying "it isn't fair," but you never say why you didn't know anything about this.

You obviously have Internet access (and if you don't, whose fault is that?), and you're reading this forum now. What were you doing in 2007 when the new contract was signed? Are you not a union member? If you aren't, then I shouldn't even be wasting my time responding to you.

If you are a union member, don't you read the APWU Postal Worker magazine that you receive monthly? If not, WHY NOT? Do you attend union meetings? Do you check the APWU home page online at least once a week to see what's new?

Who do you think is responsible for educating you about the clerk contract and all its provisions? How about YOU, YOURSELF?