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IOANNIS MICHALETOS
11-15-2005
10:53 AM ET (US)
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What is Roleplay Gaming?
( FEEL FREE TO ADD ELEMENTS, COMMENTS AND CONTRADICTIONARY proposals for R.P.G)
ROLEPLAY GAMING is similar to group storytelling: each player takes on the 'role' of one or more of the Player Characters (PC) in the story, much like an actor in an improvisational play. Unlike reading or watching a film, both passive forms of storytelling, a player in a roleplay game takes an active part in the story, participates in events, and influences the progression of the plot. In a roleplay game (RPG), unlike a novel, there is no fixed plotline, no certain outcome: just as in real life, you are never certain of how things will turn out in the end.
You experience the excitement of the story through your Character's adventures. When your Character succeeds in some task, or resolves some riddle, it will be your success as well. You will find it a uniquely satisfying form of entertainment. By keeping two fundamental questions in mind, you will be able to grasp the basics of roleplaying:
· Who is my Character; what are his/her current motivations and goals?
· What will my Character do next based on what he/she knows about the current circumstances?
Roleplaying is a very social form of entertainment. It forces you to interact with your fellow players. Cooperation is usually necessary to ensure a successful conclusion to your adventure. At its best, roleplaying stimulates additional reading, research, and interest in other subjects (such as history, science, invention), as you seek to improve your personal background knowledge. This extra knowledge gives your Characters an edge during the game and makes it more enjoyable.
In every roleplay game, one of the players takes on a special function: they act as the Gamemaster (GM). The GM directs the flow of the of the story action by managing the other players' participation in the game. The GM fabricates setting and plot elements as needed along the way. The GM integrates the the actions of the Characters into the game, including their interactions with the environment informing the player about what their Character hears, sees, smells, tastes, touches (and if applicable, senses supernaturally); plus they provide Gamemaster Characters (GMC; people and creatures created and played by the GM). The GM performs this task by:
· Using their imagination to create a plausible dilemma which serves as the catalyst for an adventure to be undertaken by the Characters.
· Asking each Character in turn (and when appropriate providing the answer to) the question: "What does your Character do next?" The players' answers provide the energy to keep the plot moving. The trickiest part for the GM is to mentally stay five minutes ahead of the Characters, keeping track of the potential plot twists, GMCs the Characters might encounter, and things they might see.
What About Rules?
Most roleplay games consist of two parts: a description of a world or setting designed to inspire adventure, and a collection of rules for generating and playing a Character. Through this Character, you may explore and interact with the inhabitants and environment of the roleplay world. In most RPGs, only the GM is required to be familiar with the setting -- indeed, it is better if players discover it gradually through successive adventures.
In addition to the rules for Character generation, everyone must be at least somewhat familiar with the rules that limit the ways in which Characters can interact with the lifeforms, objects, and the forces of nature in the roleplay setting. The GM provides the player with the sensory information that their PC gleans from the world around them.
On Murphy's World chaos reigns. There is no need for extensive and complex rules. All decisions about what a Character ultimately can or cannot accomplish under any specific circumstance are left to the discretion of the GM — we have provided some rules and suggestions (see below), but they are all optional. It's possible to play Murphy's World without using any rules at all! You can spend your time roleplaying, rather than learning new rules and how to work with — and around — them.
To get started, you need to find others interested in playing. Ideally, you should join a group of people who already have roleplaying experience. Most gaming stores can put you in touch with roleplaying enthusiasts.
A world of adventure awaits!
Your First Time Gamemastering
Well lucky you. You've been conned into running a roleplay game. During a roleplay game all participants gather in close proximity (usually sitting around a table). One is assigned to be the Gamemaster (GM) while the others are players. The players generate Player Characters (PC) with which they participate in adventures much like the lead characters of a film or novel. As GM, you create and administrate those adventures. An adventure advances as you provide the Player Characters with the information that each requests in turn about what their Character's senses can detect (see, hear, smell, feel, taste, plus any supernatural senses).
You can bet your players are pretty smug knowing that you must spend every waking hour before the first game concocting every detail of the entire planet right down to where left socks and loose buttons go when they vanish. Well, piffle to all that! You need remember only two things:
· You're all playing this game first and foremost to have a good time (that means you too!) and,
· The Gamemaster's word is final.
The amount of time and energy you invest in the production of adventures, setting details, Gamemaster Characters, creatures and strange items, is entirely up to you. Here's the really good news. If you develop a knack for monitoring the action of the adventure and noticing opportunities to exploit where a silly element (whether a new character, item, or event) might be injected, you've got half the battle won. The only other thing you need to develop is a sense of whimsy and appropriateness so that the elements you inject not only entertain but actually serve to advance the plot. Admittedly, this can be a challenge. However, we've provided an assortment of Random Generation Tables for various elements which you can consult either in preparation for an adventure, or during the action.
A roleplay game is a highly social, interactive form of group entertainment. Roleplay games can be compared to live theatre, but the participants are simultaneously the writers, actors, and audience. This can be one of the most satisfying forms of recreation you can enjoy. Good luck!
© Ioannis Michaletos
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06-11-2004
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FOODS FOR HEALTH
There are enough vegetarians here in US, most of them from India. So let me ask this to all these vegetarians, which will help other non-vegetarians realise the power of eating vegetarian foods. Can anyone list the common daily vegetarian food items that have more quality protein contents than any of the non-veg items?? OK let me give some hints :
pulses - dals of all type
legumes
the famous chapatis, parathas etc........made from whole wheat.
None of these items have fats, cholesterol, and refined sugars.
It has wholesome fiber which is not present in any non-veg food items.
It has easily digestible proteins which are never present in non-veg food.
It has more quality amino acids (basic protein components) than any of
the non-veg food items.
These foods can be digested by every human being and will never cause constipation, where as non-foods are not even digested 10% by humans did you know that?!?!?! If you don't want to believe this, go read any text book on food and nutrition by any author from any part of the world. Evolution has made our bodies and internal organs and stomachs and its contents and machinery in such a way that it can only fully digest and absorb vegetarian foods. more later
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06-10-2004
11:04 PM ET (US)
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: the things people say
From: "Connie Habash" <Connie@awakeningself.com>
2. Re: Digest Number 1203
From: "Sankaran narayanan" <n_sankaran_iyer@hotmail.com>
3. Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
From: Gopal N <gkn2000us@yahoo.com>
4. Re: the things people say
From: "Dixie Thacker" <dixielou@surfbest.net>
5. Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
From: "Dixie Thacker" <dixielou@surfbest.net>
6. Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
From: "gkn2000us" <gkn2000us@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Faith
From: balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Faith
From: Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027@yahoo.com>
9. Re: Faith
From: balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Faith
From: Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027@yahoo.com>
11. MEDITATE WHILE YOU WORK (28)
From: Girish <girish_srv@yahoo.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:49:19 -0700
From: "Connie Habash" <Connie@awakeningself.com>
Subject: Re: the things people say
Om Namah Shivaya -
I probably don't need to add my 2 cents, but here it is:
I don't pay much attention to the opinions or
words of others when it comes to matters of my inner truth.
I know what is true for me, what I feel within my soul. Even
when my own head doubts, I have learned to put that aside
and just go see Amma, or do my sadhana (even though I
sometimes forget or get "too busy", I keep coming back to it).
My own head will often say things that I know are false or
even offensive - I have to learn to ignore it and not react
even to myself! It's just blather and vasanas.
People will say what they will say. We have no control over
that - I think that's beyond whether they have a "right" to say
what they say or not. They will think what they think and say
what they say. There will always be those who say something
negative about something good, and vice versa. I've not found
it helpful to get agitated about what others say. It's kind of like
walking in a storm - keep your head low and keep walking
forward, no matter what's blowing your way. That's how I look
at it. I figure the less energy I give to that stuff, the better, and
the more energy I have for my own inner work (which I certainly
need!). If we feed them energy by our reactions, they just get
more energized. This is why I often don't post to the group -
I just trust that things work themselves out. Plus, I'm always
questioning my own motives for wanting to say something.
If you are agitated by what I say - just keep your head low and
continue walking to the next post. ;)
Blessings,
Achintya
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:52:23 +0000
From: "Sankaran narayanan" <n_sankaran_iyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1203
I have no interest in getting into this debate, but i wanted to post an
interview answer given by Mother in rediff (one of India's most respected
news sources) about handling criticism - the original itself is at
http://im.rediff.com/news/2002/aug/02inter1.htm ...
Question: You have many critics.
Answer: Critics will be there. But they are not there now the way they were
when the avatars of gods were born -- like Christ, or Ram or Krishna. So
many people were killed before their birth, and so many were killed even
when they were living. So, that will always be there. And criticism should
be there. The easiest way to destroy a nation is to not criticize the prime
minister. Only when criticism comes will the flaws be highlighted. I am not
angry with them. There will always be differences of view.
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>Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:17:16 -0000 From: "medshanti"
><medshanti@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1201
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>To hopefully bring a peaceful end to this discussion:
>
>Amma has is now quoted (below) on this subject and says she tried to
>dissuade the Swami. Some like to consider such things, but this group is
>not a place where such things are discussed without upsetting too many
>people. The Amma Free Speech Zone Yahoo group, or other sites discussing
>the pros and cons of such things, is the place where you can discuss these
>issues, not here. Upsetting people by asking them to consider such things
>here does nothing because nearly everyone here never sees any problem and
>they do not come here to think about such things. Personally, I value
>seeing Amma and reading some of what is here, but these incidents and the
>attitudes of her followers have, as you suggest, changed my and some others
>opinion on her, one reason why I'm not seeing her this time. The nature of
>posts here have disillusioned me and many others about taking Amma as a
>guru since to me the actions of her followers and those here obviously
>reflect her wishes in these actions, and her wish that no one question
>anything, but making such statements here upsets people here and so I do
>not intend to repeat this. For the record, Amma herself does seem to
>realize these issues are damaging her on the outside and aren't going to go
>away:
>
>------------------------------------------ San Jose Mercury News:
>
>"Asked about a controversial legal case in which a resident of her main
>ashram in Kollam, India, had filed a defamation lawsuit seeking criminal
>prosecution of a longtime critic of the sect, the guru said she had tried
>to dissuade the plaintiff. But she added that the critic had gone too far,
>making false claims that there had been seven suspicious deaths at the
>Kollam ashram -- which houses more than 2,000 people -- outraging residents
>and bereaved families.
>
>``This has been very painful,'' Amritanandamayi said. The case has not gone
>to trial. While she did not say whether she planned to intervene, she said
>the critic, author Sreeni Pattathanam, ``won't go to jail'' if he's
>convicted. (Pattathanam says the threat of criminal prosecution violates
>his right to free speech.)" -------------------------------------------
>Again, this is my first and last post here on such matters unless Amma
>herself comments further beyond what she has said or decides to further
>intervene and request the Swami to desist. I do not want to offend anyone
>further who does not understand why anyone would be concerned, but
>considering what Amma herself has said, this needed to be said.
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gopal N <gkn2000us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
I don't know the specific event that Jyotsna mentioned, where Amma had a heated debate with one of the Swamijis. A similar incident happened at San Ramon tonight, where Amma was answering a devotee's question, but the Swamiji didn't translate the idea very well. So she got frustrated and started inturrupting the translation. At one point, Amma got so frustrated, she called Swamiji a "Pottan" (deaf) and playfully pinched his ears!! Finally she broke down the idea in different steps, and asked him to translate accordingly. Since I knew Malayalam, I was able to enjoy the whole debate!!
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:53 -0400
From: "Dixie Thacker" <dixielou@surfbest.net>
Subject: Re: the things people say
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Habash
To: Ammachi@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ammachi] the things people say
Namaste, Achintya
Thank you so much for this post; I, too, am tending to question my motives for posting here. (And am not always finding them to be as 'pure' as I'd hope - that ego is still running amock!). But - isn't there always one? - I also know that on several occassions my posts have evoked responses I've needed and I have also had the psots between others grant me 'light bulb' moments.
It always amazes me that I am so decisive/firmly stanced in all other aspects of my life but this one ties knots in my brain every time I turn around.
Love,
Snehalata (the WV one!)
Om Namah Shivaya -
I probably don't need to add my 2 cents, but here it is:
I don't pay much attention to the opinions or
words of others when it comes to matters of my inner truth.
I know what is true for me, what I feel within my soul. Even
when my own head doubts, I have learned to put that aside
and just go see Amma, or do my sadhana (even though I
sometimes forget or get "too busy", I keep coming back to it).
My own head will often say things that I know are false or
even offensive - I have to learn to ignore it and not react
even to myself! It's just blather and vasanas.
People will say what they will say. We have no control over
that - I think that's beyond whether they have a "right" to say
what they say or not. They will think what they think and say
what they say. There will always be those who say something
negative about something good, and vice versa. I've not found
it helpful to get agitated about what others say. It's kind of like
walking in a storm - keep your head low and keep walking
forward, no matter what's blowing your way. That's how I look
at it. I figure the less energy I give to that stuff, the better, and
the more energy I have for my own inner work (which I certainly
need!). If we feed them energy by our reactions, they just get
more energized. This is why I often don't post to the group -
I just trust that things work themselves out. Plus, I'm always
questioning my own motives for wanting to say something.
If you are agitated by what I say - just keep your head low and
continue walking to the next post. ;)
Blessings,
Achintya
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:49:29 -0400
From: "Dixie Thacker" <dixielou@surfbest.net>
Subject: Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
----- Original Message -----
From: Gopal N
To: Ammachi@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ammachi] Q&A Swami debate with Amma
Namaste,
Just a fun question related to your post - and one I've wondered about before: If Amma does not speak English, how does she catch a mistranslation? (-:
I suspect she understand all languages -anyone else think so?
At Mother's feet,
Snehalata
I don't know the specific event that Jyotsna mentioned, where Amma had a heated debate with one of the Swamijis. A similar incident happened at San Ramon tonight, where Amma was answering a devotee's question, but the Swamiji didn't translate the idea very well. So she got frustrated and started inturrupting the translation. At one point, Amma got so frustrated, she called Swamiji a "Pottan" (deaf) and playfully pinched his ears!! Finally she broke down the idea in different steps, and asked him to translate accordingly. Since I knew Malayalam, I was able to enjoy the whole debate!!
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:56:28 -0000
From: "gkn2000us" <gkn2000us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Q&A Swami debate with Amma
--- In Ammachi@yahoogroups.com, "Dixie Thacker" <dixielou@s...> wrote:
> Namaste,
>
> Just a fun question related to your post - and one I've wondered
about before: If Amma does not speak English, how does she catch a
mistranslation? (-:
>
> I suspect she understand all languages -anyone else think so?
>
> At Mother's feet,
> Snehalata
Amma may not be fluent in English, but she is very sharp and
understands most of the translation. She wants Swamiji to translate
her speech without adding anything to it. Last night, Amma talked
about a woman getting jealous about not being able to marry the man
she loved (when the guy is married to someone else, kind of like the
situation in the Alanis Morriset song "Ironic"). During the
translation, Swamiji stretched this idea and went on and talked about
boyfriend-girlfriend jealousy etc. Mother immediately caught this
additional material and stopped him from talking further.
Gopal
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Faith
namah shivaya
We should keep our focus on Amma, not on the people around Her . I dont think any ordinary person can do what Amma has been doing for 30 years now-meeting thousands, sacrificing Her body in utter selflessness, starting such wonderful charitable activities, granting visions of the Lord to few lucky ones( my own friend has had a direct experience of this kind), exhibiting omniscience to an astonishing degree( i personally have had at least 3 amazing experiences of this), monitor a thousand activities to such perfection constantly, etc etc etc ....
Why are we so quick to question and blame and criticise , instead of being quick to praise the so palpable greatness of Amma, and and instead of trying to develop acceptance and faith?
people will keep saying all sorts of things- if we allow our minds to be agitated each time someone distorts words( which is what the San jose mercury news reporter did with Dayamrit Swami's words- I know that from what swami said here) and , when are we going to ever know peace and faith?
For all detractors and critics i say- come and experience Amma for yourself. If you feel you can do what Amma does- go ahead- hug thousands, hug lepers and dogs and young and old alike with an equal love, lick a leper's wounds, have a constant smile, forsake food and sleep and be ever fresh like Her- i challenge any one to do what Amma is doing ...
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Faith
Namah Shivaya,
Thank you, Bala. Nicely put.
I can understand why people might be concerned. It is
important to question your faith from time to time -
it only makes it stronger. What I cannot understand
is why some think that because they are concerned, we
should ALL be concerned.
Each person's concern or lack of it is between them
and their guru.
In Amma,
Gabriela
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Faith
Namah Shivaya Gabriela,
Yes - but my point is we should not confuse between Amma's devotees and Amma- the people around Amma arent all jivanmuktas and they have vasanas too.They are liable to make mistakes and Amma may even allow them to make a mistake so that they will learn from it. We should focus only on Amma and not on those around Her .
bala
Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027@yahoo.com> wrote:
Namah Shivaya,
Thank you, Bala. Nicely put.
I can understand why people might be concerned. It is
important to question your faith from time to time -
it only makes it stronger. What I cannot understand
is why some think that because they are concerned, we
should ALL be concerned.
Each person's concern or lack of it is between them
and their guru.
In Amma,
Gabriela
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Faith
Namah Shivaya,
I agree, Bala. I didn't mean to detract from your
point. I was trying to make another one. I should've
stated mine in a new message. But yes, I agree that
the "fruit" by which we may judge Amma is her message,
not her devotees. Everyone, save Amma, is fallible.
As one of Amma's swami's said to me recently, "Amma is
the only true renunciate".
In Amma,
Gabriela
--- balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Namah Shivaya Gabriela,
>
> Yes - but my point is we should not confuse
> between Amma's devotees and Amma- the people around
> Amma arent all jivanmuktas and they have vasanas
> too.They are liable to make mistakes and Amma may
> even allow them to make a mistake so that they will
> learn from it. We should focus only on Amma and not
> on those around Her .
>
> bala
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Girish <girish_srv@yahoo.com>
Subject: MEDITATE WHILE YOU WORK (28)
MEDITATE WHILE YOU WORK : A NEW PATH FOR A NEW AGE (29)
Swami Ashokananda
I have not the least doubt that if we had done that in
India, India would have risen much earlier - strong with an
unaccustomed strength. His message was not the message of
non-violence, which is negative and confusing. His message was
the message of strength. Unfortunately, we did not receive that
message as we ought to have done when he gave it. By 'we' I mean
the masses of the Hindus. We shall have to listen to that message
again and recognize that it is the only thing. Only then will
India stand upon her own feet, glorified with a glory yet undreamt
of by mankind. Swami Vivekananda often used to say, 'I see three
hundred years of India's future before my eyes.' And he also said,
'The glory of India that is yet to be is so great that nothing of
her past glory can come near it. You cannot even imagine the
glorious India that is ahead of you.'
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06-10-2004
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The Value of Time
Imagine there is a bank that credits your account each morning with $86,400. It carries over no balance from day to day. Every evening deletes whatever part of the balance you failed to use during the day.
What would you do? Draw out every cent, of course! Each of us has such a bank. Its name is TIME. Every morning, it credits you with 86,400 seconds. Every night it writes off, as lost, whatever of this you have failed to invest to good purpose.
It carries over no balance. It allows no overdraft. Each day it opens a new account for you. Each night it burns the remains of the day. If you fail to use the day's deposits, the loss is yours. There is no going back. There is no drawing against the "tomorrow".
You must live in the present on today's deposits. Invest it so as to get from it the utmost in health, happiness and success!
The clock is running.
Make the most of today.
To realize the value of ONE YEAR, ask a student who failed a grade.
To realize the value of ONE MONTH, ask a mother who gave birth to a pre-mature baby.
To realize the value of ONE WEEK, ask the editor of a weekly newspaper.
To realize the value of ONE DAY, ask a daily wage laborer with kids to feed.
To realize the value of ONE HOUR, ask the lovers who are waiting to meet.
To realize the value of ONE MINUTE, ask a person who missed the train.
To realize the value of ONE SECOND, ask a person who just avoided an accident.
To realize the value of ONE MILLI-SECOND, ask the person who won a silver medal in the Olympics.
Treasure every moment that you have! And treasure it more because you shared it with someone special, special enough to spend your time.
And remember that time waits for no one.
Yesterday is history.
Tomorrow a mystery.
Today is a gift.
That's why it's called the PRESENT!!!
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
11:25 AM ET (US)
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Mahaa Bhagath, a matter of fact!
From: Arun Reddy <arunreddy_n@yahoo.com>
2. Your e-mail of 8 June 2004......please join together happily
From: "Krishnan Ramaswamy" <ramasayee@hotmail.com>
3. Re: Prayers Needed to get my wife back
From: MAHAJAN ANIL <mahajan_anil@yahoo.com>
4. Thursday Message from Satcharitra
From: Om Sai Ram <shirdibabasaisharan@yahoo.com>
5. Information to add a new member
From: "rajvanshi_ankur" <rajvanshi_ankur@yahoo.com>
6. OM SAI SHRI SAI JAI JAI SAI!
From: Rekha Tyagi <rekhatanvi@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Your e-mail of 8 June 2004......please join together happily
From: vagga venkateswarulu <venkat_vagga@yahoo.com>
8. The Glory of Shirdi Sai - Issue 12-2004
From: "saibanisa2" <saibanisa2@yahoo.co.in>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:06:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Arun Reddy <arunreddy_n@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mahaa Bhagath, a matter of fact!
Mahaa Bhagath, a matter of fact!
What is needed of those involved in spreading Sai message is humility, utmost faith in Sadguru and acceptance that He is the wirepuller and the individuals are mere participants. Humility for a Sai devotee should be a constant reminder. The association with any image or emotion, even be sattwic, can only be a form of hindrance to the task. Hemadpanth aptly wrote that ahankara, the sense of doership in this context, couldn't be conquered as long as association with any emotion persists. Dasganu was chided by Baba for setting out like a bridegroom for singing God's glory. Sai prachaar may not be an elevated state of activity, time bound and material driven. It happens with the mere intention of sharing Sadguru's word. Until one truthfully considers himself to be the least qualified to do the task and realizes that it is providence that bestowed the blessing, the self remains hindrance to the task.
Baba set up an example by calling Himself a devotee of God. He extolled the virtues of God, Himself remaining a meek servant. Some say Baba was 'Bhagawad baktha', the devotee of Lord. "Allah maalik", "God is great", said the God Himself! In the spiritual context, one may ascribe this attitude of Baba to adwaita, the non-dual nature of the divine, where Sadguru and Sadbhaktha are one and the same. However, in the context of spreading God's words, Baba set up an example. If God calls himself a meek creature, an insect in the dung, where would that place his followers?
Let this be our reminder as we embark onto the newer phase of understanding Sai message, by learning and sharing, with humility as a mater of fact.
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:57:11 +0000
From: "Krishnan Ramaswamy" <ramasayee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Your e-mail of 8 June 2004......please join together happily
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: MAHAJAN ANIL <mahajan_anil@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Prayers Needed to get my wife back
Dear somasekhar,
I have really a pity for you.You are the true bhakt of
Baba who pleaded to your wife to stay and not to go
towards Divorce, and your wife she thinks that she is
devotee of baba i can not believe and i really laugh
that Baba told her not to stay with you even your her
mother in law also requested her.Shame on that type of
Bhakta who blame every thing on Baba.
Can you imaging Baba will say you leave him because he
is my bhakat.
Some thing fishy
may god bring peace in your family.But I don't like
this type of bhakat who do Natak that baba said to her
not to stay.Do you think that she is true bhakta think
may god bless you
Anil
--- Kishmoo <pn.kishmoo@tajhotels.com> wrote:
> sairam somasekhar,
>
> I am really very much shocked to note that not
> attending a party in friends house for a day made
> your wife to think to live separately. Marriage knot
> is not so light to take is lightly. baba says,
> service starts at home. we shd be a good devotee in
> our house then we shd go out for service. Pls read
> satacharita and follow baba's sayings.I tell you,
> between husband and wife there shd not be any ego
> problem. Always try to convince and get things done.
> Just because you are the husband don't ever think
> that she shd always be your listener. u shd also
> listen. May be, her state of mind on that day does
> not permitted her to attend the party. it is ok past
> is past. Tell your wife, not to get upset and go
> into deep to divorce level. may be she might have
> had bitter experience earlier also. Not for this
> silly reason she wl go to this extent. Without
> knowing the full background we cannot say. but I
> request your wife, be a good devotee. Baba says to
> adjust with everybody and get along. He says to love
> our enemy first as sai is with him also. In this
> case, when we are devotee of baba, when baba has
> told to love our enemy, where the question of
> divorce. when we follow the footsteps of baba, we
> shd see baba in everybody's heart. baba is with u
> and baba with in the heart of your wife. separating
> each other is separating baba. when you both are
> one, where is question of tossing? it is not
> applicable for husband and wife.pls try to
> understand each other and be united. your next mail
> shd be written jointly with a very good baba's
> message.
>
> JAI SAIRAM
>
> KRISHNAMURTHY P N
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Somasekhar Bangalore <sbangalore@zensutra.com>
> To: shirdibabasaisharan@yahoogroups.com
> <shirdibabasaisharan@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:15 PM
> Subject: [shirdibabasaisharan] Prayers Needed to get
> my wife back
>
>
> Om Sai Ram,
>
> I had a fight with my wife last month over a very
> petty issue , you would laugh if I say what the
> issue about, It was should we go for lunch to a
> friend's place or not.
> She said she is not coming, I insisted that we
> should go, cos all my friends were coming from long
> distance,infact one had come from USA on a vacation.
> I became very angry and I started the argument ,
> she also started the argument.the fire didn't cool
> down till my mother-in-law intervened.
>
> we both are baba devotees .we usually toss a coin
> when are in predicament.it seems she put toss in
> front of baba's photo and asked baba , should she
> stay with me.
> it seems that baba told her not to be with me.now
> she is insisting that she want's divorce. The next
> day, I also put a toss in front of baba's photo,
> should I leave her or not.
> baba told me not to leave her.
>
> Now we are in a mess.I am really confused. I really
> love my wife very much.I have told her i am sorry
> about the incident, even then she is not willing to
> stay with me. Even my mother-in-law is also
> convincing her to stay with me. But she is very
> adamant that baba has told her to leave me. She
> say's she want's divorce at any cost.
> what should I do ?I can't work properly at my work
> place.My mind is not at ease.
>
> I request you all Sai Devotees to pray for me ,so
> that my wife stays with me,Baba alone can pull me
> out of this mess.
>
> Om Sai Ram
> Somasekhar
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Om Sai Ram <shirdibabasaisharan@yahoo.com>
Subject: Thursday Message from Satcharitra
Om Sai Ram Shirdi Sai Baba
Lord Sainath is Ultimate !
Dear Sai Bandhus,
Here is the Thursday Message from Sri Sai Satcharitra.
Damu Anna Kasar of Ahmednagar - (1) Speculations - (2) Amra-Leela
Damu Anna
The readers are aware that a mention of this gentleman was made in the 6th Chapter, regarding the celebration of Rama-Navami festival in Shirdi. He went to Shirdi about the year 1895, when the Rama-Navami Utsava-celebration began and from that time he has been providing an ornamental flag for that occasion every year. He also feeds the poor and the fakirs that come there for the festival.
His Speculations :
1) Cotton
A Bombay friend of Damu Anna wrote to him, that they should do some cotton-speculation business in partnership which would bring them about two lacs of rupees as profit. (Damu Anna says in his statement made about the year 1936 to Mr. B.V.Narasimha Swami that the proposal about speculating at Bombay in cotton was from a broker who was not to be a partner, and that he (Damu Anna) was to be the sole adventurer: - vide P.75 of the Devotees' Experiences Part II). The broker wrote that the business was good and involved no risks and that the opportunity should not be lost. Damu Anna was oscillating in his mind. He could not at once determine to venture in the speculation. He thought about this and as he was a devotee of Baba, he wrote a detailed letter to Shama giving all the facts and requested him to consult Baba and take His advice in the matter. Shama got the letter next day and when he came with it at noon to the Masjid and placed it before Baba. He asked Shama what the matter was,
and what the paper (letter) was about. He replied that Damu Anna of Nagar wanted to consult Him about something. Then Baba said - "What does he write, and what does he plan? It seems that he wants to catch the sky and that he is not content with what God has given him; read his letter". Shama than said, "The letter contains what you have just said now. Oh, Deva you sit here calm and composed and agitate the devotees and when they get restless, you draw them here, some in person and others through letters. If you know the contents of the latter, why do you then press me to read it?" Baba said - "Oh Shama, read it please. I speak at random and who believes Me."
Then Shama read the letter and Baba heard it attentively and said feelingly - "The Shet (Damu Anna) has gone mad; write to him in reply that nothing is wanting in his house. Let him be content with the half loaf (bread) he has now and let him not bother himself about lacs." Shama sent the reply which Damu Anna was anxiously waiting for. Reading it, he found that all his hopes and prospects about lacs of rupees as profit were dashed to the ground. He thought that he had done a mistake in consulting Baba. But as Shama had hinted in the reply that there was always much difference in seeing and hearing and that, therefore, he should come to Shirdi personally and see Baba. He thought it advisable to go to Shirdi and consult Baba personally about the affair. So he went to Shirdi, saw Baba, prostrated himself before Him and sat shampooing His legs. He had no courage to ask Baba openly about the speculation, but he thought in his mind, that it would be better if some share in the business
should be assigned to Baba and said in his mind, that if Baba were to help him in this transaction, he would surrender some share of profits to Him. Damu Anna was thus thinking secretly in his mind, but nothing was veiled from Baba; everything past, present and future were clear to Him as an Amalaka fruit in hand. A child wants sweets, but its mother gives bitter pills; the former spoil its health, while the latter improve it. So the mother looking to the welfare of her infant, coaxes it and gives it bitter pills. Baba, kind mother as He was, knew the present and future prospects of His devotees, and therefore reading Damu Anna's mind, He openly spoke to him - "Bapu, I do not want to be entangled in any such wordly things (sharing profits)." Seeing Baba's disapproval Damu Anna dropped the enterprise.
2) Grain-Dealing
Then he thought of trading in grain, rice, wheat and other groceries. Baba read also this thought and said to him, "You will be buying at five seers and selling at seven seers a rupee". So this business was also given up. The rice in the prices of grains was kept up for some time, and Baba's prophecy seemed to be falsified, but in a month or two there was abundant rain everywhere and the prices suddenly fell down; and, therefore, those who stored grains suffered a severe loss. Damu Anna was saved from this fate. Needless to say that the cotton speculation which was conducted by the broker with the help of another merchant also collapsed with a severe loss to the adventurers. After seeing that Baba had saved him from two severe losses in cotton and grain speculations, Damu Anna's faith in Baba grew strong and he remained a true devotee of Baba till His passing away and even now.
Amra-Leela (Mango miracle)
Once a parcel of about 300 good mangoes was received at Shirdi. It was sent from Goa by one Mamlatdar named Rale to Sai Baba in the name of Shama. When it was opened, all the mangoes were found to be in a good condition. They were given in Shama's charge and only four were retained and placed in the kolamba (pot) by Baba. He said that, "These four fruits are for Damu Anna, let them lie there".
This Damu Anna had three wives. According to his statement mentioned above, he had not three but two wives only. He had no issue. He consulted many astrologers and himself studied astrology to some extent and found that as there was a 'papi' (inauspicious) planet in his horoscope, there was no prospect of any issue to him in this life. But he had great faith in Baba. When he went to Shirdi, two hours after the receipt of the mango parcel, for worshipping Baba, He said, "Though other people are looking for the mangoes, they are Dammya's. He whose they are, should 'eat and die'." Damu Anna on hearing these words was first shocked, but on Mhalsapati (a prominent Shirdi devotees) explaining to him that death meant the death of the little self or egos, and to have it at Baba's Feet was a blessing, he said that he would accept the fruits and eat them. But Baba said to him. "Do not eat yourself, but give them to your junior wife. This Amra-Leela (mango miracle of 4 mangoes) will give her
four sons and four daughters. This was done and ultimately in due course it was found Baba's words turned out true and not those of the astrologers.
Baba's speech established its efficacy or greatness while He was living in the flesh, but wonder of wonders! It did the same even after His passing away. Baba said - "Believe Me, though I pass away, My bones in My tomb will give you hope and confidence. Not only Myself but My tomb would be speaking, moving and communicating with those who would surrender themselves whole-heartedly to Me. Do not be anxious that I would be absent from you. You will hear My bones speaking and discussing your welfare. But remember Me always, believe in Me heart and soul and then you will be most benefited.
Prayer
Hemadpant closes this Chapter with a prayer. "Oh Sai Sad-guru, the wish fulfilling tree of the Bhaktas, Let us never forget and lose sight of Your Feet; we have been troubled with the ins and outs (births and deaths) in this samsar; now free us from this cycle of births and deaths. Restrain us from the outgoing of our senses to their objects and introvert us and bring us face to face with the Atma (Self). As long as this outgoing tendency of the senses and the mind is not checked, there is no prospect of self-realisation. Neither son, nor wife nor friend will be of any use in the end. It is only You, Who will give us salvation and happiness. Destroy completely our tendency for discussions and other evil matters, let out tongue get a passion for chanting Your name. Drive out our thoughts, good or otherwise and make us forget our bodies and houses, and do away with our egoism. Make us ever remember Your name and forget all other things. Remove the restlessness of our mind, and make it
steady and calm. If you just clasp us, the darkness of night of our ignorance will vanish and we shall live happily in Your light. That You made us drink the nectar of Your Leelas and awakened us from our slumber is due to Your grace and our store of merits in past births".
Note :- In this connection the following extract from Damu Anna's statement mentioned above, is worth perusal, (Page 76).
"Once when I sat at His Feet along with many others, I had two questions in my mind and He gave answers to both.
(1) There are so many crowding to Sai Baba. Do they all get benefit from Him?
To this, He replied orally - "Look at the mango tree in blossom. If all the flowers brought fruit, what a splendid crop it would be. But do they? Most fall off (either as flowers or as unripe fruits) by wind etc. Very few remain".
(2) The second question was about myself. If Baba were to pass away, how hopelessly adrift I would be and how am I to fare then? To this Baba answered that He would be with me when and wherever I thought of Him. That promise He had kept up before 1918 and has been keeping up after 1918. He is still with me. He is still guiding me. This was about 1910-11, when brothers separated from me and my sister died, and there was a theft and police enquiry, all of which incidents upset me very much.
When my sister died, my mind was much upset. I did not care for life and enjoyments. When I went to Baba, He pacified me with His Upadesh and made me eat a feast of Pooran Poli at Appa Kulkarni's house and get pasted with sandal.
There was a theft in my house. A thirty year's friend of mine stole my wife's jewel-box, including her auspicious Nathi (nose-ring). I wept before Baba's photo. The next day, the man returned the jewel-box and prayed for pardon.
Bow to Shri Sai - Peace be to all
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:53:21 -0000
From: "rajvanshi_ankur" <rajvanshi_ankur@yahoo.com>
Subject: Information to add a new member
OM SAI RAM
It is a humble request,that can anyone please let me knwo how to add
new member or can anyone just add one of my friend with an id
yasodha_d@yahoo.com.
BOLO SAMASTH SADGURU SHRI SAINATH MAHARAJ KI JAI
ankur
--- In shirdibabasaisharan@yahoogroups.com, MAHAJAN ANIL
<mahajan_anil@y...> wrote:
> Dear somasekhar,
> I have really a pity for you.You are the true bhakt of
> Baba who pleaded to your wife to stay and not to go
> towards Divorce, and your wife she thinks that she is
> devotee of baba i can not believe and i really laugh
> that Baba told her not to stay with you even your her
> mother in law also requested her.Shame on that type of
> Bhakta who blame every thing on Baba.
> Can you imaging Baba will say you leave him because he
> is my bhakat.
> Some thing fishy
> may god bring peace in your family.But I don't like
> this type of bhakat who do Natak that baba said to her
> not to stay.Do you think that she is true bhakta think
> may god bless you
> Anil
>
> --- Kishmoo <pn.kishmoo@t...> wrote:
> > sairam somasekhar,
> >
> > I am really very much shocked to note that not
> > attending a party in friends house for a day made
> > your wife to think to live separately. Marriage knot
> > is not so light to take is lightly. baba says,
> > service starts at home. we shd be a good devotee in
> > our house then we shd go out for service. Pls read
> > satacharita and follow baba's sayings.I tell you,
> > between husband and wife there shd not be any ego
> > problem. Always try to convince and get things done.
> > Just because you are the husband don't ever think
> > that she shd always be your listener. u shd also
> > listen. May be, her state of mind on that day does
> > not permitted her to attend the party. it is ok past
> > is past. Tell your wife, not to get upset and go
> > into deep to divorce level. may be she might have
> > had bitter experience earlier also. Not for this
> > silly reason she wl go to this extent. Without
> > knowing the full background we cannot say. but I
> > request your wife, be a good devotee. Baba says to
> > adjust with everybody and get along. He says to love
> > our enemy first as sai is with him also. In this
> > case, when we are devotee of baba, when baba has
> > told to love our enemy, where the question of
> > divorce. when we follow the footsteps of baba, we
> > shd see baba in everybody's heart. baba is with u
> > and baba with in the heart of your wife. separating
> > each other is separating baba. when you both are
> > one, where is question of tossing? it is not
> > applicable for husband and wife.pls try to
> > understand each other and be united. your next mail
> > shd be written jointly with a very good baba's
> > message.
> >
> > JAI SAIRAM
> >
> > KRISHNAMURTHY P N
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Somasekhar Bangalore <sbangalore@z...>
> > To: shirdibabasaisharan@yahoogroups.com
> > <shirdibabasaisharan@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:15 PM
> > Subject: [shirdibabasaisharan] Prayers Needed to get
> > my wife back
> >
> >
> > Om Sai Ram,
> >
> > I had a fight with my wife last month over a very
> > petty issue , you would laugh if I say what the
> > issue about, It was should we go for lunch to a
> > friend's place or not.
> > She said she is not coming, I insisted that we
> > should go, cos all my friends were coming from long
> > distance,infact one had come from USA on a vacation.
> > I became very angry and I started the argument ,
> > she also started the argument.the fire didn't cool
> > down till my mother-in-law intervened.
> >
> > we both are baba devotees .we usually toss a coin
> > when are in predicament.it seems she put toss in
> > front of baba's photo and asked baba , should she
> > stay with me.
> > it seems that baba told her not to be with me.now
> > she is insisting that she want's divorce. The next
> > day, I also put a toss in front of baba's photo,
> > should I leave her or not.
> > baba told me not to leave her.
> >
> > Now we are in a mess.I am really confused. I really
> > love my wife very much.I have told her i am sorry
> > about the incident, even then she is not willing to
> > stay with me. Even my mother-in-law is also
> > convincing her to stay with me. But she is very
> > adamant that baba has told her to leave me. She
> > say's she want's divorce at any cost.
> > what should I do ?I can't work properly at my work
> > place.My mind is not at ease.
> >
> > I request you all Sai Devotees to pray for me ,so
> > that my wife stays with me,Baba alone can pull me
> > out of this mess.
> >
> > Om Sai Ram
> > Somasekhar
> >
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rekha Tyagi <rekhatanvi@yahoo.com>
Subject: OM SAI SHRI SAI JAI JAI SAI!
Dear Sai Bandhus,
Please pray for my mom who is going to have knee surgery tommorrow. She has been suffering from pain in legs for many years and got many treatments but all in vain. May this operation heal her pains with grace of Baba! Please include my mother's name for praying this sunday. so that her healing can be fast.
SAB KA MALIK EK.
OM SAI SHRI SAI JAI JAI SAI.
Avin and Rekha.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: vagga venkateswarulu <venkat_vagga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Your e-mail of 8 June 2004......please join together happily
Dear Sai devotee,
Yesterday while walking on road suddenly i started to
think about your problem then got some answer from
baba. I also decided to share if i receive any mail
regarding your problem i will send you my thoughts
else i leave. so i have to reply now.
1. we have to remember Mrs.Satnakar wish to visit her
relatives home and stay three days then how baba ruled
off Mr.Satnakar decision.
2. your wife is a sai devotee, sai never allowed any
one intervene in between HIM and a devotee. if she
would have told him to do so, she is blessed to follow
sai order. vice versa you have received order from
baba, so you have blessed to follow it. i believe baba
asks us those things which we can do happily and
fullfill his order. He will never see us to fail in
it. only we have to remember his two words shradda and
saburi.
i had two questions, why you are asking others to
intervene in your matter by overruling babas direct
order. why you are asking others to tell your wife
doesnt follow babas order. :-D
baba always fullfill devotees desires and give
happiness. in this case your desire to be with her put
faith on HIM, soon HE will fullfill it. some how you
both receive a direct order from HIM as final solution
please have faith dont loose it.
sorry, if i have hurt you,
om sairam,
venkat
--- Krishnan Ramaswamy <ramasayee@hotmail.com> wrote:
---------------------------------
Dear saibandhu,
Tossing a coin to decide to live together or separate
is not at all advisable in life..Lord Sainath never
tolerate such means of toss for living together or not
for a couple........who are living happily in all
these years. Petty quarrel in domestic life is very
common in every one's life and we have to adjust for
such petty things in course of time.....by a day or
two...
Please join together and live happily and Lord Sai
will take care of you both in life...
Yours in sai service,
K.Ramaswamy,
former President of All India Sai
Samaj,chennai................aged around 68now.
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>Subject: [shirdibabasaisharan] Your e-mail of 8 June
2004......
>Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:14:04 +0100 (BST)
>
>Dear Somasekhar,
>
>Thanks for your e-mail....I have had 10 years of
>spiritual experience with Baba and have complete
faith
>in him but this is not the way for your wife to make
a
>decision related to Baba....
>
>In my book on Spirituality (see attached) I have
>described my personal psychic experiences and have
>also talked of negative experiences and added "do not
>do anything that is destructive and your heart does
>not believe"....
>
>Please tell your wife that if Baba had to tell her to
>leave you it would be done normally in a dream
>sequence and not in the flip of a coin, also he would
>show himself in person in her dream, if he wanted her
>to make such a decision....the flip of a coin is not
>normally the way he operates. In any case, if you are
>both happy together, he would not give such negative
>advise - if at all, its a negative influence!
>
>It is good to have faith in Baba but it must be
>founded on genuine experiences and not ones that we
>conjur up ourselves.....
>
>Give her a copy of this e-mail and please tell her to
>feel free to write to me if she wants to.
>
>Happy to be of any help possible.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Rohan
>****************
>Om Sai Ram,
>
>I had a fight with my wife last month over a very
>petty issue , you would laugh if I say what the issue
>about, It was should we go for lunch to a friend's
>place or not.
>She said she is not coming, I insisted that we should
>go, cos all my friends were coming from long
>distance,infact one had come from USA on a vacation.
>I became very angry and I started the argument , she
>also started the argument.the fire didn't cool down
>till my mother-in-law intervened.
>
> we both are baba devotees .we usually toss a coin
>when are in predicament.it seems she put toss in
front
>of baba's photo and asked baba , should she stay with
>me.
>it seems that baba told her not to be with me.now she
>is insisting that she want's divorce. The next day, I
>also put a toss in front of baba's photo, should I
>leave her or not.
>baba told me not to leave her.
>
>Now we are in a mess.I am really confused. I really
>love my wife very much.I have told her i am sorry
>about the incident, even then she is not willing to
>stay with me. Even my mother-in-law is also
convincing
>her to stay with me. But she is very adamant that
baba
>has told her to leave me. She say's she want's
divorce
>at any cost.
>what should I do ?I can't work properly at my work
>place.My mind is not at ease.
>
>I request you all Sai Devotees to pray for me ,so
that
>my wife stays with me,Baba alone can pull me out of
>this mess.
>
>Om Sai Ram
>Somasekhar
>
>Note: forwarded message attached.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:23:20 -0000
From: "saibanisa2" <saibanisa2@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: The Glory of Shirdi Sai - Issue 12-2004
THE GLORY OF SHIRDI SAI
Published Bi-Weekly
Issue 12/2004
10-06-2004
Please visit our Web site: http://www.saidarbar.org
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THIS ISSUE CONTAINS:
1. THE GLORY - - E-MAGAZINE
2. VISWASAIDARBAR
3. SAI'S NEWS FROM TIME MACHINE
4. SAI PHILOSOPHY
5. WHAT IS SAIDARBAR?
6. SAI IN LETTERS
7. CORRESPONDENCE COURSE ON BHAGAVAD -GITA
8. QUINTESSENCE OF SRI SAIBABA'S PHILOSOPHY
9. DEVOTEES EXPERIENCES
10. SAI WITH CHILDREN
11. ARTICLES FROM SAI DEVOTEES
12. LETTERS FROM SAI DEVOTEES
13. FROM SAI ORGANISATIONS
14. EDITOR'S DESK
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Please visit: http://www.ebooks.vijishvanya.com/shirdi/emagazine.htm
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2.VISWASAI DARBAR: would you like to join?
Visit http://www.saidarbar.org/viswasaidarbar.htm
For further details contact saidarbar@hotmail.com
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3. SAI'S NEWS FROM THE TIME MACHINE:
June 1911: Kashinath Govind Upasani visited Shirdi for the first
time at the age of 41 years.
June 1929: Hemadri Pant (Anna Saheb Dhabolkar) completed writing Sai
Satcharitra in Marathi.
June 1940: Sakhram Balvanth, a staunch devotee of Baba and an
advocate from Nashik passed away at the age of 67 years due to heart
attack.
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4. SAI PHILOSOPHY:
SAI PHILOSOPHY FROM THE DIARY OF SAI.BA.NI.SA.
These messages are the outcome and essence of the dream sequences of
Saibanisa as given by Lord Sainath, which reflect the Sai Philosophy
and his high thinking. They carry a sense of deep meaning and are
generally thought provoking, enough to set one's thinking process.
Translated and presented by RAGHU RAMAN SATULURY
96) 9th March, 1997: There is no need to wear "SAFFRON" robes to
show your "RENOUNCEMENT" of the world. Be detached mentally and work
silently for "SELF REALIZATION"
97) 12thMarch, 1997: To desire ruin of others is beastly and to
desire good for others is humanity. Love is divine and born out of
this very cause. Extend love towards fellow beings for realization
of "GOD"
98) 20thMarch, 1997: I prefer those who constantly utter my name
rather than to those who worship my "IDOL" mechanically.
99) 27thMarch, 1997: Some people rob others of riches without being
noticed. Some people do the same thing with pretence of love and
affection. Both belong to the same class.
100) 29thMarch, 1997 I shall expose, and punish those erring. When
in distress think of me. I shall come to you in some form or other
to offer my protection.
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5. WHAT IS SAIDARBAR?
For answer please browse: http://www.saidarbar.org/saidarbar1.htm
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6. SAI IN LETTERS:
Madhusudhan Nori, Hyderabad, India
nomavi@satyam.net.in
SAI IN LETTERS (Saibanisa's letters to his Son)
http://www.saidarbar.org/HTML/ocean_of_mercy/sai3.jpg
Translated from the Telugu original into English by Sri Sai Devotee
Madhusudan Nori.
Secunderabad - 28 February 2000.
I request the readers to read first Sri Sai Satcharitra in English
by Late Sri Nagesh Vasudev Gunaji, before reading these letters.
http://www.geocities.com/seenukv/day-01-thu.htm
OM SAI
HYDERABAD
11 February 1992
Letter - 37 (Chapter - 39)
Dear Chakrapani,
Sri Hemadri Pant described in detail Sri Sai's knowledge of Sanskrit
and construction Of Booty Wada (Stone Masonry mansion built by Sri
Booty with blessings of Sri Sai) in this chapter. Love and adoration
of Sri Sai, by the residents of Shirdi village, has been narrated in
this chapter. Particular time and place have not been specified for
taking Sri Sai's name but anyone can meditate on HIS name at any
place and time. Sri Sai interpreted well a sloka (poem) in Sanskrit
language from Srimad Bhagawad Gita (A Hindu classic in which Lord
Krishna enlightens Arjuna before the commencement of the battle at
Kurukshetra in Mahabharata). Note the subtle way in which Sri Sai
pricked the inflated balloon called ego of Sri Nanasaheb Chandorkar,
who prided himself to be an expert Scholar of Sanskrit language. The
purpose of education is acquisition of knowledge by each and every
individual and dispelling the darkness of ignorance from others. But
Nanasaheb's knowledge of Sanskrit made his ego bloat up. Sri Sai,
during his conversation with Nanasaheb, explained the meaning of the
Sanskrit sloka (poem) and its nuances in a simple language and
subdued Nanasaheb's ego. Imagine what could be the message being
conveyed to us by Sri Sai through such incidents. I will now write
the aspects, of that Sanskrit Sloka, liked by me, so read on.
Driving away ignorance is acquiring knowledge and wisdom. Expelling
darkness is obtaining light. Eradication of the principle of duality
is being aware of non-dualism. When we think in terms of these
strains, we remember the wise words of our elders. If you do no harm
to your contemporaries it is as good as doing a favor to them.
If you desist from deriding GOD and YOGI (GOD realized soul) it is
as good as worshipping them. Aren't these words full of wisdom? We
must always remember these words in our minds. Now let us consider
the Samadhi Mandir (a place of permanent rest and temple) built by
Sri Gopal Mukund Booty in Shirdi. Are you astonished by Sri Sai
simultaneously appearing in a dream on a night to Shyama and Booty
and telling them to build a wada (mansion) along with a temple for
him? We can understand from this occurrence that Sri Sai is GOD
himself and hence HE can simultaneously appear, either in his
physical form or as a vision in a dream, to HIS devotees at
different places. Sri Sai, when HE was alive in HIS physical form in
Shirdi in those days, simultaneously appeared in a dream as a vision
to two devotees and told them what HE wanted them to do. In the
present times, when Sri Sai is no longer physically present in
Shirdi, HE still appears as a vision in dreams of HIS devotees. We
can infer from the foregoing that there is no Death for Sri Sai in
those days, at present times and in future yet to come and that HE
is Omnipresent at all times.
I realized and accepted the statement, Baba and Muralidhara (one who
holds flute - another name of Lord Krishna) are one and the same,
made in this chapter as true. This realization happened on a
Thursday 14 December 1989, the day your elder sister bought
Panchaloha (an alloy of 5 metals) idols of Sri Sainath and
Muralidhara at Bangalore and presented them to me. Your sister did
not know much about Sri Sai on that day i.e. 14 Dec 89 and it is my
firm belief that Sri Sainath himself inspired her to purchase those
two idols and made her present them to me.
In service of Sri Sai,
Your father.
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8.QUINTESSENCE OF SRI SAIBABA'S PHILOSOPHY:
(By Late Sri Bharam UmamaheswaraRao)
"Shashi": shashi_31@yahoo.com
81. don't habituate to preach. That increases the ego. Bind your
heart with pious thoughts and practice them. Believe all your
hardships are of Me. Think that your body is purely temporary.
82. Know the difference between the `GUNA' and `GUNI'. Hate sin but
not the sinner. Do not think that all shall remain thankful to you.
83. Whatever work you do, do it with full devotion (Aradhana and
Maharadhana). Make your life fruitful. Do not lose your mental
balance on getting happiness or unhappiness. They always follow one
another.
84. Learn to sympathize with bad people and also love those who
follow the path of Adharma. Then only your lives will have Divine
Bliss.
85. Do not compel anybody to do anything that is not to their
liking. Grief and hardships are not the result of Karma but of lust.
The main cause of this are selfish thoughts and passion. You will be
righteous, if you remove your Ahankara and Mamakara.
86. You will be trapped if you go into the worldly vanavasa. All
this is because of your mind. You reap results in accordance with
your thoughts and deeds.
87. Don't discuss unnecessary things. That would bring you harm.
Shed all your worries and have unflinching devotion and faith in Me.
88. One God, one Universe, one pure Spirit that is all the truth.
89. Complete surrender of the ego to the Divine "I" in man is the
only way to reach this plan of harmonious vision.
90. Awake from the mental delusion and the seeming tangle of
dualities. Rise above the intellect to higher planes of Truth-
Conscious Bliss.
To be continued.
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9. DEVOTEES EXPERIENCES:
From a Sai devotee:
I want to share with you a story of how Baba helped me in my times
of utter need. I went overseas on a trip and forgot some important
documents at home. I could not finish my assignment and return
without having the documents. I called and had my family search my
study for the documents. They kept saying that they could not find
it. I was thousands of miles away and after all the money spent and
travel time, I just felt stupid and useless. How was I going to face
my peers? How was I going to face my Boss?
I sat down in the Hotel room, prayed to Shri Sai Baba and started
reading the Sai Satcharita Book, which I had taken along with me.
The next day I called home again and had no luck. This happened the
next day too. By that time, with nothing else to do, I had almost
finished 3/4 of the book. Finally, resigning to the situation, I
resolved to finish the book and prayed to Baba again.
The fourth day the miracle happened. No sooner that I had finished
reading the last page of the book, I got a phone call from my family
saying they found the documents and were sending it to me by
courier. My joy knew no bounds and my eyes were filled with tears.
The documents reached me in a day and I finished my assignment and
returned with great success. As it turned out that while packing my
bags, I had put the documents in the inside cover of the portfolio,
which I was not supposed to carry. On the third day, my uncle got a
dream at 3 a.m. that the only place he had not checked was the
portfolio cover and he woke up to see if the documents were there.
This was the same time while I was about to finish the Sai
Satcharita thousands of miles away.
I do not know what else to say except that I bow and pray to Shri
Sai. Strange are his ways to get things done.
May peace be with you.
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10. SAI WITH CHILDREN:
http://www.saidarbar.org/HTML/portraits/7.jpg
Smt. Madhu Gopal Ravada, Saidarbar, Hyderabad.
Hello Children! I am Madhu aunty. Do you know Baba use to play with
children and used to tell stories to them? I felt children visiting
Saidarbar should be entertained with good stories. Baba told before
He took His Maha Samadhi that He is Muralidhar and would like to
play in Booty Wada (Samadhi Mandir) with His devotees. So I started
Krishna Leelas with effect from the first issue of New Year 2004.
Study well and learn good manners. Tell your parents to read the
Glory of Shirdi Sai - Fortnightly E-magazine and narrate Krishna
Leelas from this magazine.
Shifting to Vrindavan:
Gokul was a small, peaceful, sleepy village before Krishna was
born. But after that the village life was disturbed with all sorts
of demons and witches and evil forces visiting the village. Also
strange things kept taking place and only the grace of Lord Vishnu
saved the poor villagers. It seemed misfortunes had befriended
Gokul. Somehow things were managed. So the village elders met and
expressed desire that they all shift to Vrindavan. Vrindavan was
situated on the bank of river Yamuna and was a little woods. It was
not very far from Gokul. It was full of green grass and was a
beautiful and quiet place. The elders thought it right that their
children should grow up there. Everyone Oked this decision. The
makes returned to their homes and informed the womenfolk to start
their packing. The same night the cowherds set off for Vrindavan.
The cattle were driven first. The bullocks were attached to the
carts. The women and children sat on bullock-carts along with their
belongings. All of them were very excited. Even the dogs were
excited as they ran after the bullock carts. Controlling the
children was a difficult job as they were enjoying this adventure.
The gopis were singing beautiful songs as the carts moved on their
way. The shifting to Vrindavan was completed in peace and no
incident occurred.
When they reached Vrindavan they all became busy setting up
their new homes. It was indeed a beautiful place. The river Yamuna
flowed nearby and the sacred mountain Govardhana over-looked the
place. The children and gopis were very happy at this new
settlement. Each day the cowherds would take their cattle to graze
in the lush green grasslands of Vrindavan. The region was very
fertile and they could cultivate enough for their requirements.
Krishna and Balaram grew in such environment. Other cowherds of
their age were given calves to take out for grazing. Krishna and
Balaram also requested that they be sent with cows. But Nand was
fearful of the demons and other evil forces that were hell bent to
harm them. Though there had been no such incident in Vrindavan, Nand
did not want to take any risk. The memories of Gokul were still in
his mind. But ultimately he had to give up to their demands and
permitted them to go along with other cowherds.
Both the brothers were very happy. They would leave home early in
the morning along with their friends and the calves. The mothers
would pack their lunches in neat white pieces of cloth. After
leaving the calves to graze the boys would play for the whole day.
Krishna would always lead them and they simply followed him. They
would think of new games and ways of merriment. When they tired they
would together sit under the shady trees and have their lunch. They
used to share their lunch and each boy offered Krishna whatever all
they had brought. Then they would take their afternoon rest and go
in the woods to pick up fruits and berries. Their parents had given
them instructions not to go deep into the woods and stay at the edge
of forest where they usually played. They would return to their
homes in the evenings their calves.
The children played many games but Krishna's favorite game was hide
and seek. At times he would simply disappear and let the other
cowherds search him for hours. When they used to get tired he would
appear before them smilingly. Sometimes the cowherds feared that he
has fallen into some trouble but would ease up when they saw him
smiling. Krishna also liked to play the flute. His flute recital was
so melodious that whoever heard it just wanted to keep hearing it.
Even the cows would forget grazing and used to come near him. The
gopis too would leave all their important work and rush to listen to
his flute. They would even start dancing. Even the birds stopped
chirping. All of them were passing their days happily in Vrindavan.
....To be continued.
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11. ARTICLES FROM SAIDEVOTEES:
"Arun Reddy" : arunreddy_n@yahoo.com
Bhakthi Maala :
On this GuruPoornima day, humbly we offer our obeisance at thy Lotus
Feet. Bless us with the choicest gifts from Your Treasure Box. Sri
Hemadpant came to Shirdi on account of the stored merit of his
Punyakarmas. You were standing in the corner of Sathe's wada. He
ran, prostrated before you. Joy knew no bounds. He found more than
what he had heard from Nana Chandorkar. All his senses were pacified
and he forgot thirst and hunger. As he touched Your sacred feet, he
began a new lease on life. You held his hand and never let go.
Gaulibuva came for your Divya Darshan every year and testified with
great faith that you are Pandharinath Vithal incarnate, the merciful
Lord of the poor and the helpless. Sri Dasganu had a desire to visit
holy Prayag You showed with mercy, Ganga and Yamuna flowing from
Your Toes. Such is the significance of Your holy feet. That is where
live all the Thirthas of your Bhaktas.
You came to Shirdi as a young lad. Just like Krishna, children
looked at You with awe and old ladies' hearts swelled up with
motherly affection. At Your very first Darshan, Mahalspati heart
cried out, YA SAI and You became our Sai. Bless us with the same
wealth that You blessed your Mahalspati with. Saint Gangagir came to
Shirdi & seeing you carrying pitchers of water in both hands for
watering the garden was amazed at Your Darshan and said, "Blessed is
Shirdi that it got this precious Jewel; but He is not an ordinary
fellow. As the land was lucky & meritorious, it secured this
Jewell". Saint of Anandmath was lucky to find pure diamond like you.
Such was the efficacy of Your Darshan that it quieted our Samsar.
Just Your Darshan fulfilled Mr. Cholkar's desires. Mr. Sathe
resorted to Your feet and seeing Your form, which was like eternal
Brahma, luminous, spotless and pure, his mind became calm and
composed.
Such was the efficacy of Your Darshan that Bhakta Pant saw his guru
in You and was blessed with fearlessness. Ramdas Bhakta devotee saw
her beloved Deity Rama in You. Lala Lakshmichand was so happy to
have Your Darshan that he was enrapt with Your Lotus Feet as a bee
with a sweet smelling Rose. Kakaji Vaidya found that there was no
benediction, no words, just Your Divya Darshan filled his whole
being with peace. Darveshis came with their sick Tiger at Your door
for You to cure him. Tiger's head hung down on account of luster on
Your face. Such fortune to have death at Your Lotus Feet.
Baba, On this GuruPoornima day, bless us with the Vision like you
blessed Anandrao Pakhade. Let us decorate our Hridya simhasan with
gold and diamonds of all Satwick vrittis. Reside our Deva, take Your
Feet out of Your Kafni and let us change the directions of our lives
towards the Satyapath. Let us direct all our senses towards our eyes
wherein live You my Sai. We have placed Your Padukas in our heart.
Murmur with Your sweet voice, Your eternal message that "THESE ARE
THE FEET OF THE LORD". Baba, instill Your Shashwat Sandesh in our
ears, "OH! WHAT IS THERE IN AKKALKOT, and WHAT IS THERE IN PRAYAG"?
THE RANCHOD OF DWARKA IS IN SHIRDI. Come to our house for Bhiksha
and let us serve You with our sweet devotion. Be pleased with it and
placing Your Varda Hastha on our heads, comfort us by saying, "THESE
FEET ARE OLD AND HOLY, YOU ARE CAREFREE NOW. PLACE ENTIRE FAITH IN
ME AND YOU WILL SOON GET YOUR OBJECT."
(A contribution by SathyaBhama Sharma, Maryland, USA)
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12. LETTERS FROM SAIDEVOTEES:
Date: 5/31/2004 21:07:53 -0700
Shirdi Saibandhu: saibandhu@yahoo.com
SaiRam!
We would like to also invite you and your Saidarbar Parivaar for the
Gurupoornima celebrations in Bay Area, CA on July 10th.We request
your assistance in posting the GuruPoornima celebrations event
invitation on your web-site and in your weekly newsletters.
Appreciate your assistance.
regards
Saibandhus
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5/31/2004 11:25:46 -0400
"Sai Book Centre Canada": saibooks@hotmail.com
Sai Ram!
Swami is God eternal. Sai Sat Charita is a wonderful book by Gunaji
describng Swami's divine majesty. Reader's benefit tremendously by
reading it because of the simplicity in His teachings. Our bookstore
is a non-profit volunteer run organization. There is a steady
request of Sai Satcharita by the spiritual seekers of many languages
and cultural background. Please let me know how we can obtain the
book in English and Tamil languages. We will be very obliged if you
can provide the information of a supplier, the cost of the books etc
at earliest convenience.
Warm Regards,
Sai Ram Subrata Mitra
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5/31/2004 06:55:04 +1000
"Gaja Param" gajalakshmi_param@bigpond.com
SaiRam!
Thank you for including me in your mailing list. I will read, the E-
magazine "The Glory of Shirdi Sai" and then communicate with
you.
Regards,
Gaja
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13. FROM SAI ORGANISATIONS:
Visit http://faith.Ocatch.com/index.html for Saidarbar -Chennai -
India activities.
Visit http://www.angelfire.com/sd/SaidarbarCanberra/index.html for
SAIDARBAR - Canberra - Australia activities.
Visit http://www.viswasaidarbar.com for SAIDARBAR - London
Activities.
Visit http://www.saidarbarusa.org for SAIDARBAR - Walling ford
Activities
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himachandra Bollineni" hima_chandra@hotmail.com
Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:57:59 -0700
Guru Poornima at HTCC Temple -U.S.A
All Sai devotees,
We are happy to inform you that HTCC Temple is celebrating Guru
Poornima Celebrations at HTCC Temple on 1st July, 2004 - Thursday.
The following will be the schedule of activities on Guru Poornima
day.
6.30 A.M. Aarathi to Sri Sai Baba 12.30 P.M. Aarathi to Sri Sai
Baba and prasadam distribution
6.30 P.M. Aarathi to Sri Sai Baba 7.00 P.M. Vyasa Pooja and Vishnu
Sahasra Namam
8.30 P.M. Aarathi to Sri Sai Baba and prasadam distribution.
In between the above programs, reading Sai Satcharithra, Nama Japam
and Bhajans will be there subject to availability of time and
devotees participation. Please inform the above program to all the
devotees, participate in the celebrations and get the Blessings of
Sri Shirdi Sai Baba.
If you need any further information please visit www.htccwa.org.
Thanks
Sai Devotees
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Atlanta Sai Temple News" atlantasai@hotmail.com
Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:25:24 -0400
Dear Sai Devotees,
Our tradition of celebrating Sai Vrath on every Second Saturday
continues...June 12, 2004 is the next pooja. Please bring your
friends and family to witness this pooja and receive His blessings!
SAI VRATH on June 12, 2004 between 3:00pm - 5:30pm
Venue: Atlanta Sai Temple (NASSTA) 700 James Burgess Road, Suwanee,
GA 30024
www.templeofpeace.org
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Date: 5/31/2004 21:07:53 -0700
Shirdi Saibandhu: saibandhu@yahoo.com
GuruPoornima celebrations in Bay Area, CA - Invitation
SaiRam!
We welcome all of you with family, to join us for SHIRDI SAI
GURUPOORNIMA CELEBRATIONS Celebrations in
the Bay Area, CA on July 10th (Saturday) in Sunnyvale between 4:00
p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Venue: Las Palmas Park Building 850 Russet Drive Sunnyvale, CA
(Located off of Remington Dr. and Spinosa Dr.) SaiBandhus
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shanthi@sigmacgi.com
Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:07:30 PM
Sai Darbar activities -Portland OR USA
Sai Ram
We had a wonderful 11th session of our Saidarbar on May 21st Friday.
We started the session with OM, Gayatri and Sai Gayatri followed by
Sai Ashtothram. We sang a Ganseh Bhajan. Then we read 15th & 16/17th
chapters in Sai Satcharitra. Saidarbar was concluded with Aarti&
Mahaprasad.
Thank you for your support.
Shanthi
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info@dwarakamaishirdi.org
7 Jun 2004 13:18:11 -0000
Guru Purnima / Bhoomi Pooja - July 2nd 2004
Shirdi Saibaba Temple Flushing, NY
On Guru Purnima day this July 2nd, 2004, we will have much to
celebrate as we break ground for the new Shirdi Saibaba Temple in
Flushing, NY. It has taken us ten long years to reach this
milestone. We can finally move out of the current temple setting in
the house, into the temporary trailer room during the construction
of the larger temple with all the requisite facilities: worship and
meditation halls, library, kitchen and a dining area. The house
will make way for the new temple on the same site.
We welcome you to join us for the groundbreaking ceremony. This is
a unique opportunity for you to participate in an auspicious
ceremony for a sacred project.
For information and schedules, please contact the Temple or visit
the web site at www.dwarakamaishirdi.org
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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: From Haider Ali Agha
From: "parthasinha1" <parthasinha1@yahoo.com>
2. Re: From Haider Ali Agha
From: "sudheesh_s" <sudheesh007@hotmail.com>
3. Re: From Haider Ali Agha
From: "kalidas1957" <cintamani@lycos.co.uk>
4. Re: SRK and other religions
From: Stephen <bummer1962@yahoo.com>
5. Jai Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa!
From: lata bhambwani <mohini_lata@yahoo.com>
6. Re: SRK and other religions
From: Stephen <bummer1962@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Re: From Haider Ali Agha
From: Haider Ali Agha <haider37@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Regarding meditation and japam
From: Krishna Prasad Akkineni <krishna.akkineni@wipro.com>
9. Re:SRK and other religions
From: "Hafizullah" <hafizullah@aol.com>
10. Sri Ramakrishna and Islam.
From: Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01@yahoo.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:20:02 -0000
From: "parthasinha1" <parthasinha1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: From Haider Ali Agha
--- In Ramakrishna@yahoogroups.com, "Vivekananda Centre"
<vivekananda@b...> wrote:
> From: "Haider Ali Agha" <haider37@y...>
> To: <Ramakrishna@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 03:24
> Subject: Re: [Sri Ramakrishna] SRK and other religions
>
>
....
> Would you please tell me links from where i can
> downaload e-book entitled ' gospel of Sri
> Ramakrishna'.....
You can find the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda and links to
the Gospel at www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info
Partha
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:35:26 -0000
From: "sudheesh_s" <sudheesh007@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: From Haider Ali Agha
I thank you for that lovely message. I think it's important not to
codemn other religions without intensely and earnestly studying the
tenets, philosophy and scriptures of that religion. To merely
condemn Islam, would be as riduculous as charging Hinduism as mere
idolatory, ignoring the lofty heights of the contemplative and
experiential philosophy of the Upanishads and the vedanata
commentaries etc.
Indeed, we need more people to do this; not to be afraid of
admitting the weaknesses of one's religion n accept the goodpoints
of others...that's when dialogue begins and when we can begin to see
the good aspects within other traditions. If Mr Haider was not in
this group, we would have gone off at a tangent of Islam bashing and
condemning it as a simplistic religion of the sword, where as in
truth much of as have not even made a sincere attempt to deeply
understand the serious depths of its philosophy.
God bless!
Cheers,
Sudheesh
>
>
> I am lecturer in history in the city of Lahore,
> Pakistan. I am very fond of Hindu philosophy, though I
> come from Shia Muslim family. I mostly enjoy reading
> mails and up till now I have been quietly reading
> interesting mail from others. In The Quran, there are
> verses which using the word yatafakroon and yatbaroon
> emphaise the process of contemplation as an essential
> duty of Muslims. Quran mentions the necessity of
> contemaplation and meditation in good many places. If
> you give deep thought to Quran, you will know it.
> Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upn him)
> used to go the Cave Hira for meditation and
> contemplation before Quran was revealed to him by Arch
> Angel Gibrail......
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:44:05 -0000
From: "kalidas1957" <cintamani@lycos.co.uk>
Subject: Re: From Haider Ali Agha
--- In Ramakrishna@yahoogroups.com, "Vivekananda Centre"
<vivekananda@b...> wrote:
> From: "Haider Ali Agha" <haider37@y...>
> To: <Ramakrishna@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 03:24
> Subject: Re: [Sri Ramakrishna] SRK and other religions
>
>
> Dear Sir,
Thank you for this your interesting post. My view is that we must
seek out the similarities and points of contact and agreement
between the various world religions if we are to find a harmonious
way forward for all mankind( an approach I feel was exemplified by
Sri Ramakrishna and Swamiji). I would also like to add that Islamic
fundamentalism is hardly really any worse than Christian or Hindu
fundamentalism. It is 'fundamentalism ' itself which is a problem.
Shanti,
Kalidas.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen <bummer1962@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SRK and other religions
Haribol!
The Southern Baptists dubbed The Prophet as a "demon
possessed pedophile". He had no control over the angel
Gabriel and required others to write down the
revelations. And cultural taboos of today frown upon
His last marriage. However, was he not then "mad after
God(Allah)"? Those around truly god-intoxicated souls
will always declare them to be deranged. I view it as
a sad shame that we have all these major religions
which suppress the truly "god-possessed" souls. It is
the same with those today who think that the Absolute
is without form or personality. They have touched just
the surface and condemn those who know otherwise.
-Pranams
Stephen
--- Suresh Shenoy <sureshrshenoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SRK's Experiences of all religions...
> Secondly, in Raja Yoga, (Read in Vol 1 of Complete
> Works of SV, page 184) SV says that Mohammed
> practiced Raja Yoga incorrectly, and as a result he
> was a mentally deranged man.
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What man makes let man prescribe. What God makes let God prescribe.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:30:44 +0100 (BST)
From: lata bhambwani <mohini_lata@yahoo.com>
Subject: Jai Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa!
Om
At the Lotus Feet of Thakur, Mataji and Swamiji!
[The following is taken from "The Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna", Volume II, 'The Master's Reminiscences']
"Though the chatak bird is about to die of a parched throat, and around it there are seven oceans, rivers, and lakes overflowing with water, still it will not touch that water. Its throat is cracking with thirst, and still it will not drink that water. It looks up, mouth agape, for the rain to fall when the star Svati is in the ascendant. 'To the Chatak bird all waters are mere dryness beside Svati water.'
--Source: "The Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna", Volume II, 'The Master's Reminiscences'
Jai Sri Guru Maharaj Ji Ki Jai!
Shri Bhagwan Sharanam Mamah!
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen <bummer1962@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SRK and other religions
Haribol!
It was the same with Meister Eckhart. The organized
religion of Christianity rejected his mystical
experiences. Mohammed was a mystic, a true sufi. Islam
that you discuss is the orthodox view of the general
populace, not the true essence of religion which SRK
experienced and unified. Transcend the words and
propel your soul to the Source of all to unify the
essence of all religions.
-Pranams
Stephen
--- Suresh Shenoy <sureshrshenoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> After some weeks or so, he saw the vision of Prophet
> Mohammed and saw him entering his body (SRK's)...
> I find that there are no
> spiritual practices that Islam approves / preaches.
> It is mainly a way of life with "5 pillars" like
> prayers 5 times a day, Zakat, Hajj, etc. There is no
> concept of meditation, etc. God is not knowable and
> Prophet is just a human being who received messages
> from the angel Gabriel represented by God Allah.
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What man makes let man prescribe. What God makes let God prescribe.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Haider Ali Agha <haider37@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: From Haider Ali Agha
Dear Partha
I have already downloaded Sri Vivekananda's works and
studying them with profound interest. NOw I need the
Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna. I shall be grateful If you
let me know the link where I can download it from.
God bless you
with best wishes and high regards
H Ali Syed
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:57:05 +0530
From: Krishna Prasad Akkineni <krishna.akkineni@wipro.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding meditation and japam
Dear Sudheesh,
This is a good question and better to have the
answer from any monk of Ramakrishna Order.
My Pranaams to all the devotees of Sri Ramakrishna.
Krishna
sudheesh_s wrote:
> Dear friends,
> I am sorry if this sounds a bit foolish, but i just wanted to know
> what is the difference between japam and meditation according to the
> teachings of sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda. Is japam the
> continous conscious, attentive repetition of the mantra? now isnt
> that the same as meditation on a mantra? or does the meditation that
> ramakrishna and vivekananda inititated their disciples into entail
> some different practice?
> I hope we will have a discussion regarding methods of meditation and
> spiritual practice or sadhana in general, coz i think that it is the
> foundation stone of our religious practice and it's precisely in
> that, that most of us find problems in...
>
> Cheers,
> Sudheesh
>
>
> Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah
> Vivekananda Centre London
> http://www.vivekananda.co.uk
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:04:49 -0000
From: "Hafizullah" <hafizullah@aol.com>
Subject: Re:SRK and other religions
--- In Ramakrishna@yahoogroups.com, "kalidas1957" <cintamani@l...>
wrote:
> I would like to say that insofar as orthodox Islam is concerned
> there is, as you say, no method of spiritual awakening in the sense
> of meditation etc, and no real concept of God realization. However,
> within the Muslim Sufi tradititon such methods do exist, for
> example the practice of 'Zikr', repetition of a simple prayer that
> seems at least outwardly to bear some resemblance to Japa or Mantra
> Yoga. Also other methods are employed such as quite complex dances
> and so on.
> Perhaps some other group members may have more information on this.
>
> Hari Om.
>
> Kalidas.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Hafizullah and I am a
shaikh ("elder", roughly equivalent to "swami", I suppose) in the
Sufi Order International. This Order is a Western branch of the Sufi
lineage known as the Chishtiyya, which distinguished itself from the
source lineage in what is now Afghanistan over a thousand years ago,
was brought to India in the late 1100s CE, and to the West in 1910 by
Hazrat Inayat Khan. A regular member of your list forwarded the
above to me and suggested that I might be interested in posting a
reply.
First, it is necessary to understand that the Islam of the mosque and
the Islam of the Sufi orders are very different things. (There are
also Sufis who are not Muslims, just as there are yogis who are not
formal Hindus.) Islam, like most religions, certainly has that facet
which is basically about social structure and control. But that's
not all that's going on there. The Qur'an is a revealed scripture
and can be understood on 7 esoteric levels, just as can the stories
in the Ramayana. The esoteric understanding of the Qur'an was there
from the very beginning and was taught by the Prophet Mohammed to his
inner circle, which was then transmitted to the Sufis. However, as
is true in most religions, there is room in Islam for both esoteric
and exoteric interpretations but only the esotericists know it.
Within a generation of Mohammed's passing, the schism had formed
between the literalists and those on the path of God-realization,
with the former often persecuting the latter.
The transformational methodologies of the Sufis have been under
continuous development ever since then, building upon foundations
established as far back as the Egyptian Mysteries and including
initiatic streams from Judaism, Christianity, the Zoroastrian Magi,
and Central Asian shamanism. The Sufis have a very deep and highly-
developed technical toolbox supported by a subtle, complex and
detailed cosmology. There are practices of repetition of sacred
words and phrases (essentially a mantra yoga) breath practices
similar to pranayama (but with significant differences: no chin-
lock, for example), and a system of subtle centers called Latā'if
that are subtler than the chakras and some of which occur in
different places than the traditional locations for the chakras.
There are group practices similar to kirtan but also different in
significant ways, depending upon the particular Order and who is
conducting the circle. The circles of zikr are very disciplined
compared to the usual kirtan; it's often conducted standing, in a
circle or in parallel lines, everyone moving in unison. The body
movements are sometimes very wide, and there is often a deep rasping
breath in the chant that is very powerful in cutting through psycho-
emotional and subtle-energy blocks. The amount of energy moving in
these events is truly astounding, and one must be very grounded.
Sufi cosmology is built around the unity of God and manifestation,
with am emphasis on God's Immanence rather than God's Transcendence.
There is a whole framework of "planes" of existence, from the densest
to the subtlest out to the Absolute. What has been called the Arc of
Ascent is not dissimilar to yoga, but there is also the Arc of
Descent --- how the Divine Being exists and lives through, in, and AS
manifestation and multiplicity. The Sufis see one's whole life as
the dynamic unfolding of the soul --- including the ego and the
personality, and not something that happened once but is continually
renewed from the Source in every instant. In Sufism, the ego is not
the enemy, and we're not trying to suppress or kill it. The ego is a
point-of-view; you can't kill a point-of-view, but its character and
limitations can be seen for what they are. The ego is perceived and
treated, rather, as God's experience of multiplicity; the fundamental
identity looking out from behind your eyes is the selfsame one
looking out from behind mine, but "impressed" by the density of the
earth plane, physicality and emotions, and thus focused outwardly
rather than apprehending its own essence from the inside.
Put another way: If I'm interested in an apple at the top of the
apple tree, I can climb the tree for it, or I can get a hook and pull
the apple to me where I stand on the ground. Sufis meditate "up" but
also meditate "down." Divine Essence is experienced bodily as well
as abstractly. One experiences God in manifestation by a shift of
the focus of consciousness *and of identity*, something like shifting
the depth-of-field in an optical instrument, instead of
leaving "here" (the earth plane) to ascend to a hypothetical "there"
(samadhi). There is nowhere to "go" because there is nowhere and
nothing in which God is not present.
There is no doctrine of karma, as such; the impressions of past lives
are acknowledged but also embraced as a unique (and even valuable)
participation in God's unfolding Itself, *in us AS us*. In keeping
with the emphasis of God in Immanence, Sufism is interested in the
purpose of manifestation and uncovering the purpose of one's life,
which was set into the "substance" of the soul at its creation. God
can only be known in fullness if manifestation is embraced as God
embraces it, because God created this whole show in order to know
Itself in actuality as well as in unmanifest potential.
Purification, as in yoga, is the release of that which does not
properly belong to us. Purification is also the cultivation of the
Divine Qualities in one's being in a process of interior
harmonization; sometimes things that seem to be a wound or a karmic
burden can be resolved by the cultivation/manifestation of
appropriate qualities of Divine Essence. There are precise
techniques for this. Sufis are not, by and large, vegetarian or
celibate, except during periods of retreat. The life of the
householder (relationships, kids, sexuality, vocation, profession) IS
the path and the context for the alchemical crucible, and there are
just some things that don't get "cooked" properly if one does not
live a full, human life. There is continual work on plugging energy
leaks, but since the emphasis is on embodiment instead of
ascent/transcendence, there isn't the same emphasis as in yoga of
accumulating and sublimating the life force for opening and climbing
the chakras. In fact, some people need to eat flesh food for the
power it gives to the fulfillment of their life's purpose, and
experience regular sexual union in order to optimally balance their
energies and embody Divine Unity in the context of relationship.
Sorry for the long post; I hope some of it makes sense.
In service,
Hafizullah
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:06:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sri Ramakrishna and Islam.
Dear Friends,
To understand Sri Ramakrishna's attitude towards other faiths we need to understand the difference between Religion, Morality and Spirituality.
Religion is the outward rituals practiced by devotees. This does not in any way directly lead to realisation of God but it does help the devotee concentrate his mind towards God and makes him aware that a supernaturnal force called God exists. Morality, it may be suprising to note, builds up the ego and makes a man feel unduly important and vain unless it is practised with a view to ascending up the spiritual ladder (I am not condemning morality, only putting it in proper perspective, when divorced from spirituality.). Spirituality begins when a man develops vairagya and hankers after God. Sri Ramakrishna stressed the need for spirituality over and above religion and morality.
It is the spiritual thread running across all religions that attracted Sri Ramakrishna. While practising Islam Sri Ramakrishna took a fondness for the Sufi saints. The Sufis, looked down upon by the orthodox Muslims, were actually Hindus who converted into Islam for various reasons especially in parts of Jammu and Kashmir, Punjab etc. They merely shifted their devotion from Hindu deities (Shiva, Khseer Bhavani?) to Allah. Interestingly it is these Sufi saints who received recognition later as realised souls. The Sufi is no different from the devout Hindu, the sincere Buddhist and the mystic Christian, all of whose mode of worship is very similiar. In an incident in the life of Sri Ramakrishna, when he was out in the streets of Calcutta, he heard a Muslim saint calling, "Pyare aa jao, Pyare aa jao", meaning 'My Lord please come to me'. Sri Ramakrishna could not contain himself and rushed to embrace him and both shed tears of joy. Needless to say that this is a sufi form of worship.
It is not true that Sri Ramakrishna experienced the image of Prophet Mohammed to merge into him. Rather it was the only case where the figure whom he saw stayed for a while and vanished without entering him. This led Sri Ramakrishna to surmise that Prophet Mohammed was not an Avatar.
Like any other religion today Islam is also a fragmented one dividing itself between Shias, Sunnis, Beharis, Ahmadiyas etc. There is also a further segregation of Muslims who migrate from other non Muslim countries to Islamic countries and are looked down upon as immigrants (Muhazirs?). The element of brotherhood in Islam has obviously eroded. I think political tensions has got more to do with this than anything else.
Surprisingly the fanatics among Muslims are the converts. They were formerly Hindus or tribesmen who were forcibly converted into Islam. Perhaps their need and zeal to prove that they were as Islamic as the original that led to fundamentalism. Another reason may be the conversion of fierce tribal warriors into Islam, who had sadism inherent within them. Another interesting reason pointed out by vedic historians is that the people of our neighbouring countries basically belonged to the Indus valley Civillisation (the Vedic Civilisation) who were driven out by their fraternity for some reason or the other and were forced to migrate. Naturally after conversion into Islam they bore a grudge against their former compatriots who were called Hindus because they were on the other side of the river Indus.
Regards,
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: -Song to Holy Wisdom !
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
2. Re: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
3. June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many
From: "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@comcast.net>
4. Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/LadyJ
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
5. Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/LadyJ
From: "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@comcast.net>
6. June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/Vedangas and Yaska
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
7. Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/Vedangas and Yaska
From: "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk@yahoo.com>
8. RE: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many: for Raghavarao
From: "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@advaita.org.uk>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: -Song to Holy Wisdom !
--- adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear-heart, adi_ shakthi16 is a fe-male and her real
> name is no big
> secret - it is no revelation!!! smiles !!! what is
> in a name, anyway?
> A Rose is a Rose is a Rose ...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAghhhh
All this time I have been discoursing with a lady and
I did not know it.
The feminine, the power of the powerful without which
the powerful is powerless, Shakti, consort of Shiva, I
prostrate and plead stupidity as the reason for my
error.
Now I know that you in your limited form behind
adi-shakthi16 like a little Sufism so may I offer some
Rabi'a, the great lady Sufi poet, who one beautiful,
sunny day was beckoned by her maid to go into the
garden.
'Rabi'a, come into the garden to enjoy what the
Creator has made.'
From inside the house Rabi'a replied:
'Come inside and meet the Creator.'
Or my favourite of all is her prayer:
'O God! If I worship Thee in fear of hell, burn me in
hell; and if I worship Thee in hope of paradise,
exclude me from paradise; but if I worship Thee for
Thine own sake, withhold not Thine Everlasting
Beauty.'
So great lady, you have directed us to RV.X.71.4:
'One man hath ne'er seen Vak, and yet he seeth: one
man hath hearing but hath never heard her.
But to another hath she shown her beauty as a fond
well-dressed woman to her husband.'
This verse is crucial to our journey with YAska which
will begin with a posting tonight. When I first met
this 'metaphor' in the Upanishads I wondered where
such imagery had come from. Then came the study of vAk
and all was revealed.
In recent times there been a re-awakening to the
intuitive, feminine, aspect of mind. ( I do not mean
the superficial pyscho-babble emanating from some
universities). South Asian traditions have always had
this as central. Father Bede Griffiths, a Benedictine
monk, spent the second half of his life in India where
he encountered theo-philosophies that expanded his
patristic Christian modes of thought. He had a
profound experience of The Holy Mother and was able to
write of the need for an inner meeting of the male and
female:
'......This meeting must take place at the deepest
level of the human consciousness. It is an encounter
ultimately between the two fundamental dimensions of
human nature: the male and the female - the masculine,
rational, active, dominating power of the mind, and
the feminine, intuitive, passive and receptive power.
Of course, these two dimensions exist in every human
being and in every people and race. But for the past
two thousand years, coming to a climax in the present
century, the masculine, rational mind has gradually
come to dominate Western Europe and has now spread its
influence all over the world.'
I don't necessarily agree with some of the qualities
he gives as masculine and feminine.
To make futher amends I am posting below a list of the
female Rshis(RshikA) and the references for their Rks.
Some people may not be aware that there are/were many
RshikA:
GhoshA (Kakshivati, Rgveda 10, 39), Sraddhć (KAmAyanI,
10, 151), SikatA (NivAvarI, 9, 86), Agastya-svasćA
(10. 60), SArpa rAjńI (10, 189), IndrasnushA
(Vasukra-patniI 10, 28), GodhA (10, 134), Nadi (3,
33), LopAmudrA (1, 179), ViSvavArA (AtreyI , 5, 28),
VAk (AmbhranI, 10, 125), YamI (VaivasvatI, 10, 10),
SASvatI (AngirasI, 8, 1), SaramA (DevaSunI, 10, 108),
SUryA (SAvitri, 10, 85). SachI (PulomI, 10, 159), JuhU
(Brahma-jAyA, 10, 109), DakshinA (PrajApatyA 10, 107),
Aditi (DAkshAyanI, 10, 72), RAtri (Bharadvaji, 10,
127), RomaSA (Brahma-vAdiinI, 1, 126 and 1 27) and
ApalA (8, 7)
Best wishes
If I have been admonished
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many
--- "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>And when
> such an identification takes place there is no more
> Varuna or Indra
> or Ganga - there is only brahman. It is only that
> state which is
> the state of perfection and purity. This is why
> every sUkta that is
> intended for purification, though appealing to
> `lesser' devatas,
> finally esoterically has to point out and reiterate
> the fact
> that `All this is brahman'. The universal heart/mind
> has to be
> touched and as Ken-ji says, this is the purpose of
> all tapas, yajna
> and ritual. And that is why, though I have been
> reciting the
> nAsadIya-sUkta from my boyhood as if it were just a
> routine portion
> of the udaka-shAnti mantra, it is clear now that it
> had to be there;
> for without it there can be no `meeting of the
> individual with the
> universal, vyashti with samashti'!
Namaste Professor,
Sorry to have delayed my reply. You have responded so
well to my appeal at the beginning of this topic for
those with practical experience to help me out. So
many, many thanks.
No doubt all births are lawful, each of us in the
right place, but how much I yearn to have had one such
as yours where the Vedas were there to be learned by
heart. Although I am sure that you also wished to be
elsewhere at times.
One of the founder members of this group, Madhava
Turumella, has met up with me a couple of times
recently and whenever I mention to him some translated
Sloka he rattles off the Sanskrit learned in his
youth. All I learned was about Jack and Jill going up
some hill, and it takes me ages to learn a single
stanza in Sanskrit. Come to think of it, a lot of the
mantras translate into sentences that seem to have as
much meaning as Jack and Jill going up their hill.
I began this topic also by honouring and naming Sri
Anandamayi Ma and Dr Gopinath Kaviraj. If any
understanding shines through these postings it is
through their presence. As the rishi and devataH are
invoked at the beginning of the hymn so these two
wonderful people were invoked at the beginning of this
topic. Clearly their influence is coming to our aid
because your last posting, as well as other members'
postings of the last two days, prepares the way for my
next one. Always a good sign when this happens during
discussions.
I had intended replying to your post step by step but
found it had already been written in the YAska posting
which I will put out tonight.
However, to return to the individual dissolving in the
universal: RV.I.164. Here is the basic question for
all of us:
6 įcikitvaań cikitśSash cid įtra kaviķn pRchaami
vidmįne nį vidvaįn |
vķ yįs tastįmbha SįL imaį rįjaaMsy ajįsya ruupé kķm
įpi svid ékam ||
'I ask, unknowing, those who know, the sages, as one
all ignorant for sake of knowledge,
What was that ONE who in the Unborn's image hath
stablished and fixed firm these worlds' six regions.'
It is this question that leads into the famous 'two
birds in a tree' image so beloved of Vedantins.
To approach any event thinking that we know what is
going on is fraught with danger and first we
acknowledge that we are not actually in charge of
things.
dyaśr me pitaį janitaį naįbhir įtra bįndhur me maataį
pRthiviķ mahiķyįm |
uttaanįyosh camvņr yónir antįr įtraa pitaį duhitśr
gįrbham aįdhaat ||
'Dyaus is my Father, my begetter: kinship is here.
This great earth is my kin and Mother.
Between the wide-spread world-halves is the
birth-place: the Father laid the Daughter's germ
within it.'
Next the rishi asks these great questions.
pRchaįmi tvaa pįram įntam pRthivyaįH pRchaįmi yįtra
bhśvanasya naįbhiH |
pRchaįmi tvaa vR'SNo įshvasya rétaH pRchaįmi vaacįH
paramįM vyņma ||
' I ask thee of the earth's extremest limit, where is
the centre of the world, I ask
thee.
I ask thee of the Stallion's seed prolific, I ask of
highest heaven where Speech abideth.'
The answers he gets are a great teaching. I am sure
that they must be central to all that you were given
in your childhood.
iyįM védiH pįro įntaH pRthivyaį ayįM yajńó bhśvanasya
naįbhiH |
ayįM sómo vR'SNo įshvasya réto brahmaįyįM vaacįH
paramįM vyņma ||
'This altar is the earth's extremest limit; this
sacrifice of ours is the world's centre.
The Stallion's seed prolific is the Soma; this Brahman
highest heaven where Speech abideth.'
Sorry. The above is all rather disjointed but my son,
now less than 24 hours away from emigrating, suddenly
wants more conversation than he has had with me for
the past year. Hence telephone interruptions while
typing,
Thank you for your valuable contributions,
Ken Knight
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:28:51 -0400
From: "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@comcast.net>
Subject: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many
Kenji wrote...
> The nasadIya sUkta sings through all generations.
> "It's gone!" sighed the Rat, sinking back in his seat
> again. "So beautiful and strange and new! Since it was
> to end so soon, I almost wish I had never heard it.
> For it has mused a longing in me that is pain, and
> nothing seems worth while but just to hear that sound
> once more and go on listening to it for ever."
>
> "No! There it is again!" he cried, alert once more.
> Entranced, he was silent for a long space, spellbound.
> "Now it passes on, and I begin to lose it," he said
> presently. "O, Mole! the beauty of it! The merry
> bubble and joy, the thin, clear, happy call of the
> distant piping. Such music I never dreamed of, and the
> call in it is stronger even than the music is sweet!
> Row on, Mole, row! For the music and the call must be
> for us."
> If Lady Joyce passes this way, that is especially for
> you.
> Do they find the baby otter ?
May he be found and possessed
such that he is eternally
lost in the call
Especially for you...
http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/Rumi/Be%20Lost/1.htm
Love,
Joyce
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/LadyJ
--- Lady Joyce <shaantih@comcast.net> wrote:
> May he be found and possessed
> such that he is eternally
> lost in the call
>
> Especially for you...
>
>
http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/Rumi/Be%20Lost/1.htm
Good Evening Joyce,
Reality's statement in the Rumi poem at this URL is
based on a hadith...these are mystical sayings or
stories that are not included in the Koran and whose
validity is challenged by some.....'I was a hidden
treasure and wanted to be known so created creation in
order to be known.' The English of that is pathetic
but gives you the sense of the hadith. The Arabic
used for the word 'known' has to do with taste, as in
tasting the sweetness, madhur and svadh in the
Sanskrit. Both of which are to be noted in RV I.164 in
the tale of the two birds.
Back to Rat and Mole. Yes indeed, the baby otter had
to be lost in order to be found. having been guided by
the sweet sound the animals found themsleves in the
Presence of .....
As Dawn, Usha in the Rgvedic hymns, lit up the scene:
'Sudden and magnificent, the Sun's broad golden disc
showed itself over the horizon facing them; and the
first rays, shooting across level water-meadows, took
the animals full in the eyes and dazzled them. When
they were able to look once more, the Vision had
vanished and the air was full of the the carol of
birds that hailed the dawn......'
Then the veil is drawn back over the animals' inner
vision,
Oh well, teachings abound and we are fortunate on this
site to share them,
Thanks again for the link,
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:04:43 -0400
From: "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/LadyJ
Kenji wrote...
Yes indeed, the baby otter had to be lost in order to be found. having been
guided by
> the sweet sound the animals found themsleves in the
> Presence of .....
Ah, but was he lost then found, or found then lost?
In the call...
> As Dawn, Usha in the Rgvedic hymns, lit up the scene:
> 'Sudden and magnificent, the Sun's broad golden disc
> showed itself over the horizon facing them; and the
> first rays, shooting across level water-meadows, took
> the animals full in the eyes and dazzled them. When
> they were able to look once more, the Vision had
> vanished and the air was full of the the carol of
> birds that hailed the dawn......'
I want to share with you an image which Adiji had posted
on her group page, of Usha, along with a short poem and
Hymn CXIII (Dawn) taken from the link which Sunderji had posted...
Thanks to the One and the Many :-)
http://www.omshaantih.com/Scriptures/Rig%20Veda/Usha/Dawn.htm
Love,
Joyce
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: ken knight <anirvacaniya@yahoo.com>
Subject: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/Vedangas and Yaska
Namaste all,
Apologies for the length of this posting but we are
getting into matters that need some explanation for
those who have not heard of vedangas and Yaska.
All the previous postings have been setting the scene
for this one which is the major step before we enter
the mAyA sections.
I am just about to take my wife to point A before
going to point B before going to point A again and
taking us both to point C which is Heathrow airport to
say farewell to my emigrating son later this
afternoon. It is unlikely that I will be able to get
on to the computer until tomorrow as most of the day
will be spent on what is fondly known as England's
'biggest car-park': the M25. Those of you who live in
England will understand what that all means.
Hope the following makes some sense:
YAska, Vedangas and Understanding the Hymns
The unavoidable understanding from this introduction
to the Rgveda is that the hymns of the saMhitA cannot
be presented without error in a written form or when
analysed in intellectual debate. In the various
postings we have encountered the tradition of
eternality of the Vedas, against which we have to
place ides of word sound, shabda, meaning, artha,
intention, tatparya and context. Throughout the
history of South Asian philosophical debate these are
much discussed and it would help us to understand
Shankara if we had all studied the six darSanas.
Hopefully, next month's topic will help us in that
regard. For the moment we must take a further step
back towards the first attempts to understand the
Vedas as they had been collected together as we know
them today.
We have also, up to this point, considered the
possibility that the requirement for intuitive
understanding in the moment of hearing does not
prevent subsequent analysis being of significant value
as long as all 'kindling' is offered in sacrifice;
that there is purity of intention. Both intuitive
insight and rational thought are necessary events in
the exegesis of the mantras so the Vedangas, primarily
aids for the protection of the purity and accuracy of
meaning of the Vedas, evolved naturally as the
teaching and language practices were developed from
the archaic forms of Sanskrit to what we may call
classical Sanskrit.
The need for purity of language or speech, of action
and of the participants in ritual is at the centre of
such spiritual work. This awareness of the need for
purity implies that there is an underlying impulse for
the actions of a study, or ritual, an impulse that is
perfect, whole and 'pure'. At the substratum level of
this purity no fault can appear, it is only at the
level of name and form, necessary for explanation or
demonstration, that imperfections occur through error.
That substratum is central to a non-dualist teaching
and it is illustrated by the final statement of the
ISha Upanishad. This has been well covered as our
April topic:
This Upanishad emerged out of the age of the Vedic
seers through the tradition of Yajnavalkya. It is at
the core of the fundamental questioning as to 'How the
One becomes Many while remaining One.' Centred around
the statement of the seventh verse, 'seeing the same
in all', the Upanishad, through its concluding shanti
mantra, makes the definitive statement on the
resplendent, Sukram, wholeness and indivisibility of
the all-pervading substratum, paryagAt:
'When to that man of realisation, yasmin vijAnataH,
all beings become the very Self, atma eva abhUt, then
what delusion and what sorrow can there be for the
seer of oneness?'
Then follows:
'That is perfect, purna, this is perfect. The perfect
arises from perfect. Realising the imperfect in the
perfect, the perfect remains.' Isha Upanishad 7
(this is but one translation but I have never yet been
satisfied by any translation of this Sloka into
English.)
The Vedangas were first numbered as six in the
SadviMSa BrAhmaNa of the SAma Veda where they are said
to be the limbs of the goddess SvAhA, consort of Agni.
In the Mundaka Upanishad, the rishi Angiras gives the
traditional teaching on the two kinds of knowledge to
be acquired, dve vidye veditavye:
'..There are two kinds of knowledge to be acquired;
the higher and the lower, this is what, as tradition
runs, the knowers of the import of the Vedas say.
Of these, the lower comprises the Rgveda, Yajurveda,
Samaveda, Atharvaveda, the science of pronunciation,
ShikshA, the code of rituals, kalpaH, grammar,
vyAkaranam, etymology, niruktam, metre, chandah and
astrology, jyotisham. Then there is the higher
knowledge by which is realised that immutable,
aksharam.
By the higher knowledge the wise realise everywhere
that which cannot be perceived or grasped; which is
without source, features, eyes, ears; which has
neither hands nor feet; which is eternal, multiformed,
all-pervasive, extremely subtle, and undiminishing;
and which is the source of all.
As a spider spreads out and withdraws (its thread), as
on earth grow the herbs (and trees), and as from the
living man issues out hair on the head and body, so
out of the Immutable does the universe emerge here (in
this phenomenol creation.).' Mundaka Up. I.1.4-7.
Accustomed as he was to the classical Sanskrit of his
time, roughly 4th century BC , YAska needed to
penetrate the archaic Sanskrit of the Vedas. Coming in
a long line of those seeking the purity of the
original Rishi's vision, YAska was concerned with
revealing the original meaning of the Vedic mantras as
used in the rituals of his time. He chose etymology
and grammar as being the primary skills in this
process while, of course, recognising the importance
of Chhandas, metre. He also stated that it was through
the correct pronunciation of these mantras, by
suitably qualified persons, that their meaning came to
a flowering and fruition in their study and practice.
Attitudes to his work vary from dismissing it
altogether, to regarding it as no more than folk
etymology to seeing it as a most valuable, ancient
forerunner in the history of linguistics. His Nirukta
is devoted to the explanation of difficult Vedic
words. The only work of the kind now known to us is
that of Yaska, who was a predecessor of Panini; but
such works were no doubt numerous, and the names of
seventeen writers of Niruktas are mentioned as having
preceded Yaska. The Nirukta consists of three parts
:-(1.) Naighantuka, a collection of synonymous words;
(2.) Naigama, a collection of words peculiar to the
Vedas; (3.) Daivata, words relating to deities and
sacrifices. These are mere lists of words, and are of
themselves of little value. They may have been
compiled by Yaska himself, or he may have found them
ready to his hand. The real Nirukta, the valuable
portion of the work, is Yaska's commentary, which
follows. In this he explains the meaning of words,
enters into etymological investigations, and quotes
passages of the Vedas in illustration. These are
valuable from their acknowledged antiquity, and as
being the oldest known examples of a Vedic gloss. They
also throw a light upon the scientific and religious
condition of their times, but the extreme brevity of
their style makes them obscure and difficult to
understand. But we are here to understand.
Failure to penetrate to the very heart of meaning when
sounding the mantras, or the listening to such a
recitation without understanding their meaning, in his
opinion, withers the 'flowers so that they fail to
fruit.' Through such failure the sweetest fruit at the
top of the tree cannot be directly experienced ( I
have put that bit in as a reference to RV. I.164 and
the image of the two birds but cannot digress too far
into that one now.). YAska referred to that one who
chanted the mantra without understanding as a 'wooden
post', sthanu, and we may note that a post is the dead
product of a tree, unable to flower and fruit.
'Who heard speech without fruit and flower in the
abodes of gods and men, for that man speech has no
fruit or flower, or has very little fruit and flower.
The meaning of speech is called its fruit and flower.
Or the sacrificial stanzas addressed to deities, or
the deity and the soul are its fruit and flower.'
Nirukta I.20
In this passage, YAska's fundamental understanding of
the effectiveness of speech at three levels can be
discerned: the mantras may be spoken with no
understanding of the powers beyond the gross level,
spoken with insightful understanding at the subtle
level or 'spoken' in the fullness of the Atman. Hence
he states: yAjnadaivate pushpaphale devatAdhyAtme vA.
Durgacharya, YAska's commentator, develops this
statement:
'Knowledge of sacrifice is the flower, of which the
knowledge of divine beings may be considered as the
fruit. The knowledge of divine beings is in turn the
flower whose fruit is universal knowledge of the Self.
This is what is established by the whole Veda If the
dharma is leading to material prosperity is performed,
the knowledge of the gods is the reward. If on the
other hand the dharma leading to spiritual beatitude
is practised, then both the yajnika and daivika become
the flower; the daivika, which includes in itself the
yajnika becomes the flower and the adhyatmika the
fruit.' This has been quoted from 'The Heart of the
Rigveda' Mahuli R Gopalacharya, Somaiya pub. 1971
pp.10-11
(These three levels, gross, subtle and causal as it
were, of Adhibhautica, regarding the external world,
Adhidaivica, regarding divine beings, and Adhyatmica,
regarding spiritual truths, is a central teaching in
Vedanta.
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter Seven concludes with, 'They who
know Me as the Adhibhuta and the Adhidaiva, as well as
the chief of sacrifice, they truly know Me with
steadfast thought even at the hour of death.')
We can now try to relate this statement with the
'power and the glory' of the posting on the context of
the hymns' oral tradition. The acquisition of any
speck of knowledge requires a certain sacrifice before
the acquired skill gives meaning and authority, as any
school pupil could observe. When the child learns to
multiply numbers, status and awards follow, but the
true delight to be directly experienced is not in the
limited power and authority of that newly acquired
status, but in the magnificent, inspired flow in the
work itself from the first perception of the question
to be answered, through its working and finally to a
successful conclusion. The child will naturally
exclaim, 'I like this.'
The full meaning is not to be found in merely chanting
the mathematical tables as instructed by the teacher.
Nor is the full meaning to be found in the newly
acquired status as 'one who can do multiplication.'
It is found in the pure application of this acquired
knowledge in the correct situation, in the right place
at the right time. As a young child I would sit up in
my bedroom, writing the longest sum in the world
around the walls. My parents thought this neither the
right time nor right place for such activity.
This process of learning and final delight is an
example, it must be stated in my opinion only, of
YAska's yAjnadaivate pushpaphale devatAdhyAtme vA.
The fullness of meaning comes through the mantra
realising its own knowledge, as it were, in the fields
of being and becoming. As individuals our role is to
bring, as kindling, our limited knowledge to the place
of sacrifice in that field, at the place of ritual,
where we may recall the teaching of the RgVeda:
agninAgniH samidhyate
'By Agni, Agni is inflamed.' RV I.12.6
This is a simple mantra to chant, easy to interpret,
power-full when realised. In truth, our spiritual
practice is no more than allowing that which is
already present to manifest in ever expanding
fullness.
It may be a distraction to mention this here but an
essential point relevant to YAska's thinking needs to
be made. For the meaning of mantra to be realisable
today we have to consider the eternality of meaning
hidden within sound.
In our day-to-day language sounds stay the same but
meanings appear to change at random. For example,
here in UK when I was a child, the sound 'gay' meant
'merry' and was an adjective. For my children's
generation 'gay' is a noun or adjective and means
'homosexual'. For my grandchildren, 'gay' is once more
an adjective and means 'pathetic'. Such confusion of
meanings faced YAska and those who wished to
demonstrate and explain the meaning of mantra used in
ritual. If sounds could change their meaning then the
permanence of the mantra after an individual's death,
indeed, the very eternality of the Vedas themselves,
would be challenged. The SatapaTa-brahmaNa had stated
that the knowledge attained through the ritual
pronunciation of the Vedas remained with the 'knower'
after death; te vidyAkarmano samavArabhete SB
14.7.2.3. If permanence of meaning of sounds is in
speech only there can be no subtle sounds manifesting
a causal impulse or inspiration, so YAska begins his
Nirukta by dismissing such a view because it would
inevitably be a denial of the Vedas as an eternal
repository of knowledge. Nirukta I.1.
We may like to reflect on this in relation to the
sound mAyA. Are the Vedas eternal and their mantras
able to realise themselves in all times? Should we
try to understand mAyA through the Vedic commentators
in history or through its translation into English as
'illusion'? Or should we wait to hear the word afresh
in the moment 'now'?
(I am aware of the claim, by such as Kautsa, that
Rgvedic mantras are meaningless and/or contradictory
therefore rendering Nirukta as without value in Vedic
exegesis. I leave it to others to argue this point if
they wish.
When countering Kautsa, YAska argues that
contradictions only arise when the whole context is
not known, that the 'appeal to a plant is to the
divinity of the plant', and that the inability to
discover the meaning of such allegedly meaningless
words as 'amyak' or 'jArayAi', is that error of the
blind man walking into a post and blaming the post for
his injury. Nirukta I.15-16 .
It is in the light of such viewpoints that YAska
pronounced yAjnadaivate pushpaphale devatAdhyAtme vA.
Nirukta I.20 This final, fulfilling fruition of the
meaning of the mantra, expanding totally in the subtle
and gross levels as thought and speech, is
illustrated by the Vedas themselves so YAska writes:
'With these words, 'And to another she yielded her
body' ( RV.X.71.4) she reveals herself, knowledge; the
manifestation of meaning ( is described) by this
speech..this is the praise of one who understands the
meaning.' Nirukta I.19
(Please note, this is Sarup's translation so I have
not altered his version of RV.X.71.4 which we have
already had posted in a fuller translation in the last
couple of days.)
'From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed,
breathed forth.'
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:48:48 -0000
From: "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many/Vedangas and Yaska
--- In advaitin@yahoogroups.com, ken knight <anirvacaniya@y...>
wrote:
> Namaste all,
>> Accustomed as he was to the classical Sanskrit of his
> time, roughly 4th century BC , YAska needed to
> penetrate the archaic Sanskrit of the Vedas. Coming in
> a long line of those seeking the purity of the
> original Rishi's vision, YAska was concerned with
> revealing the original meaning of the Vedic mantras as
> used in the rituals of his time. He chose etymology
> and grammar as being the primary skills in this
> process while, of course, recognising the importance
> of Chhandas, metre. He also stated that it was through
> the correct pronunciation of these mantras, by
> suitably qualified persons, that their meaning came to
> a flowering and fruition in their study and practice.
>
Namaste.
My PraNAms to Ken-ji for a marvellous introduction to Yaska's
Nirukta. May I appeal to all members of the group not to be
overwhelmed by the excellent matter, in quantity as well as quality,
that is being presented by Ken-ji, but to read every word of it
rightaway so that we can enjoy and absorb the treasures that are
bound to follow from his pen in the future posts. I think this is
THE opportunity for all of us to really learn something deep of the
most ancient text of mankind.
If it can be of any help, readers may want to read the following
short note on Nirukta, from the discourses of Mahaswamigal of Kanchi:
http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part9/chap1.htm
PraNAms to all students of Rg Veda.
profvk
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:01:01 +0100
From: "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@advaita.org.uk>
Subject: RE: June Topic: mAyA in the vedas: the One and the many: for Raghavarao
Hi Ken,
I'm not contributing very much to your topic I'm afraid - mainly sitting
back in awe of your erudition! I am sure that many members of the list will
be studying your posts in detail and that this will justify the vast amount
of effort that you must have put in. This belief helps me assuage any guilt
for not myself reading all of your posts to this depth. It would be very
demanding on time to give them all of the attention they deserve and I am
not that interested in going into this subject so deeply. Nevertheless, I
must congratulate you on the readability and interest of even the difficult
aspects.
I do enjoy your supporting material, such as the wonderful passage from Wind
in the Willows. I also must thank you for pointing us to the chant sites.
Whilst looking, I couldn't resist just trying Pandit Jasraj's interpretation
of the Mandukya Upanishad for curiosity. I have subsequently ordered the CD!
It sounds wonderful and can be heard in its entirety at the
www.musicindiaonline.com site - all 3 hours of it! Are there any specific
chants that you would recommend (actual URL pointing to ones that can be
heard on-line)? I freely confess that I am interested from the point of view
of musicality rather than specific relevance to the topic, if this is
permissible! I am practically completely ignorant as regards Indian music
and it clearly has so much to offer. A brief introduction from any member
would be most welcome.
I would just like to query your comment on the St. John gospel. You said:
'The same was in the beginning with God.' He has
already repeated himself three times, why do so again?
What new element is he putting forward? The clue is in
the word 'same'; see Sanskrit root Sam."
I have seen this sort of thing done before by commentators on the Gospels
and wondered how it can be justifiable. Surely the original of the bible
material is in Hebrew or Greek? How, then, can you take an English
translation of this (same) and attempt to suggest that it was based on a
Sanskrit word (or any other language other than the presumably Greek in
which it was written)?
Best wishes,
Dennis
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
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Once there lived
.. a small girl called Poornima. She was the only daughter of loving parents. They were not very well-off, and belonged to middle class. Poornima was a decent bright girl, with high ambitions to make it to top. She was very pretty. She also had a homely look. She was a little chubby, but everybody liked her for her charming manner and smiling calm attitude.
She grew up under the wings of her parents, under their loving, undying care. She grew up to be a stunning looking woman. She invariably turned heads whereever she went. With just the right amount of flesh in just the right places, she made guys mouth water at the sight of her.
It was time for her to get settled in life. A homely girl that she was, she never got into any love affair though many guys were waiting for one nod of her head, ready to go to the ends of the world for her. But she did not budge, as she did not want to let her parents down. She did not want to make her parents to whom she was the only daughter cringe with shame.
So when time came, lots of men, well established men came and looked at her. Some were haughty, and asked for a lot of money, to take her hand in marriage. How much do they want? To take this idol of goodness they wanted money, gold. Being a poor family, her parents could not afford so much. They wanted their daughter to get married to a rich family. As much as they could afford, they married her off to Mohan who was a banker and was very rich with a big mansion.
Her parents had to squeeze their lockers to give the groom's house what they wanted. They were still not satisfied. They wanted more.
Poornima's parents promised to give the money a month after marriage. She got married, she was happy, but she felt sad that her parents had to sell almost everything they had to give her hand in marriage to Mohan. Mohan was a good person. But he did not talk anything against his Mom, after all it was an arranged marriage and he had no part to play in the marriage except to look at the girl and decide if he liked her or not.
A month went by, and Mohan's parents started pestering Poornima for the money her parents had promised. Poornima had to leave her job which she had before marriage because the in laws did not want her to work. They apparently had enough money to 'feed four generations of Mohan'. But why they wanted more money from Poornima's poor parents is a question.
A couple of more months went by and they got upset that Poornima's parents were not giving the money. They started mistreating her.
In the mean time Poornima became pregnant. Ah! Now that happens promptly does it not.
Poornima's in laws wanted to take her to a big hospital but all her parents could afford was the near by clinic. But still, they tried to do all they can to take her regularly to the 'big' hospital in a call taxi regularly and pay the exorbitant prices.
Finally she gives birth to a....baby girl....
Well, I guess you predicted the outsome.
Poornima is now at her parents home with the baby girl waiting for her parents to get the amount to her in laws, her so called second home and second parents are asking, of which the possibility is remote, so she could go back and live HER life with HER husband and HER kid.
So much for arranged marriages...
So much for her wish to live like a proper Indian girl
So much for her intention to live by her culture and tradition.
* A true story*
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
05:48 AM ET (US)
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What is the Bhagavad Gita ?
What is the greatness of the Gita ?
How many chapters and shlokas does the Gita contain ?
Why do some books say that the Gita contains 701 shlokas?
Is the Gita an upanishad?
Is a Gita dictionary available on the internet ?
Has any one done non traditional research on the Gita?
Where can I get audio versions of the shlokas ?
Is there any special Gita day during the year?
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Q1: What is the Bhagavad Gita ?
Mahabhaarata is one of the greatest Indian epics . It was written by sage Vyasa . It contains Bhagavad Gita, the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna, in the battlefield wherein Krishna helps to resolve Arjuna's mental conflicts and urges him to fight the war. This is narrated by Sanjaya to the blind king Dhritarashtra and begins with a question by Dhritarashtra seeking to know how Arjuna who had laid down his arms, was convinced to fight.
Arjuna's doubts are doubts that face every generation and so the lessons of the Gita are as applicable in this day and age as they were centuries ago. The Gita unfolds a way of life that helps us to be socially more productive and individually more balanced and tranquil and following which we can pursue life at peace with ourselves. It is a scriptural guide that can give direction to our lives irrespective of us whoever we are and whatever our problem is and transcends the man made, self imposed boundaries of caste, creed and religion.
Bal Gangadhar (Lokamanya) Tilak said ``The Gita was not preached either as a pastime for persons tired out after living a worldly life in the pursuit of selfish motives, nor as a preparatory lesson for living such worldly life, but in order to give philosophical advice as to how one should live one's worldly life with an eye to Release, moksha, and as to the true duty of human beings in worldly life. My last prayer to everyone, therefore, is that one should not fail to thoroughly understand this ancient science of the life of a householder, or of worldly life, as early as possible in one's life.''
According to Aldous Huxley ``The Gita is one of the clearest and most comprehensive summaries of the Perennial Philosophy ever to have been done. Hence its enduring value, not only for Indians, but for all mankind. The Bhagavadgeeta is perhaps the most systematic spiritual statement of the Perennial Philosophy.''
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Q2: What is the greatness of the Gita ?
The Mahabharata says "sarva shaastramayii giitaa" meaning that the Gita comprises all the scriptures. Sage Vyaasa has said that the Gita alone should be sung, heard and assimilated and there is no use of any other scripture when one has the Gita because it has originated from the lips of the Lord Himself in the following words..
giitaa sugiitaa kartavyaa kimanyaiH shaastrasaMgrahaiH
yaa svayaM padmanaabhasya mukhapadmaadvinissR^itaa
Gita mahaatmyam or the Glory of Gita is hence unlimited and beyond description. It contains the essence of all the four vedas and yet its style is so simple that after a little study, anyone can easily follow the structure of the words. Yet.. it is so profound that even a life long study may not reveal the depth of meaning. As a reader grows in maturity, the same words reveal more and more facets of thought and hence the Gita remains eternally new.The Lord Himself says in the varaahapuraaNaa,
giitaashraye.ahaM tishhThaami giitaa me chottamaM gR^iham.h
giitaaGYaanamupaashritya trii.nllokaan.h paalayaamyaham.h
In this Sloka, the Lord says that He has made Gita his abode and maintains the three worlds on the strength of the wisdom contained in the Gita.
The Bhagavad Gita has lessons for the young and old of any caste, creed and religion and teaches the technique of perfect living.
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Q3: How many chapters and shlokas does the Gita contain ?
The Gita contains 18 chapters and 700 shlokas. Of the 700 shlokas, 1 (first) shloka is of dhR^itaraashhTra, 40 are of sa.njaya, 84 of arjuna and 575 of shriikR^ishhNa.They are classified as under. (For Short summaries of all these chapters click here)
Sl..No. Name Translation shlokas
1 arjunavishhAdayogaH The hesitation and despondency of Arjuna 47
2 sAN^khyayogaH Communion through Knowledge 72
3 karmayogaH Communion through Action 43
4 GYAnakarmasa.nnyAsayogaH Renunciation of Action in Knowledge 42
5 karmasa.nnyAsayogaH Communion through Renunciation 29
6 dhyaanayogaH Communion through Meditation 47
7 GYAnaviGYAnayogaH Communion through knowledge and Realization 30
8 aksharabrahmayogaH The way to imperishable Brahman 28
9 rAjavidyArAjaguhyayogaH The Sovereign science and Sovereign secret 34
10 vibhuutiyogaH Manifestations of Divine glories 42
11 vishvaruupadarshanayogaH The Vision of the Cosmic form 55
12 bhaktiyogaH Communion through loving devotion 20
13 kshetrakshetraGYavibhAgayogaH Differentiation of the knower from the known. 34
14 guNatrayavibhAgayogaH Division according to the three guNaas 27
15 purushhottamayogaH Mystery of the All pervading person 20
16 daivAsurasaMpadvibhAgayogaH Distinction between divine and demoniac types 24
17 shraddhAtrayavibhAgayogaH The three divisions of faith 28
18 mokshasa.nnyAsayogaH Liberation through Renunciation 78
The kashmiri version of Gita contains some additional shlokas, and some words are different.
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Q4: Why do some books say that the Gita contains 701 shlokas ?
There is an extra shloka because of the inclusion of Arjuna's question in the beginning of chapter 13. This was done to add continuity and is omitted in some texts.
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Q5: Is the Gita an upanishad?
The Gita is often referred to as an upanishhad, and according to some it contains the truth of all of them.The fundamental thoughts of the upanishads, the conclusions and theories are expounded in the Gita. The Gita has been given the status of a Upanishad as enunciated in the following verse:
sarvopanishhado gaavo dogdhaa gopaalanandanaH
paartho vatsaH sudhiirbhoktaa dugdhaM giitaamR^itaM mahat.h
This means that all the upanishads are the cows and Lord Krishna, the son of a cowherd, is the milker. Arjuna is the calf, all the pure minded people are the consumers and the ambrosial Gita is the delicious milk.
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Q6: Is a Gita dictionary available on the internet ?
Yes. It is available in encoded (itx) and devanaagarii postscript (ps) versions with meanings by Srila Prabhupada. Please see bgwords files for both versions on ftp://jaguar.cs.utah.edu/private/sanskrit/
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Q7: Has any one done non traditional research on the Gita?
The following are references of some of the non traditional research done on the Gita. By no means can this list be considered exhaustive.
THE SOCIAL ROLE OF THE GITA: HOW AND WHY, was published in Delhi by Urmila Agarwal in 1993. The book is available from Motilal Banarsidass.
UPANISHADS, GITA, AND BIBLE : A COMPARATIVE STUDY OF HINDU AND CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES written by Parrinder, Edward Geoffrey. London : Sheldon Press, 1975.
THE GITA & THE QURAN : A COMPARATIVE STUDY : AN APPROACH TO NATIONAL INTEGRATION / Mohammad Khan Durrany. 1st ed. Durrany, Mohammad Khan, 1934- Delhi : Nag Publishers, 1982.
THE GITA AS IT WAS : REDISCOVERING THE ORIGINAL BHAGAVADGITA / Sinha, Phulgenda, 1924- La Salle, Ill. : Open Court, 1987, c1986
THE GITA IN THE LIGHT OF MODERN SCIENCE [BY] R. B. Lal. Foreword by R. R. Diwakar. Bombay, Somaiya Publications [1970]
THE GITA IN WORLD LITERATURE / edited by C.D. Verma. New Delhi : Sterling Publishers, c1990.
THE TRICOLOR GITA, Gita as a text written by three individuals.
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Q8: Where can I get good audio versions of the shlokas ?
Kendra Crossen Burroughs and David R. Israel wanted to know if there were any audio tape recordings of the Bhagavad Gita with a real Indian pandit reading (or chanting) in Sanskrit, with no musical background.
Max had transferred an audio recording of a performance by students of Samdeepany Sadhanalaya (sp?) from the late 70's to CD-ROM (WAV files). He also made a program to index the chapters so that one can listen to any particular verse by referring to the chapter and verse numbers.He wanted to know how such a tool could be made freely available (it's about 150 MBytes of disk space).
Vidyasagar Govind says that the best chanting of the Geeta in tape form is that by Swami Brahmananda.It is produced by the Central Chinmaya Mission Trust,Deenabandhu Devastanam,CMH Road,Indiranagar,Bangalore 560038 .There is very little music in it,and the pronounciation is very clear.
Aklujkar said that the music company Sangeetha, The Master Recording Co., 97-C, III Street, Kumaran Colony, Vadapalani, Chennai (formerly Madras) 600 026; phone numbers (91+44) 483-8802 and 483-8822; fax number 483-6174. supplies general as well as specialized catalogues (the two in the latter category are "Classical Devotional, Dance ..." and "Sanskrit Devotionals") of what it can supply.
In the Pune-Mumbai area, Gita chapters 9, 12 and 15 sung by Lata Mangeshkar are available. The chapter 15 recording appears on the back of Lata's GYaaneshvarii LP (and now cassette?). For the cassette of chapters 9 and 12, the producer is HMV, The Gramophone Company of India, 5 Old Court House St., Calcutta 700 001. There is also said to be available a Gita recording (select verses with Hindi narration) by Suhasini Mulgaonkar. In addition, there is said to be a two-cassette set of select Gita verses set to music by Vanraj Bhatia, produced by Living Media India Ltd., New Delhi. Its tunes are very good and original; technical side of production is excellent; pronunciation, on the whole, is good, except for the singers' failure in consistently stressing short vowels followed by conjunct consonants.
Copies of Aklujkar's recording are also available at a cost of US$ 15, including handling and postage, for a two-cassette set. They can be obtained from Ashok Aklujkar, Professor, Department of Asian Studies, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada V6T 1Z2.
Gerard Huet mentions that there is a set of 4 audio cassettes by the three famous Mohapatra sisters, in the same style as their numerous tapes of vishhNu sahasranaama stotra. It contains very clearly chanted text with a little musical background. It is copyrighted 1991 Gathani Records Company, 2 Temple Street, Calcutta 700 072.
Rebecca Manring gave the information that The Music Today series produced in India and frequently advertised in such places as India Today has recently produced recordings of both Bhagavadgita and Kalidasa's Meghaduta. But Anand Venkat Raman says that he had bought these audio cassettes on two occasions on two different trips to India (more than 50 or so of them) and of the 50, perhaps 3 or 4 only were of acceptable quality. He feels that they only tend to do a good job of advertising and packaging their tapes attractively, with an informative blurb within each one. Other music companies such as Sangeeta or HMV do an immensely better job and are also value for money.
Mandakranta Bose mentions that there is a Gita tape by Professor Govinda Gopal Mukhopadhyaya and produced by HMV in Calcutta in the late 80's. It contains the second chapter. It is available in Calcutta music stores.
Das Menon has provided the information that there is a set of tapes available from E. Bharatha Pisharody, the originator of the Kamadenu course for learning Sanskrit. These tapes have been prepared without any background music.The address is :
E. Bharatha Pisharody KAMADENU P.O Eranellur Trissur Kerala India.
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Q9: Is there any special Gita day during the year?
Lord Krishna mentions in the Gita that `among the months I am the maargashiirshha, maasaanaaM maargashiirsho.aham.h.' In this year, maargashiirshha shuddha ekaadashii, noted as Gitajayanti falls on 10th December (these dates are based on Indian calendar. In other parts of the worlds there is some variation). Perhaps, the Gita conversation, in whatever form, took place during this time of the year. At least, it is an occasion to remember, religous or otherwise, the Gita as a sanskrit text.
July 20, 1997, is a full moon day, aashhaaDha paurNimaa. It is also noted as GurupaurNimaa or VyaasapaurNimaa It is an occasion to remember Vyasa for the epic Mahabhaarataa (and many other texts) written for `the benefit of mankind.'
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
05:47 AM ET (US)
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Among the world's scriptures, The Bhagavad Gītā is one of the most popular texts. Its popularity is demonstrated by the fact that, next to the Bible, it is perhaps the most widely translated of scriptural texts. This scripture is suited for the entire man- kind, irrespective of a person's religious or ethnic background.
The Gītā is considered as the Revelation given by Lord Krishna to Arjuna, in the battle field to help him resolve his mental conflict and was put in the present form by sage Vyāsa. In India, ever since the great Shankarā wrote his commentary on it, many eminent scholars of the vedanta philosophy have given their interpretations of this exemplary text.
It is not the ancient Indian thinkers alone, but many leaders of modern times had also taken it as a text for expounding their noblest thoughts. Many books such as Tilak's Gītā Rahasya, Aurobindo's Essays on Gītā and Mahatma Gandhi's Anāsakti Yoga show the continued preference and admiration for Gītā over centuries.
The tremendous appeal of The Gītā is because it deals with practical problems of Life, and contains lessons that we can follow to resolve our day to day conflicts. This could be the reason why there are so many links to the Bhagavad Gītā that are available in the internet also.
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
05:43 AM ET (US)
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sarvopanishhado gāvo dogdhā gopālanandanaH pārtho vatsaH sudhīrbhoktā dugdhaM gītāmR^itaM mahat.h
The Upanishads are the cows and Lord Krishna is the milker. Arjuna is the calf, all pure minded people are the consumers and the ambrosial Gita is the delicious milk. "
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bhattathiri
06-10-2004
05:39 AM ET (US)
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%\obeylines
#indian
\centerline{\hugedvng .. pitR^i tarpaNam.h ..}
##\centerline{(Offering water and sesame seed libations to deceased ancestors)}\bigskip\hrule
%%
On 1st of October 1997 is the end of PitRipakshha. It is also known as the mahalaya amavasya. Pitra paksha is the 15 days of dark half of the month of
bhaadrapada (normally in september). These 15 days are allotted to our departed ancestors. Water libations with black sesame (with kusha grass if available)
is offered to each of the departed soul.
TarpaNa (offering of water) is done by sitting facing South (direction), holding a pinch of black sesame seeds (if available) on the right palm, pour water
on them and let the water flow in the space between the thumb and the fore finger of right hand into a tray or plate (tilt the right hand palm towards
right so that the water flows out, wetting the sesame seeds, thru the space between thumb and forefinger)
1. tarpaNam is offered by eldest surviving member or one whose father has died; female can give tarpaNam.
2. The relationship given below is that of the deceased and not living ones.
3. After bath and usual puja for Gods, sit facing south.
4. Items required are, a few teaspoonful of black sesame seeds, water or thirtha, with milk or flowers gandha offered to lord, kusha grass if available.
5. Hold all items in right palm and start pouring water from left hand on to right palm to allow water to flow thru right palm, between right thumb and right forefinger.
6. The number of times at the end of the mantra shows the number of times the mantra to be chanted and number of times the libation to be poured.
7. Where wife is alive, avoid using the word 'sapatniikam'. Similarly when the husband is alive, avoid using the word 'sabhartRikaam'.
Example: ##
asmat.h pitaraH ## say father's 1st name ## sharmaaNam.h ## say the gotra if known, otherwise say vatsa ## gotrotpannam.h vasu ruupam.h svadhaanam.h tarpayaami ||
##Let water flow once. Offer water three times to father chanting the mantra fully each time.##
asmat.h pitaram.h ## father's name ## sharmaaNaM, ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h pitaamaham.h ## father's father's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h rudraruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h prapitaamaham.h ## father's grandfather's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h aadityaruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h maataram.h ## mother's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h pitaamahiim.h ## father's mother's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h rudraruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h prapitaamahiim.h ## father's father's mother's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h aadityaruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h saapatnajananiim.h ## father's 2nd wife's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h maataamaham.h ## mother's father's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h maatR^i pitaamaham.h ## mother's father's father's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h rudraruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h maatR^iprapitaamaham.h ## father's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h patniim.h ## wife's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h sutam.h sapatniikam.h ## son's, brother's son's, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupaM svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h bhraataram.h sapatniikam.h ## brother's name, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupaM svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 2 times##
asmat.h pitR^ivyam.h sapatniikam.h ## father's brother's name and his wife ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupaM svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h maatulam.h ## mother's brother's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h duhitram.h sabhartR^ikaam.h ## daughter, her husband'name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h bhaginiim.h ## sister's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 2 times##
asmat.h dauhitram.h sapatniikam.h ## daughter's son, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h duhitriim.h sabhartR^ikaam.h ## daughter's daughter, her husband's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h bhaagineyam.h sapatniikam.h ## sister's son, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h pitR^ishhvasaarom.h sabhatR^ikaam.h ## father's sister, her husband's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h maatR^ishhwasaarom.h sabhatR^ikaam.h ## mother's sister, her husband's name ## daam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotraam.h vasuruupaam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h shwashuram.h sapatniikam.h ## father in law and mother in law's names ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h syaalakam.h sapatniikam.h ## wife's brother, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h bhaavukam.h sapatniikam.h ## sister's husband, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
asmat.h gurum.h sapatniikam.h ## teacher, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h aachaaryam.h sapatniikam.h ## family priest, teacher his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupaM svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 3 times##
asmat.h swaaminam.h sapatniikam.h ## patron, employer, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 2 times##
asmat.h sakhaayam.h sapatniikam.h ## friend, his wife's name ## sharmaaNam.h ## name of the gotra ## gotram.h vasuruupam.h svadhaanastarpayaami || ## 1 time##
sa.nkshepa tarpaNaM
aabrahma stambha paryantam.h devarshhi pitR^i maanavaaH | tR^ipyantu pitaraH sarve maatR^imaataamahaadayaH ||
atiita kulakoTinaam.h sapta dwiipa nivaasinaam.h | aabrahma bhuvanaa llokaad.h idamastu tilodakam.h (kushodakam.h) || ## offer libation ##
ye ke chasmat.h kule jaata aputraa gotriNo mR^itaaH | te gR^ihNNantu mayaa dattam.h suutra nishhpiiDanodakam.h || ## offer libation ##
madhye mantra tantra svara varNa nyuunAtirikta lopa doshha prAyashchittArthaM achyutaanantagovi.nda naamatraya mahAmantra japaM karishhye ||
OM achyutaaya namaH | OM ana.ntaaya namaH | OM govi.ndaaya namaH | ##3 times##
achyutaana.ntagovindebhyo namaH |
kaayena vaachaa manasendriyervaa budhyaatmanaa vaa prakR^ite svabhaavaat.h |
karomi yad yad sakalam.h parasmai naaraayaNaa yeti samarpayaami ||
anena pitR^i tarpaNena bhagavaan.h shrii kR^ishhNa priiyataam.h | priito bhavatu ||
|| shrii kR^ishhNaarpaNamastu ||
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/8175/pitra.txt
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