O.K. Suresh, so you're a genius with languages! :) :) Thanks for the link.

Parti baba has said many times that he has to clean up India before taking care of the rest of the world. But India still has so many problems with poverty, pollution and political corruption....despite its great spiritual contribution to the world.

Ref #1604
Yo, Anthony....Your namesake is an illustrious personage. You could not escape your destiny of helping to bring the false god into the light of day!

Suresh Re 1606
Quite a gift to speak all those dialects. I wish my gift for languages was anywhere near as good.

But just to point out again please do not get off topic too much. I am sorry to seem so tough about this, especially as your posts are so lovely and informative.

Also please be careful about any links posted. We do not want to lead ex devotees who may be feeling a little lost and vulnerable, to another group. Everyone needs time to stand and regroup their thinking and their life. When the pain is gone and the thoughts are clearer, is the time to approach new things.

Just to point out in your post 1606 there is really only one part that is part of the discussion here. ........."I wonder often,20 October 1940,Parthi Baba declared his avatarhood to the public,yet he could not prevent the Nation being partioned by the British,nor could he stop the Bloodbath that took place in Bengal prior to partition."

Terrie
I have done so very little to help. I wanted to shout the truth about him long ago, from the mountain tops (actually when I first saw his picture I knew) - but certainly later on when I 'met' him - but because my understanding of him is not a view easily understood by others, there was no way to speak it. I always knew it would take devotees to speak out with the truth, in order to have it acccepted. No one else would be listened to.

The real players are those like Said, Ashfin, Glen, Tony, Baileys, and all the others who are doing such a lot including the people that put in all the work on websites.

By the way, I have reading some of the accounts up on the sunrise website (Kyra, Bettina Woolard, Sharon) and have gained more understanding of the incredible pain of the devotees leaving him. I thought I was aware of the scale of anguish they must go through, but I see it is greater than I thought. I had thought most of the difficulty would be in trying to get out of his energy field. I knew people would also have to contend with the betrayal, feeling stupid, leaving a supportive group with a common bond, losing many friends, losing the physical face of God, the fear that maybe you really are leaving God and being damned forever, and so on. But from these reports, I gained more of an understanding of the intense pain you (ex devotees) must go through. It must be its own hell. And it must be gone through. If someone could wave a magic wand it would not help. For out of it, will surely come a greater strength.

putaipandit re 1604
Thank you for your post. It is very revelant.
I agree with almost everything you have quoted. Some wise words in there. My greatest tool in the expose of sb, is that I love him. ( ......"Love is the vital element of profound knowledge, intuitive knowledge.)

Yes, this is the answer - and has always been my intention and goal in the expose of sb. Bring light to that which is hidden and thus render it impotent, i.e. make known sb's true actions and thus remove his power and render him useless. ...... (Light drives out darkness. ....This simple truth is the practical key to the problem .. A demon perceived, i.e. on whom the light of consciousness is thrown, is already a demon rendered impotent.


This bit I both agree and disagree with. (.....The world of evil is a chaotic world - at least, such as it presents itself to the observer. One ought not to enter this jungle if one does not want to lose one's way there; one should be an observer from outside…"

In my understanding, it would be more accurate if it said ........The world of evil is a chaotic world - at least, such as it presents itself to MOST observers. One ought not to enter this jungle if ONE DOES NOT COMPREHEND ITS PATTERNS, IN CASE one LOSES one's way there. THEN, one should be an observer from outside…"

Hi Questor - ess
Thank you also for your presence here.

Don't forget everyone, the new board opens tomorrow
http://www.quicktopic.com/8/H/qYarJBpGLW7G6

This board will stay up, although it will be non-usable.

Anthony, you said:"I thought I was aware of the scale of anguish they must go through, but I see it is greater than I thought. I had thought most of the difficulty would be in trying to get out of his energy field. I knew people would also have to contend with the betrayal, feeling stupid, leaving a supportive group with a common bond, losing many friends, losing the physical face of God, the fear that maybe you really are leaving God and being damned forever, and so on."
How does one even begin to get out of his energy field after 10, 15 0r 20 years? It's frightening, the task ahead!Where does one even begin, after placing ones trust entirely on one person in this entire world and thinking of him as God? It is scary, to say the least.

Questor
Re putaipandit post 1604). I personally don't agree with you that the message was just saying "Life is a struggle between the forces of dark and light, good and evil. "
I found much more in that post. Also he was quoting someone else. And, although personally I enjoy a simple way of expressing things, I do understand that we are all different. Some people need things expressed in a way they can accept more readily. Some people need a perfect technical understanding, others an intellectual approach, some pure simplicity. Some people don't need words at all and experience truth through the energy of something.

Aura re 1618
You have made a good point and I have been thinking for some time that more needs to go up on a website about how ex devotees can handle leaving. I have asked on odd occasions for people to submit their stories of how they have managed with this, but it hasn't produced much. Pity, as I think it would really help. It is a major area to assist with.

There was a thing up on Keenan's website about using universal law to do it. I gave it to some ex's and they found it extremely effective. I have a copy of it still from that board. I will send it to the Sunrise website and see if they want to put it up. I hadn't sent it before, because it is a bit unusual. But if it works, what the heck!

Perhaps people don't feel they have much to contribute on this, but every tiny bit will help. I recall on the board at Keenan's time, a chap called Peter put a great handling technique up. It wasn't related to another guru or religion. I agree that we do need to be careful we don't lead people into another cult's techniques. However, surely things like visualising flooding one's aura with light can't be deemed 'cultish.'

Possibly the first thing is to realise is the action of leaving is not bad in any way. People are leaving a physical identity and going straight to God/Source/Creator instead. A true God would naturally always be in agreement with going direct to Source/God/Creator. Even if God happened to be incarnated, from 'his' point of view there would be no difference whatsoever is making our divine connection in a straight line to the source of creation- instead of via an incarnated 'source of creation.'

We need to take our power back and take responsibility for our own lives -from the perspective of being part of the Creator consciousness and make a pure universal connection again to the divine source of the universe - however each person sees that.

Early on, while the whole thing is being processed and people are trying to get out of his energy, I think it is a good idea to realise there is an energy link to him via the use of his name, ash, books and picture. Personally, I would suggest getting rid of the lot and not to just put it in a drawer. And don't use his name. Find another name, preferably not giving him any reverence or power, if you have to discuss him. And while discussing him, stay detached and don't make any connection to him.
This is not for anyone to have fear of him, for truly he is nothing - unless he can incite the fear of the wrath of God into you. Light is senior to everything. With a pure intention of light in your heart, he is as an ant underfoot. Totally powerless. NOTHING IS STRONGER THAN LIGHT and in that light, we are invincible.

Saishoot.
We have no doubt whatsover that sb is extremely rich and being given tons of money all the time by the rich devotees he has control over.